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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby dudester » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:25 pm

Dignan wrote:
tome wrote:
rayiner wrote:NU blowing it's load early this cycle? Or just not even trying to steal 174/3.6's away from CCN?


It seems a little like the people with those sort of scores who did not get $$s are two-time LSAT takers. Maybe that factors in at this stage?

Well, I'm hoping that NU tries to steal me away from CLS. It would be hard for me to turn down NU w/$$$ for CLS at sticker. Until reading about scribelaw's disappointing non-offer, I was confident that I'd get something.

I have two LSAT scores--my first score is 13 points lower than my first--so we'll see what happens.


I smell a new thread a la "zOMG, I got 120k from Cornell" coming.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby rayiner » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:27 pm

I wouldn't worry about it until things have settled down and deposits are due. This is a weird cycle and with the recession I'd imagine that schools are unsure what the yield on their scholarships will be. That could be causing them to be more judicious about how much they hand out early in the cycle before they get a better idea of who is going to accept their offers.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:30 pm

dudester wrote:
Dignan wrote:
tome wrote:
rayiner wrote:NU blowing it's load early this cycle? Or just not even trying to steal 174/3.6's away from CCN?


It seems a little like the people with those sort of scores who did not get $$s are two-time LSAT takers. Maybe that factors in at this stage?

Well, I'm hoping that NU tries to steal me away from CLS. It would be hard for me to turn down NU w/$$$ for CLS at sticker. Until reading about scribelaw's disappointing non-offer, I was confident that I'd get something.

I have two LSAT scores--my first score is 13 points lower than my first--so we'll see what happens.


I smell a new thread a la "zOMG, I got 120k from Cornell" coming.

haha. I think the last thing we need is for me to start another one of those. (On topic, a couple of seemingly knowledgeable law students who responded to me in that thread via PM told me that, while they would choose CLS at sticker over Cornell w/120K, they would strongly consider NU w/$$$ over CLS.)

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:06 pm

At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:18 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

I'm a little confused about how they're proceeding. Yesterday, several people got scholly offers. Today, several people got the "we're out of money" email. But aren't there a lot of us left who have yet to receive either email?

I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:21 pm

Dignan wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

I'm a little confused about how they're proceeding. Yesterday, several people got scholly offers. Today, several people got the "we're out of money" email. But aren't there a lot of us left who have yet to receive either email?

I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I don't totally get it either. But for the time being, I'm going to delude myself into the believing that there's a small chance they'll give me money. lolyeahright

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby D-hops » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:23 pm

Dignan wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

I'm a little confused about how they're proceeding. Yesterday, several people got scholly offers. Today, several people got the "we're out of money" email. But aren't there a lot of us left who have yet to receive either email?

I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I wish that were the case but I have a feeling it is:

Group A - Have some money!
Group B - We're out of money but if someone from Group A says they're going elsewhere you may get some money
Group C - $73,000 in loans - enjoy...

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:32 pm

D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I wish that were the case but I have a feeling it is:

Group A - Have some money!
Group B - We're out of money but if someone from Group A says they're going elsewhere you may get some money
Group C - $73,000 in loans - enjoy...

You might be right. Looking at LSN, though, there sure seem to be a lot fewer offers for 2010 than there were for 2009. This might be a case of people not updating their profiles yet, but I suspect that we're going to see at least a few more offers.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby mayosmith » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:33 pm

D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

I'm a little confused about how they're proceeding. Yesterday, several people got scholly offers. Today, several people got the "we're out of money" email. But aren't there a lot of us left who have yet to receive either email?

I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I wish that were the case but I have a feeling it is:

Group A - Have some money!
Group B - We're out of money but if someone from Group A says they're going elsewhere you may get some money
Group C - $73,000 in loans - enjoy...

Wait, only $73,000?

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby D-hops » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:34 pm

mayosmith wrote:
D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

I'm a little confused about how they're proceeding. Yesterday, several people got scholly offers. Today, several people got the "we're out of money" email. But aren't there a lot of us left who have yet to receive either email?

I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I wish that were the case but I have a feeling it is:

Group A - Have some money!
Group B - We're out of money but if someone from Group A says they're going elsewhere you may get some money
Group C - $73,000 in loans - enjoy...

Wait, only $73,000?


Per year

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby D-hops » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:36 pm

Dignan wrote:
D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I wish that were the case but I have a feeling it is:

Group A - Have some money!
Group B - We're out of money but if someone from Group A says they're going elsewhere you may get some money
Group C - $73,000 in loans - enjoy...

You might be right. Looking at LSN, though, there sure seem to be a lot fewer offers for 2010 than there were for 2009. This might be a case of people not updating their profiles yet, but I suspect that we're going to see at least a few more offers.


Right, but couldn't that also be multiple people getting offered the same $$$? So, once someone says "I'm not coming even with the money," NU can offer that money to someone else and they now both show $$$ on LSN.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:44 pm

D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:At least I was one of the people who actually go the "sorry we ran out of money" email?

I'm a little confused about how they're proceeding. Yesterday, several people got scholly offers. Today, several people got the "we're out of money" email. But aren't there a lot of us left who have yet to receive either email?

I wonder if NU informs admits about scholarships in the same way that they inform applicants of acceptances--i.e., alternating small batches of acceptances with batches of denials.


I wish that were the case but I have a feeling it is:

Group A - Have some money!
Group B - We're out of money but if someone from Group A says they're going elsewhere you may get some money
Group C - $73,000 in loans - enjoy...



This would actually make me happy. Although I'm sure I won't get anything from them. haha

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:45 pm

D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:sure seem to be a lot fewer offers for 2010 than there were for 2009. This might be a case of people not updating their profiles yet, but I suspect that we're going to see at least a few more offers.


Right, but couldn't that also be multiple people getting offered the same $$$? So, once someone says "I'm not coming even with the money," NU can offer that money to someone else and they now both show $$$ on LSN.

It's possible--though, as I understand things, most law schools factor in yield rate when they make their offers. In other words, the offering school knows that many applicants will turn down the scholarship money and attend other schools, and so the school offers much more money than it has in its scholarship budget. In the event that the yield rate is worse than projected, then the school will have money left over to offer to other candidates. But if the yield rate is better or the same as projected, then there is no money left over and no second round of offers.

I know that most schools proceed like I described above, but it's possible that NU is different. It's also possible, as was suggested earlier today, that NU is being extra conservative because of uncertainty about this year's cycle. But I don't know if there was a significant second wave of offers last year, and I'm not sure if there will be one this year.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby D-hops » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:48 pm

Dignan wrote:
D-hops wrote:
Dignan wrote:sure seem to be a lot fewer offers for 2010 than there were for 2009. This might be a case of people not updating their profiles yet, but I suspect that we're going to see at least a few more offers.


Right, but couldn't that also be multiple people getting offered the same $$$? So, once someone says "I'm not coming even with the money," NU can offer that money to someone else and they now both show $$$ on LSN.

It's possible--though, as I understand things, most law schools factor in yield rate when they make their offers. In other words, the offering school knows that many applicants will turn down the scholarship money and attend other schools, and so the school offers much more money than it has in its scholarship budget. In the event that the yield rate is worse than projected, then the school will have money left over to offer to other candidates. But if the yield rate is better or the same as projected, then there is no money left over and no second round of offers.

I know that most schools proceed like I described above, but it's possible that NU is different. It's also possible, as was suggested earlier today, that NU is being extra conservative because of uncertainty about this year's cycle. But I wouldn't be sure that there was a significant second wave of offers last year, or that there will be one this year.


Don't get me wrong - I hope you're right. I am just being really pessimistic because I didn't get an email today.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:53 pm

D-hops wrote:Don't get me wrong - I hope you're right. I am just being really pessimistic because I didn't get an email today.

I understand. I'm a big fan of hopeless pessimism--it lowers expectations and thus helps blunt the impact of disappointing news. :)

Not to kill your pessimism high (or is it low?), but at least one poster in the Northwestern 2010 thread reported getting a scholarship offer by email today, which means that there have been separate rounds of scholarship emails, and that means that NU did not send out all of its offers in one batch. This does not, of course, guarantee that there will be more batches this week, but it does give one reason to hope.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby scribelaw » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:11 pm

Dignan wrote:
D-hops wrote:Don't get me wrong - I hope you're right. I am just being really pessimistic because I didn't get an email today.

I understand. I'm a big fan of hopeless pessimism--it lowers expectations and thus helps blunt the impact of disappointing news. :)

Not to kill your pessimism high (or is it low?), but at least one poster in the Northwestern 2010 thread reported getting a scholarship offer by email today, which means that there have been separate rounds of scholarship emails, and that means that NU did not send out all of its offers in one batch. This does not, of course, guarantee that there will be more batches this week, but it does give one reason to hope.


FWIW, the e-mail I got explicity said they were out of money.

Paragraph one: "We are writing to inform you that we have currently allocated and exhausted all available scholarship and grant funding for this year. Scholarships and financial aid is a tremendously difficult matter. Every year, we have many more deserving students than we have funds available. This year is no exception."

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby scribelaw » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:16 pm

There are only 11 people on LSN who reported offers this week. That doesn't include people who got the offers a few weeks ago for full tuition if they delay a year.

That seems really low, even if they are playing it conservative. There are a few hundred or so acceptances on LSN. Even if you count the people who got the full-ride-if-you-defer offer, it looks like far less than 10 percent are reporting scholly money. Can't be right.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby NancyBotwin » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:17 pm

scribelaw wrote: it looks like far less than 10 percent are [strike]reporting[/strike]scholly money. Can't be right.

That's the key word there. Considering a lot of the $$ just went out today, I'm sure more people will report on LSN over the next few days.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:01 pm

scribelaw wrote:
FWIW, the e-mail I got explicity said they were out of money.

Paragraph one: "We are writing to inform you that we have currently allocated and exhausted all available scholarship and grant funding for this year. Scholarships and financial aid is a tremendously difficult matter. Every year, we have many more deserving students than we have funds available. This year is no exception."

I don't doubt that they've allocated and exhausted all available scholarship and grant funding. The open question here is whether they have informed all the recipients yet, or whether they are taking a few days to prepare and distribute the award notices. I guess we'll find out over the next few days.
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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby scribelaw » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:04 pm

Dignan wrote:
scribelaw wrote:
FWIW, the e-mail I got explicity said they were out of money.

Paragraph one: "We are writing to inform you that we have currently allocated and exhausted all available scholarship and grant funding for this year. Scholarships and financial aid is a tremendously difficult matter. Every year, we have many more deserving students than we have funds available. This year is no exception."

I don't doubt that they've allocated and exhausted all available scholarship and grant funding. The open question here is whether they have informed all the recipients yet, or whether they are taking a few days to prepare and distribute the award notices. I guess we'll find out over the next week.


Good point.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby 09042014 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:45 pm

I didn't get any email today. I didn't, and don't expect money.

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Corsair » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:52 am

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby Dignan » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:15 am

Corsair wrote:If it matters, the University (law school included) like most universities, is having cutbacks due to reduced budgets. I know that there were pay freezes (and some cuts) for faculty and some staff. It wouldn't surprise me if there were cuts in the number of scholarships available.

Good point. Most university endowments have shrunk over the last couple of years; it's certainly possible that schools will respond by cutting scholarship budgets (and other services that benefit students).

On an optimistic note, it took NU five business days to e-mail out all the awards last year. Here is last year's thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49069&start=1250

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby scribelaw » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:58 am

Corsair wrote:If it matters, the University (law school included) like most universities, is having cutbacks due to reduced budgets. I know that there were pay freezes (and some cuts) for faculty and some staff. It wouldn't surprise me if there were cuts in the number of scholarships available.


This may be true, but it'd be extremely risky to cut back on scholarships. Other schools don't seem to be doing so, and if they don't offer $$, they're going to lose a lot of strong candidates who might have otherwise considered NU, no?

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Re: Northwestern Law Class of 2013

Postby dudester » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:52 am

Allocated and exhausted ‡ all scholarship recipients have been selected ‡ all recipients have been notified




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