thesealocust wrote: Kohinoor wrote:
D Brooks wrote:The 1Ls at Chicago I talked to made it seem like they had all their apps out on, or shortly after, Dec 1.
OGI =/= NALP deadline. OGI is the interview process that takes place after firms have your grades. There is no way that any school did 1L OGI in December because no students had even taken their exams yet. The firms would have been flying blind. The Dec. 1st deadline is simply the NALP deadline. After December 1st, firms can communicate with the 1Ls.
OGI last year happened before most people had all, and from what I hear before some people had any, grades.
1L job hunting is a mysterious beast. Career Services can't have meetings with 1Ls until November 1st, per NALP rules. NALP employees (firms mostly, but people tend to observe it as custom in the legal industry no matter what) aren't to talk to students until December 1st, which means Dec 1 is sort of the defacto earliest application time - be it to a firm, judge, government job, or public interest work.
Some people get jobs before grades come out, because employers have a connection or are impressed by their undergraduate work thus far. Some employers won't look at an application without grades. Most law students don't hit the Dec 1 deadline - it's right before finals, and so many don't start the application process until after grades come out.
In early February, there's a week of firm interviews for 1Ls. We had 9 firms, each probably taking between 0 and 1 person this year, and 368 1Ls. You do the math on how important 1L OGI was in most people's employment plans
The following week (would have been Monday if it weren't for the SNOWPOCALYPSE) public interest groups show up to do interviews. I think at least some 2Ls and 3Ls can do that as well, but I may be wrong.
Concurrent with all of this are applications for research positions. They have the reputation of being the summer job of last resort. I know at least one professor mentioned explicitly that 'students who can get better jobs tend to do so', but that's a bit too general. Especially with famous / well known profs, those jobs can be competitive too. There's no formal process - some profs advertise on a board, some profs ask the A students in their class, some profs ask other profs for recommendations, some profs just wait until somebody approaches them. Plenty of professors at UVA never teach 1Ls, and 2Ls and 3Ls don't apply for summer RA positions, so there tends to be plenty to go around.
The prime directive is: Do something law related during your 1L summer, or else it will be a black mark when you seek 2L summer / permanent employment. There are of course exceptions, but in the aggregate it's a bad idea to decide to spend the summer working as a camp counselor. What you actually do is of little importance for your future prospects, there's not a job that will significantly boost your chances of a 2L gig or permanent employment. Firm jobs can pay truckloads of money, and so are obviously attractive for that reason, but as you can tell from the chart the competition is over a tiny handful of jobs. Most people who get them head back to a tiny home market, from what it seems.