dp73816 wrote: Joe Biden wrote:
This thread has lost its mind today...first Biden wrote a novel (which is much appreciated btw!), and then some guy with an obvious agenda came in, spewing gloom & doom to the tune of NWA's "Straight Outta Compton"; I think the chip on the guys shoulder can be seen from space. And then, there are massive edits all over the place - why?
I miss the days when everyone was actually excited to go to Rutgers (ahemm...three days ago)...damn you US News...
The legal market is in the toilet, there is no doubt about it. However, people are still getting jobs. The world has not come to an end. The 150k/year starting jobs are still there, but they are very hard to get. If your goal was to make 150k/year straight out of law school it is still possible, but you better be in the top 5-10% of the class at RU-Camden. For everyone else, there are still jobs. Firms are still hiring. It isn't that there are no jobs, it is that people are not making what they had hoped for. You may have to tough it out in a 50-60k/year job for a few years, but it is not the end of the world. Just be grateful you have the chance to make that, because the entire economy tanked and people without advanced degrees are unemployed.
Lol I planned on making that (or below) the first few years anyways...because you cant buy the experience a clerkship or position as a public defender affords. I'm glad there is a reasonable voice on this website to counter-balance the BS some guy with too much time on his hands spews.
The biggest thing people have had to come to grips with is that they are not going to make 170k their first year out. There are still plenty of jobs that pay a lot of money for lawyers with experience, i.e. BigLaw, General Counsel, etc. If that is what someone aspires too, there are plenty of Rutgers-Camden alumni who have made a lot of money practicing law. If someone's goal is BigLaw, work your ass off, graduate in the top 10% of the class and there are still BigLaw associate positions available for RU-Camden grads. I know several people taking BigLaw positions. BTW - These people really do make $2500/week for 10 weeks over the summer, as summer associates. Those numbers are real, and those positions really do exist.
To be in the top 10% of the class you have to work your ass off. If you do that, there will be BigLaw positions available and that 160k/year dream job will be available. If you are in the top half of your RU-Camden class, you will be able to transfer to a top 50 school if you choose. However, a lot of people are so comfortable by that point they choose not to. I do know a lot of people who did successfully transfer. It is easier to do well at RU-Camden than other schools, because the competition is not cut throat.
Here is my take on BigLaw. If you work your ass off to be in the top 10%, those jobs will be there. You are going to end up working that hard once you take a BigLaw job, so you may as well get used to it now. If you get to law school and decide working 60 hours/week to get those kind of grades is not for you, then you have probably learned a valuable lesson. Just because you choose not to go the BigLaw route, you are not a failure. There are plenty of people who have a passion for the law, but would prefer to work 40-50 hrs/week, have a comfortable life and a comfortable job. If you take a clerk position for a year, you learn a LOT and you are on your way to a stable, 70-80k/year position in house somewhere, where you don't have you kill yourself with insane hours, you make a comfortable living and enjoy what you do.
There are tons of options available. If you attend RU-Camden you will be able to do anything from BigLaw to clerking for a Supreme Court Justice. Law school is what you make of it. Not everyone wants to go the BigLaw route and there is nothing wrong with that. If you graduate from RU-Camden in good standing you will find a decent job. It may take a lot of work to get the job, i.e. tons of applications sent out, a lot of interviews, etc. but people are finding decent jobs. You may not get rich right out of law school, but there are jobs available where you can make a decent living, pay off your loans and fulfill your dreams of practicing law.
I could have gone to several T50 law schools, however, they would have been significantly more money. I am very happy with the decision I made, and I do not regret it one bit. I also had 100% grants offered to T3s. I mean, everything was covered, from tuition, to fees to books. These grants were not scholarships with any kind of strings, they were grants. I do not regret turning those offers down. RU-Camden has a major presence in the New Jersey legal market. A lot of our competitors, like Temple, Villanova, etc. are fighting over Philly jobs, which our alumni get too, but they aren't even looking at the Jersey markets, which we have a major presence in.
The entire economy sucks right now. Getting a law degree is not going to make you less employable than you already are. Working for 60k/year in the public defenders office, taking a clerkship, etc. are not bad things. They beat delivering pizzas because you undergraduate degree is worthless in this economy. A law degree is not a bad investment right now. It would be nice if the legal market were better, but the entire economy sucks right now. By getting a law degree right now, you are buying yourself three more years before entering the job market. Hopefully, in that three years, things get a little bit better, but even if they don't, getting a law degree will not hurt you. I advise anyone looking at Philly law schools to consider RU-Camden, because we have a unique presence in the Jersey markets, plus we are cheaper than some of our private school competitors. These are important things to keep in mind when choosing a law school.
The single most important piece of advice I would give anyone right now is to watch the debt. If you have instate, or a scholarship at RU-Camden, chances are you are able to get out of law school with a lot less debt than if you went elsewhere. If practicing law is your dream, don't get scared off by the people telling you that DOC Review is in your future.