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I could be wrong, but that looks like a worksheet to prepare you to be able to fill out the actual form?

oneforship wrote:I could be wrong, but that looks like a worksheet to prepare you to be able to fill out the actual form?

You are correct. These were the instructions I were given. You could email them to see if they want you to do the same. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but they are the ones who will potentially give me monies so I will do whatever they want.

Why does this fin aid stuff just keep getting more and more complicated (and in weird ways)?!

Thanks to everyone who's sharing info that's helping the rest of us navigate this convoluted process...

Doritos wrote:

oneforship wrote:

Doritos wrote:FYI guys its not as easy as editing your FAFSA form. The FinAid office told me I had to fill out the parental section on a Pre-Application Form and send that ish in. So I was told to fill out the extra form as well as edit my FAFSA

What is a Pre-Application form, and why is it not listed under "Forms" on their finaid website?

It's this form...http://www.law.virginia.edu/pdf/admissi ... d_1011.pdf

They wanted me to fill out the parental section of it

I don't have to fill out the parental section, but the questions that I'm asked on the form do not match up with the worksheet. It asked me for balances for assets (accounts, house, etc.) but nothing about taxes. Is anyone else seeing the same thing? I guess I should call them.

Listen to Papa Kohinoor. Buy renter's insurance.

pilotgal wrote:

Doritos wrote:

oneforship wrote:

Doritos wrote:FYI guys its not as easy as editing your FAFSA form. The FinAid office told me I had to fill out the parental section on a Pre-Application Form and send that ish in. So I was told to fill out the extra form as well as edit my FAFSA

What is a Pre-Application form, and why is it not listed under "Forms" on their finaid website?

It's this form...http://www.law.virginia.edu/pdf/admissi ... d_1011.pdf

They wanted me to fill out the parental section of it

I don't have to fill out the parental section, but the questions that I'm asked on the form do not match up with the worksheet. It asked me for balances for assets (accounts, house, etc.) but nothing about taxes. Is anyone else seeing the same thing? I guess I should call them.

Yeah they FinAid office told me thats why we need to fill out the parental stuff for the FAFSA. There are things that FAFSA asks that the worksheet does not. I have no idea why it is this way but it seems that they combine all the info from. Here's a section of the email I was sent...

"The problem with your not having provided the parental data on the FAFSA is that some data on the FAFSA is specific to that form and is not asked on our institutional form. We did not want to duplicate the request for data on both forms. The FAFSA will collect certain data elements needed whereas our institutional application would collect other information needed. What you will now need to do is print out the pre-application worksheet and complete the parental sections on that document and send it directly to our office. When you are completing the worksheet, you will need to provide data on items that you are not providing directly on our institutional form. One most notable item will be your parents income. You will not find a place on our institutional form for that specific information as this item was specific to the FAFSA form. You should also update your FAFSA with the parental data so a revised analysis may be sent to us. Pending our receipt of the revised FAFSA, we would utilize the combined efforts of our institutional form, the pre-application worksheet and the FAFSA data that we receive prior to our receipt of the revised FAFSA document for our financial aid purposes."

hth my UVa friends...

Kohinoor wrote:Listen to Papa Kohinoor. Buy renter's insurance.

What happened? Theft? Snow begin to melt and flood your place?

Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

This would make a good hypo for some aspiring C/O 2013 gunners.

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

From the website...

"Early Decision applicants will be notified of their decision no later than 15 days after all the following criteria have been met: the application for admission is complete, the early decision agreement has been received and residency status has been determined."

When were all these criteria met?

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

What's a priority WL? Were there conditions for him accepting a place on it? If there were no strings attached, I'd say he is no longer bound since they gave him a decision w/in the 15 day timeline and it was a WL.

D Brooks wrote:

Kohinoor wrote:Listen to Papa Kohinoor. Buy renter's insurance.

What happened? Theft? Snow begin to melt and flood your place?

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

Hmm. This is kinda cool.

Early Decision applicants will be notified of their decision no later than 15 days after all the following criteria are met: the
application for admission is complete, the early decision agreement has been received and residency status has been determined.
Early Decision applicants who are waitlisted are free to maintain applications for admission to other law schools and to initiate new
applications, and are not bound to enroll at the University of Virginia if offered admission later in the admissions season as part of
the regular decision process.

Your friend was notified of his decision within the 15 days. UVa fulfilled that obligation. Your friend was waitlisted. However, UVA then admitted him and explicitly did so under the ED contract. Thus, the underlined part doesn't come into play. Nothing in the contract says that an initial decision rendered by UVA releases the applicant from the ED contract. Is my interpretation off?

Also,

Early Decision applicants
commit to enroll at the University of Virginia School of Law if admitted under this option.

could compel an admitted student to enroll even if he simply didn't want to attend any law school.

Kohinoor wrote:

D Brooks wrote:

Kohinoor wrote:Listen to Papa Kohinoor. Buy renter's insurance.

What happened? Theft? Snow begin to melt and flood your place?

Really? How bad was it?

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

The contract says the applicant is not bound if they are waitlisted and offered admission at a later date.

Stringer Bell wrote:

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

The contract says the applicant is not bound if they are waitlisted and offered admission at a later date.

Not quite. It says that they are not bound if they are waitlisted and then offered admission under the regular decision process. Here, UVA offered him admission under the ED process according to our hypo.

D Brooks wrote:

Kohinoor wrote:

D Brooks wrote:

Kohinoor wrote:Listen to Papa Kohinoor. Buy renter's insurance.

What happened? Theft? Snow begin to melt and flood your place?

Really? How bad was it?

Not my house. Bad apparently.

Dunno...I've never really been a fan of insurance. It's pretty much always expected value negative, and only worth taking if you're really worried about worst case scenarios.

Kohinoor wrote:

Stringer Bell wrote:

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

The contract says the applicant is not bound if they are waitlisted and offered admission at a later date.

Not quite. It says that they are not bound if they are waitlisted and then offered admission under the regular decision process. Here, UVA offered him admission under the ED process according to our hypo.

You're right. I didn't finish reading that sentence. Ok, I know I'm getting gunneresque with this hypo, but it looks like they could admit someone under the ED contract in July if they wanted to if they could say they were "determining residency" for three months. But wouldn't this only apply to someone who was a Va resident? I mean, if you selected that you were not a Va resident, what is there to determine? In this case wouldn't the 15 days from submitting the application be sufficient to negate the contract?

Doritos wrote: From the website...
"Early Decision applicants will be notified of their decision no later than 15 days after all the following criteria have been met: the application for admission is complete, the early decision agreement has been received and residency status has been determined."
When were all these criteria met?

He was complete. All criteria had been met. He was admitted some 25 days after completed ED application. He was an out-of-state applicant.

D Brooks wrote:
What's a priority WL? Were there conditions for him accepting a place on it? If there were no strings attached, I'd say he is no longer bound since they gave him a decision w/in the 15 day timeline and it was a WL.

Dean called him, told him LSAT was a little lower but that his app was solid. Told him to retake LSAT in December and that UVa would render a decision within 24 hours of retake. He did not retake. UVa called and admitted him anyway and says he is bound by ED.

It was understood that the condition for being admitted was a higher score on the LSAT.

Status check says he was admitted under ED and must withdraw all other applications.

Does he have a higher ranked offer or $$ from a peer?

What was his LSAT? I assume 167-169?

slider wrote:Dean called him, told him LSAT was a little lower but that his app was solid. Told him to retake LSAT in December and that UVa would render a decision within 24 hours of retake. He did not retake. UVa called and admitted him anyway and says he is bound by ED.

It was understood that the condition for being admitted was a higher score on the LSAT.

Status check says he was admitted under ED and must withdraw all other applications.

Sounds like he mutually agreed to an extension of the ED contract.

Stringer Bell wrote:

Kohinoor wrote:

Stringer Bell wrote:

slider wrote:Off Topic...

I have this friend (I really do, this is not a code for 'me') who applied to UVa ED before the deadline was extended. He was priority waitlisted pending an LSAT retake. But he decided not to retake. He kept his original score and was contacted by UVA a few days later that he was admitted under the ED contract (perhaps 25 days after submitting ED). UVa exceeded the 15 day promise (can we call it a promise?).

Long story short. Is this guy bound by the ED contract?

Edit: UVa says ED contract still applies.

The contract says the applicant is not bound if they are waitlisted and offered admission at a later date.

Not quite. It says that they are not bound if they are waitlisted and then offered admission under the regular decision process. Here, UVA offered him admission under the ED process according to our hypo.

You're right. I didn't finish reading that sentence. Ok, I know I'm getting gunneresque with this hypo, but it looks like they could admit someone under the ED contract in July if they wanted to if they could say they were "determining residency" for three months. But wouldn't this only apply to someone who was a Va resident? I mean, if you selected that you were not a Va resident, what is there to determine? In this case wouldn't the 15 days from submitting the application be sufficient to negate the contract?

They don't even appear to need to use that loophole. Nothing in the writing stops then from waitlisting you from the ED in Jan. then accepting you under the ED in June. Of course, they don't exercise that option.

Kohinoor wrote:They don't even appear to need to use that loophole. Nothing in the writing stops then from waitlisting you from the ED in Jan. then accepting you under the ED in June. Of course, they don't exercise that option.

I guess you are right. He was promised a decision in 15 days and got one (priority waitlist pending Dec LSAT).

dailygrind wrote:Dunno...I've never really been a fan of insurance. It's pretty much always expected value negative, and only worth taking if you're really worried about worst case scenarios.

Rental insurance is really cheap, and probably worth it. Also required by some rental associations.