WUSTL Class of 2013

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby romothesavior » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:51 pm

jonjung710 wrote:hey guys im pretty interested in wustl (im still in undergrad). the school sounds pretty damn amazing!

now, i am aware that st. louis big law firms don't like to hire wustl grads because they think that they will just work for a couple years and get the hell out of stl. I've lived in the los angeles area since the third grade. I moved there from St. Louis, and I REALLY REALLY wanna go back. im sorry, but la sucks ASS. will it be hard for me to secure a big law job in stl because im a "flight-risk?"

kinda off topic, but ive been wondering this for a long time. since stl is a secondary legal market, what are the average starting salaries at big-law firms? and mid-law firms? How high in your class do you have to be in to secure a job in big-law and mid-law? thanks in advance guys!


The key to landing a job in St. Louis is to show interest early and let them know you really want to be in St. Louis. According to Dean Spivey, this is really not just a St. Louis thing... all firms are working on increasing retention to save money, and they want to know you are really committed to the firm for at least a few years.

I'm going to Wash U because St. Louis is my number 1 choice for market. I am going to really shoot for a 1L summer gig in St. Louis (paid firm if I can get it, or unpaid DA's office, PD, in-house... anything to show a committment to the area). When you go through OCI and send cover letters to firms as a 2L, really push the fact that you love St. Louis and you want to be here long term. Personally, I could see myself setting up roots in the city and staying there long term.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby vanstone22 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:59 pm

I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby sibley » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:02 pm

vanstone22 wrote:I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL


the library is beautiful! make sure you go on the 2nd floor of the reading room.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby theantiscalia » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:04 pm

vanstone22 wrote:I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL


Have fun! I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on the Notre Dame vs. WUSTL situation... I talked to WUSTL CSO last week and I have a call with ND soon.

I have this fear of not having a job when I graduate and being forced to live in a crate in East St. Louis. (For those of you that are going to WUSTL... avoid crossing the river at all costs.)

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby vanstone22 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:06 pm

sibley wrote:
vanstone22 wrote:I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL


the library is beautiful! make sure you go on the 2nd floor of the reading room.



What i want is an honest career assessment; everything else is a bonus.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby sibley » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:08 pm

vanstone22 wrote:
sibley wrote:
vanstone22 wrote:I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL


the library is beautiful! make sure you go on the 2nd floor of the reading room.



What i want is an honest career assessment; everything else is a bonus.


the random 3l I ran into (on the computers in the cafe place) had a job lined up in NY, the 2l who gave my tour had a summer job lined up with the DOJ.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby theantiscalia » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:09 pm

vanstone22 wrote:
sibley wrote:
vanstone22 wrote:I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL


the library is beautiful! make sure you go on the 2nd floor of the reading room.



What i want is an honest career assessment; everything else is a bonus.


WUSTL's numbers were higher than ND's last year, but I've heard rumors (from extremely credible sources) that WUSTL hired some of its own graduates. Not many... but some. (In fairness, I believe a lot of law schools did. Seriously, Duke, 100% employed at graduation? Yeah right.)

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby theantiscalia » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:13 pm

sibley wrote:
vanstone22 wrote:
sibley wrote:
vanstone22 wrote:I'm flying out from LA at 11:55pm heading to STL. Should be a good visit, sitting in on a class, meeting with career services, having lunch with a 3l, and then deciding whether Im matriculating to Notre Dame or WUSTL


the library is beautiful! make sure you go on the 2nd floor of the reading room.



What i want is an honest career assessment; everything else is a bonus.


the random 3l I ran into (on the computers in the cafe place) had a job lined up in NY, the 2l who gave my tour had a summer job lined up with the DOJ.


Apparently the new CS dean is a rock star at placement. I also read something about the CIA interviewing on campus.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Stephanie13 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:30 pm

theantiscalia wrote:
sibley wrote:
vanstone22 wrote:
sibley wrote:
the library is beautiful! make sure you go on the 2nd floor of the reading room.



What i want is an honest career assessment; everything else is a bonus.


the random 3l I ran into (on the computers in the cafe place) had a job lined up in NY, the 2l who gave my tour had a summer job lined up with the DOJ.


Apparently the new CS dean is a rock star at placement. I also read something about the CIA interviewing on campus.

yup this is true!

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby RayFinkle » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:43 pm

The rockstar part or the CIA part?

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Stephanie13 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:54 pm

RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Sauer Grapes » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:56 pm

Stephanie13 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby RayFinkle » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:57 pm

Sauer Grapes wrote:
Stephanie13 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.


Spivey has been broadcasting that he is a rockstar? Jeeze, show a little modesty.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby jks289 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:57 pm

Sauer Grapes wrote:
Stephanie13 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.


LOL at people assuming the CIA keeps its OCI a secret. They aren't hiring covert field agents, they are hiring lawyers. The information is public to anyone interested.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Sauer Grapes » Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:58 pm

jks289 wrote:
Sauer Grapes wrote:
Stephanie13 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.


LOL at people assuming the CIA keeps its OCI a secret. They aren't hiring covert field agents, they are hiring lawyers. The information is public to anyone interested.

I was being sarcastic, unsuccessfully aparently. :oops:

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Stephanie13 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:00 pm

Hahaha, I got it. Made me laugh out loud at the office.

edit: quote fail.
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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby jks289 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:00 pm

Sorry, understanding humor fail. :D Though Spivey was making it seem like a state secret at the ASD (the woman not giving her last name, etc)

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby RayFinkle » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:01 pm

I enjoyed it. :wink:

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby theantiscalia » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:03 pm

jks289 wrote:
Sauer Grapes wrote:
Stephanie13 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.


LOL at people assuming the CIA keeps its OCI a secret. They aren't hiring covert field agents, they are hiring lawyers. The information is public to anyone interested.


I can just imagine how this interview would go... I'd be all nervous.

CIA: "We're not impressed with your exam scores."
3L: "I have a 4.0..."
CIA: "No, we pulled the actual exams."
3L: "You can't do that under FERPA..."
CIA: "Do you know who we are?"
3L: "You're the CIA."
CIA: "Wrong, kid. We're the law firm of Crawford Irving and Associates."
3L: "That's just a made up firm name with the same initials as the CIA..."
CIA: "This interview is over. You know to much."
3L: "What the?!?"

And then they pull out the Men in Black Device... and he was never there.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby RayFinkle » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:04 pm

theantiscalia wrote:
jks289 wrote:
Sauer Grapes wrote:
Stephanie13 wrote:Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.


LOL at people assuming the CIA keeps its OCI a secret. They aren't hiring covert field agents, they are hiring lawyers. The information is public to anyone interested.


I can just imagine how this interview would go... I'd be all nervous.

CIA: "We're not impressed with your exam scores."
3L: "I have a 4.0..."
CIA: "No, we pulled the actual exams."
3L: "You can't do that under FERPA..."
CIA: "Do you know who we are?"
3L: "You're the CIA."
CIA: "Wrong, kid. We're the law firm of Crawford Irving and Associates."
3L: "That's just a made up firm name with the same initials as the CIA..."
CIA: "This interview is over. You know to much."
3L: "What the?!?"

And then they pull out the Men in Black Device... and he was never there.


Awesome TLS name.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby jonjung710 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:50 pm

wow thnx for all the replies guys! hopefully ill see u in a couple years at wustl. and go CARDS

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby JCougar » Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:04 pm

Wow...lots of people taking advantage of that refundable deposit.

I'm already a bit more relaxed today, because I just got in off the waitlist at Wisconsin, and I get in-state tuition there. WUSTL or Illinois can still beat that with decent scholarship money, though. I think my campus tour coming up will help me a lot when making my decision.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby romothesavior » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:34 pm

RayFinkle wrote:
Sauer Grapes wrote:
Stephanie13 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:The rockstar part or the CIA part?

Both! But yea, Dean Spivey definitely said that the CIA does OCI at WUSTL. Can someone else back me up on this?

Of course no one can back it up. They obviously wouldn't leave any proof. In fact, Spivey probably shouldn't even be broadcasting that.


Spivey has been broadcasting that he is a rockstar? Jeeze, show a little modesty.


Haha I never heard Spivey say that he is a rockstar, but he certainly seems like one.

That CIA thing was pretty cool though. Top-10 plus WUSTL... definitely a cool thing to be able to say.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby ta06fsu » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:56 pm

The refundable deposit is great in theory and trust me im not knocking it but if you're on the waitlist at other premier schools you probably wont know your fate till June or July after having spent $650. Here's an anecdotal tidbit. I had a buddy that put $250 down at UNC. Then Vandy came calling and got off their waitlist. He said that was another $250. Then in June Penn came calling and that was $500. I hate waitlist purgatory lol.




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