Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby Joe Biden » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:47 pm

jasonac21 wrote:Do you feel safe walking to and from the Victor at night? The nice thing about the PATCO is that it's literally a half block away.

Also, how much do utilities usually run? With cable and internet.


I have heard utilities at the Victor are cheap. My cable and internet, using Comcast, cost $100/month. This is cable for two TVs, one box, premium channels and Internet. I do not know what gas/electric would run at the Victor. The leasing office claims it is cheap, but I don't know if I believe them. I would imagine your heating bill is at least $100 in the winter, but please do not hold me to that, that is just a guess. The Victor does charge you for parking. If you want to park in the lot that is not close to the building it is like $50/month, close to the building is $100/month (these are estimates, I cannot remember the exact numbers, but that is pretty close). Another thing, the Victor does charge for use of their gym. You shouldn't need that though, because the Rutgers gym is right next to you.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby kissy » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:54 pm

wow, i missed a lot :shock:

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby Joe Biden » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:59 pm

GoodToBeTheKing wrote:sounds like I will need to be checking out the Victor lofts, although I really do want to live in the suburbs close to the PATCO.. I am checking out HaddonView next Tuesday (most likely I will walk it to see just how far it is). I will have my car with me when I move so maybe I could drive to the station??? I think there is a shuttle from the apartment complex to the PATCO. I could be wrong on this though.



Questions for Biden (haha I feel like I am a journalist at the White House):

1. Which student organizations are you in?

2. Do you recommend reading any supplements before school starts?

3. Are there lots of apt/house parties or is it mainly bars that Rutgers students meet up at for the night?

4. What type of clerkships do students get after school? One of the big selling points for RU-C is their 40% clerkship rate, second only to Yale yadayadayada. That is all great, and I am really impressed, but what type of courts are these clerkships mainly in? e.g. appellate, federal, or traffic court...? Pretty much, I just want to know if the clerkships are of good quality.


There are definitely bars that law students hang out at. Namely, the Victor Pub or Hanks. People go out to Philly in groups quite a bit. There are also meet and greets, as well as various student organization events throughout the year. For the last two years a couple of popular Philly spots for Rutgers Law Students include Mad River (they will give the law school the upstairs, so it is only law students up there, which can be cool), the Plough & the Stars in Philly, Bleu Martini, G Lounge, the Irish Pub, Lucy's, Vango Lounge and Skybar, etc. These are all popular places for law students.

Ah, the concern is that the clerkships are traffic court, haha. This is understandable. Actually, Rutgers-Camden students get decent clerk ships. For example, one of Justice Thomas' clerks is a Rutgers-Camden graduate. A lot of the really desirable clerk ship positions, i.e. federal court of appeals, are given out to career clerks. Any kind of clerk position with a federal judge is rarely given to someone just graduating from law school. However, I know quite a few people who have been able to extern with federal judges, which is great on a resume. A lot of people get clerk positions at the Superior Court level. People get good clerk positions. I do not know of anyone doing something crappy like traffic court or night court.

One really cool thing is that anyone who wants to do an externship is able to. So, almost everyone does this for credit. There are a lot of great externships given out. Everything from federal court externships (and yes, there are quite a few of these given out), bankruptcy court, family court, appellate division, etc.

When you hear about people getting those great summer associate positions, there are students from Rutgers-Camden who get those jobs too. I know several students working as summer associates at BigLaw firms in Philly, and yes, they are taking home a couple grand a week, for 10 weeks during the summer. Some firms have suspended their summer programs, but then it doesn't matter if you go to Yale or Rutgers, those positions are not available. There are still students from Rutgers-Camden landing summer associate positions in BigLaw and getting offers extended upon graduation.

Almost everyone I know has a summer job either working for a judge, working for a firm, a prosecutor's office, etc. and yes, they area paid.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby Joe Biden » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:03 pm

keg411 wrote:Thanks for the help Joe Biden ( :lol: ). If I choose Camden, this solidifies my choice of the Victor for next year. Would just need to find a roommate. The student life stuff you talked about in your post is really really helpful and is making me more likely to choose Camden :). I AM concerned about the bar passage thing though which is my only hangup at this point. How are the Newark and Seton Hall students able to pass the bar and the Camden students can't???

Also, if you don't want to share you can PM me - what kind of work do you have lined up for this summer? Do your friends have jobs? Or are there a ton of people who are unemployed and struggling?


One reason our bar passage rate suffered is because all of the subjects that are on the bar, i.e. Decedents Estates and Trusts are not mandatory. Some students don't take these classes. It is very difficult to pass the bar if you don't take these classes. Take the subjects that are on the bar, pay attention/do well in those classes, then study for the bar, take a prep class, etc. and you will pass it. Everyone I know who took the bar seriously passed.

Yes, there are people who did not take classes that are on the bar. Those students failed the bar. Maybe that is something the administration has to change, and require these courses. Plus, some people do not study for the bar. The bar is not easy, it takes a lot of work. Our professors prepare us for the bar. If you take the classes that are on the bar, and you study for the bar, you will pass.

The school has taken steps to raise the bar passage rate. They just implemented a new program for students toward the bottom of the class, which works on developing their skills as lawyers. You will see the bar passage rate shoot through the roof over the next couple of years, trust me.

You will have the foundation to pass the bar, if you take the right classes! Pay attention in these classes, then study for the bar and you will pass.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby Joe Biden » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:05 pm

keg411 wrote:
jasonac21 wrote:For internet, I think it's Comcast in the Victor.


Does anyone know if you have a choice or if you have to get Comcast?
Fios >>>>>>> Comcast


I believe you have to get Comcast. I pay $100/month for a cable modem (upgraded speed), cable on two TVs and all of the premium channels +HD. I know you can get it cheaper.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby keg411 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:08 pm

Almost everyone I know has a summer job either working for a judge, working for a firm, a prosecutor's office, etc. and yes, they area paid.


Good to know. And thanks for answers on everything else too :).

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby lawschoolblows » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:15 pm

Just look at what you guys have to look forward to:

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and

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and this place, who comically admit "we don't pay much":

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby kissy » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:23 pm

it's comical that you went out of your way to find those. you should send in your resume :lol:

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby keg411 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:37 pm

Not looking at the posts above. If my own grades/job search in law school fail me... thank god for Nepotism :D.

ETA: That's the guy who went to Seton Hall!!! Hahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:.
Newsflash, everyone knows SHU sucks.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby kissy » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:42 pm

the SHU c/o 2013 thread is all about how SHU is the top-ranked school in the state now.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby ellebee » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:50 pm

Hi, here is a Picasa link to my pictures. I didn't want to img them into this post cuz there are a few. I stopped taking pictures towards the end of Dean's Day because I just got tired (we flew from CA) so no pictures of the build-a-bear or the lunch.

(removed link - i have to move the album over, sorry)

If i get the descriptions wrong, please feel free to comment on those pictures.

Questions about living at the Victor: I'm a female, so do you think the security will escort me back to the apts?
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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby jasonac21 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:03 pm

Hey Joe, thanks for answering all these questions.

So you don't live in the Victor? Where did you live your 1L year?

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby kissy » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:07 pm

ellebee wrote:Hi, here is a Picasa link to my pictures. I didn't want to img them into this post cuz there are a few. I stopped taking pictures towards the end of Dean's Day because I just got tired (we flew from CA) so no pictures of the build-a-bear or the lunch.

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If i get the descriptions wrong, please feel free to comment on those pictures.

Questions about living at the Victor: I'm a female, so do you think the security will escort me back to the apts?

i like the "1/2 a mile away picture"

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby ellebee » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:15 pm

kissy wrote:i like the "1/2 a mile away picture"


I gotta say, the city was pretty crappy opposite waterfront. I actually wanted to take more pictures, but i got a LOT of stares by people hanging out on the street just from driving by. Lots of cops, lots of thug looking people - but hey, they could be nice people, i don't know...

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby keg411 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:19 pm

ellebee wrote:
kissy wrote:i like the "1/2 a mile away picture"


I gotta say, the city was pretty crappy opposite waterfront. I actually wanted to take more pictures, but i got a LOT of stares by people hanging out on the street just from driving by. Lots of cops, lots of thug looking people - but hey, they could be nice people, i don't know...


Well, yeah it's Camden. After the waterfront/law school area... it is what it is.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby bucknell09 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:32 pm

If I choose to live in the Victor, will I most likely have to move in early August?


How big are most of the 1L classes?


Does the school have a list of people looking for roommates? (no offense but I don't really want to find a roommate on TLS)


Also, I noticed that the main floor of the library was impressive, but the other floors were not. Is there enough room to study on the nice floor of the library?


Lastly, is there a student association that organizes weekly bar parties?

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby dp73816 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:38 pm

keg411 wrote:
ellebee wrote:
kissy wrote:i like the "1/2 a mile away picture"


I gotta say, the city was pretty crappy opposite waterfront. I actually wanted to take more pictures, but i got a LOT of stares by people hanging out on the street just from driving by. Lots of cops, lots of thug looking people - but hey, they could be nice people, i don't know...


Well, yeah it's Camden. After the waterfront/law school area... it is what it is.



Not trying to be redundant...but you guys REALLY need to come to the south. We have entire cities that look like that "1/2 mile away" picture. Go to Liberty in Miami or Bankhead in Atlanta...its like a bomb hit. I was expecting a war-zone, the way people described Camden; now, I'm not worried at all.

Now watch me get mugged as soon as I step on campus...

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby keg411 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:49 pm

dp73816 wrote:
keg411 wrote:
ellebee wrote:
kissy wrote:i like the "1/2 a mile away picture"


I gotta say, the city was pretty crappy opposite waterfront. I actually wanted to take more pictures, but i got a LOT of stares by people hanging out on the street just from driving by. Lots of cops, lots of thug looking people - but hey, they could be nice people, i don't know...


Well, yeah it's Camden. After the waterfront/law school area... it is what it is.



Not trying to be redundant...but you guys REALLY need to come to the south. We have entire cities that look like that "1/2 mile away" picture. Go to Liberty in Miami or Bankhead in Atlanta...its like a bomb hit. I was expecting a war-zone, the way people described Camden; now, I'm not worried at all.

Now watch me get mugged as soon as I step on campus...


:lol:

It's not a war zone, but it's a poor city with a ton of gang activity and a high murders-per-capita rate (mostly related to the gang activity).

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby dp73816 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:54 pm

I know, I know...but I think people are hyping it up way too much....scaring some people off.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby GoodToBeTheKing » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:35 pm

kissy wrote:the SHU c/o 2013 thread is all about how SHU is the top-ranked school in the state now.



if i am on moot court I will make it my goal to shove it down their throat

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby GoodToBeTheKing » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:41 pm

Thank you Biden for clearing up the whole clerkship thing. It makes me all more excited to go to Rutgers. Also, sounds like quite a few good places to hang out in Philly! Great to know!

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby lawschoolblows » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:44 pm

Did you guys catch Seton Hall's wikipedia page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =306661799

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby GoodToBeTheKing » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:54 pm

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby dp73816 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:50 am

lawschoolblows wrote:Did you guys catch Seton Hall's wikipedia page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =306661799




doucher - I wish I had that much time on my hands

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Re: Rutgers-Camden Class of 2013

Postby Joe Biden » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:47 am

lawschoolblows wrote:Just look at what you guys have to look forward to:

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and

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and this place, who comically admit "we don't pay much":

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That is a joke. The job market is not what it was two years ago, when I started law school, but it is not this bad. People are still getting summer associate positions, where they are raking in the big bucks. There are still people from Rutgers-Camden landing BigLaw jobs upon graduation. A lot of people are still getting clerk ships. There are a lot of people going to work at mid sized firms.

The cool thing about Rutgers-Camden is that you have access to the BigLaw markets in Philly and NYC. Those firms actively recruit from RU-Camden at OCI. However, there are Jersey firms that are made up primarily of RU-Camden grads. Most of the attorneys in private practice in south Jersey went to RU-Camden, the same is true for many judges. We hold a real monopoly on a huge legal market, which is south Jersey. Employment sucks for every profession right now.

You guys are going to have to work to get a job. You will need to send out a lot of resumes, take advantage of every opportunity you have to network. A lot of resumes is not 20-30. You will need to send out 200 resumes for summer positions. You will need to hit the street and put your name out there. It is not easy, but there are jobs.

There is no way I would even consider going to a school like Villanova or Seton Hall right now. The tuition is far too high. You can live in south Jersey for a lot less than you can live in Philly or NYC and there is a lot less competition for jobs, compared to the NYC, or even DC, markets. The best thing about RU-Camden is that the price is right. You are not leaving with more debt than you can handle. There is going to be inflation in coming years, because of the stimulus bill. The is a great thing for us. If you can get out of school and grind it out for a few years inflation alone will make your debt loan manageable.




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