WUSTL Class of 2013

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby nyyankees » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:54 pm

JCougar wrote:
fl0w wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
fl0w wrote:I'm complaining, but at $35/hr I guess I should just put my head down and do it.

For that kinda money, you should just shut your damn mouth. :lol: Sounds like a pretty baller gig (and I know your internship is as well).


Yeah, it's a lot of work but also very good pay for what I'm actually doing.
I can't imagine what it might be like to make a firm salary. I don't even know what I'd do with all that scrilla.


Pay off your loans?

If I miraculously get a biglaw job, I'm going to try and put about half my salary toward loan repayment for the first 2 years or so. Putting a big dent in this early is a good way to avoid a ton of compounding interest.

On a depressing note, I calculated what my repayment schedule would be like if I get a federal government job out of this internship and do the 10-year loan forgiveness plan (the one where you pay 15% of your income to your loans for 10 years, and then they are forgiven after that). But if I start at a federal government job at the GS-11 level (it's what the EEOC attorneys start out at, which in DC, equates to $62K/year), 15% of my income won't even cover the interest accruing. So after 9 years, I'll owe more on my loans than I will when I graduate, unless I get a couple promotions along the way. Basically, it means that if I go the government route, I'd have to lock myself in to working 10 years there at a minimum...otherwise I'm completely screwed.

Just another sign of how nuts the law school system is these days. Less than 25% of graduates are going to be able to get jobs that give them a legitimate chance of paying off the price of tuition. Indentured servitude is back in style.


if you are planning on sticking out the 10 years anyway, it shouldnt matter what the total of the principal is.... realistically, working a job with good hours, in a city you like for 10 years, and then maybe moving into the private sector might not be an awful proposition...

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby JCougar » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:18 pm

nyyankees wrote:if you are planning on sticking out the 10 years anyway, it shouldnt matter what the total of the principal is.... realistically, working a job with good hours, in a city you like for 10 years, and then maybe moving into the private sector might not be an awful proposition...


That's true. I had thought about that. It's just that I'd be fairly limited in what I could do for those 10 years. What I'm doing here is a lot of policy work. The hours are great, the benefits are good, the pay starts off kind of low, but not too shabby.

But the main reason I went to law school was because I like the sales aspect of it all, and building a book of business. The working for clients aspect. The competitiveness. If I were to work here, I'd be going back to the kind of job I left to go to law school...sitting in a cubicle working a low-pressure job all day. I might be different than most, but a low-pressure job is not very appealing to me. I want to work for someone that expects a lot out of me.

Of course, working in Biglaw as an Associate Attorney isn't much different. You're not dealing with clients yourself, a lot of what you're doing is busywork that the partners don't want to do themselves, a lot of time spent in front of a computer, etc. So if I can make a permanent job out of this, I probably shouldn't be complaining. The only perfect job is successful plaintiff's attorney, where you can spend a few weeks working on a case and profit a million dollars. But being successful in that field is a lot like playing the lottery. You got to get the right clients, and those are hard to find and there's a lot of competition. But perhaps the kind of job I'm really looking for.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Oban » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:57 pm

So did anyone get any interviews at the New York or DC programs? Are these firms only interviewing top 10 percent?

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby stratocophic » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:26 pm

Oban wrote:So did anyone get any interviews at the New York or DC programs? Are these firms only interviewing top 10 percent?
I got one! (lulz) Only because I'm IP though. Thankfully NY only barely makes it into the top 10 list of places I'm looking to work. Almost certainly just top 10% for WUSTL IMO, maybe a bit lower for someone w/ a bunch of good things on their resume. 99% sure I'll be declining tomorrow anyway, hopefully it goes to someone else in our class. Too expensive for for too little chance of any positive ROI (based on results with the other 19 I bid on).

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby nyyankees » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:05 pm

stratocophic wrote:
Oban wrote:So did anyone get any interviews at the New York or DC programs? Are these firms only interviewing top 10 percent?
I got one! (lulz) Only because I'm IP though. Thankfully NY only barely makes it into the top 10 list of places I'm looking to work. Almost certainly just top 10% for WUSTL IMO, maybe a bit lower for someone w/ a bunch of good things on their resume. 99% sure I'll be declining tomorrow anyway, hopefully it goes to someone else in our class. Too expensive for for too little chance of any positive ROI (based on results with the other 19 I bid on).


They definitely arent strictly sticking to their posted cutoffs. i think as people drop out, they are going to other people #hopefullytopeoplewithaccomodatingschedules
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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby thebigdog » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:16 pm

Alting since can't anon. Top 25% + LR landed me 1 NY interview, 2 in DC. I know people in the top 5% who didn't get some of the bigger ones, so I think there is a definite Vandy preference, atleast in NY. I also am unsure if I'm going to go to NY, waiting for Atlanta to come in - would rather work there than NY. Also, if you're an alternate, a lot of people seem to be transferring out so maybe some slots will open up. I know one person who went from alt to in already. Good luck!

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby signontheline » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:47 pm

thebigdog wrote:Alting since can't anon. Top 25% + LR landed me 1 NY interview, 2 in DC. I know people in the top 5% who didn't get some of the bigger ones, so I think there is a definite Vandy preference, atleast in NY. I also am unsure if I'm going to go to NY, waiting for Atlanta to come in - would rather work there than NY. Also, if you're an alternate, a lot of people seem to be transferring out so maybe some slots will open up. I know one person who went from alt to in already. Good luck!


Top 20% + LR got me 10 interviews and 2 alternates in NY, didn't apply to DC.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby stratocophic » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm

nyyankees wrote:
stratocophic wrote:
Oban wrote:So did anyone get any interviews at the New York or DC programs? Are these firms only interviewing top 10 percent?
I got one! (lulz) Only because I'm IP though. Thankfully NY only barely makes it into the top 10 list of places I'm looking to work. Almost certainly just top 10% for WUSTL IMO, maybe a bit lower for someone w/ a bunch of good things on their resume. 99% sure I'll be declining tomorrow anyway, hopefully it goes to someone else in our class. Too expensive for for too little chance of any positive ROI (based on results with the other 19 I bid on).


They definitely arent strictly sticking to their posted cutoffs. i think as people drop out, they are going to other people #hopefullytopeoplewithaccomodatingschedules
LOLOLOLOLOLOL should have known. Why in God's name would I think anything else :lol:

Vandy supposedly pwns in NY, I don't doubt that the cutoffs were a little more realistic for them.
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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby wustlgunner2013 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:13 pm

nyyankees wrote:
stratocophic wrote:
Oban wrote:So did anyone get any interviews at the New York or DC programs? Are these firms only interviewing top 10 percent?
I got one! (lulz) Only because I'm IP though. Thankfully NY only barely makes it into the top 10 list of places I'm looking to work. Almost certainly just top 10% for WUSTL IMO, maybe a bit lower for someone w/ a bunch of good things on their resume. 99% sure I'll be declining tomorrow anyway, hopefully it goes to someone else in our class. Too expensive for for too little chance of any positive ROI (based on results with the other 19 I bid on).


They definitely arent strictly sticking to their posted cutoffs. i think as people drop out, they are going to other people #hopefullytopeoplewithaccomodatingschedules


Bottom 50%. 2 years work experience. Got an interview at one of the NY firms.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby fl0w » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:11 am

wow guys. we're really too shy to talk about what percentage we are under our actual alias?

I thought we were tighter than this.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby stratocophic » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:26 am

fl0w wrote:wow guys. we're really too shy to talk about what percentage we are under our actual alias?

I thought we were tighter than this.
Eh the combo of possibly being outted to someone that matters and not wanting to be 'that guy' is pretty strong. I need to be more discrete myself, since I'm pretty positive lawfirmrecruiter will be able to ID me immediately when I apply to her firm before 3L :oops:

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby fl0w » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:34 am

stratocophic wrote:
fl0w wrote:wow guys. we're really too shy to talk about what percentage we are under our actual alias?

I thought we were tighter than this.
Eh the combo of possibly being outted to someone that matters and not wanting to be 'that guy' is pretty strong. I need to be more discrete myself, since I'm pretty positive lawfirmrecruiter will be able to ID me immediately when I apply to her firm before 3L :oops:


i think everyone is just too paranoid about this stuff. yeah recruiters CAN read the boards. But i know if i were a recruiter i wouldn't waste my time doing it.

but that's someone in the "middle third" talking. ha

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby deebs » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:49 am

signontheline wrote:Top 20% + LR got me 10 interviews and 2 alternates in NY, didn't apply to DC.


Hmm, know a couple ppl w/ same stats that only got a couple. Do you have URM/female/elite undergrad/WE?

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby deebs » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:52 am

I'm with strat on not wanting to be "that guy". I frankly don't care since someone has to be every percentage, but I didn't want to just post it since my handle isn't too hard to figure out who I am. I know a lot of people just lurk this thread too, so there's more eyes of classmates than we think.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:32 am

deebs wrote:I know a lot of people just lurk this thread too, so there's more eyes of classmates than we think.

Big +1

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:34 am

signontheline wrote:Top 20% + LR got me 10 interviews and 2 alternates in NY, didn't apply to DC.

IP/WE/URM? That seems like an awful lot of interviews for your grades, even with LR. I know someone around top 15% and LR who only got like 2 interviews and 2 alts.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby fl0w » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:36 am

deebs wrote:I'm with strat on not wanting to be "that guy". I frankly don't care since someone has to be every percentage, but I didn't want to just post it since my handle isn't too hard to figure out who I am. I know a lot of people just lurk this thread too, so there's more eyes of classmates than we think.


that's fair. i mean i wouldn't post my exact stuff either, and i get the concerns of being "that guy"

but let's face it, people find out your shit if you tell greater than zero people. The only sure way to keep a secret is to never let it leave your face. So rather than not talk to humans, i tend to be more upfront and frank in such conversations.

But yeah it's different posting it for the whole interwebz to see. i get it.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:40 am

fl0w wrote:but let's face it, people find out your shit if you tell greater than zero people. The only sure way to keep a secret is to never let it leave your face. So rather than not talk to humans, i tend to be more upfront and frank in such conversations.

True, but the few people who I do tell info like that to would only tell a few other people, and generally I'm also friends with the other people that they'd tell. It isn't so much that I want my info to be private. I don't mind if some people know my grades, interviews, where I work, etc. It is mostly who knows that info that I care about. And I don't want to be "that guy" (for a definition of "that guy," see: all the people who feel the need to flaunt their journal status/grades/jobs on their Facebook status while half the class is still agonizing over theirs).

That's one of the reasons I love TLS (and why I have such a high post count :oops: )... I can talk about that stuff (and also commiserate) with my interwebz lawl skool peeps in other threads without worrying too much how I may be perceived by my own classmates. Time and a place for everything, I suppose.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby fl0w » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:44 am

romothesavior wrote:(for a definition of "that guy," see: all the people who feel the need to flaunt their journal status/grades/jobs on their Facebook status while half the class is still agonizing over theirs).


yeah.. i know "that guy" you be talkin about.
let's not be that guy.


bwahahaha

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:48 am

fl0w wrote:
romothesavior wrote:(for a definition of "that guy," see: all the people who feel the need to flaunt their journal status/grades/jobs on their Facebook status while half the class is still agonizing over theirs).


yeah.. i know "that guy" you be talkin about.
let's not be that guy.


bwahahaha

Haha, I wasn't really referencing anyone in particular. It seems to be a pretty common thing with a lot of people, and not just at our school. Doesn't bother me all that much (although I do see it as being in poor taste), but I know some people get very riled up about that sort of thing.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby Hannibal » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:55 am

romothesavior wrote:
deebs wrote:I know a lot of people just lurk this thread too, so there's more eyes of classmates than we think.

Big +1


:oops:

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby fl0w » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:42 am

romothesavior wrote:
fl0w wrote:
romothesavior wrote:(for a definition of "that guy," see: all the people who feel the need to flaunt their journal status/grades/jobs on their Facebook status while half the class is still agonizing over theirs).


yeah.. i know "that guy" you be talkin about.
let's not be that guy.


bwahahaha

Haha, I wasn't really referencing anyone in particular. It seems to be a pretty common thing with a lot of people, and not just at our school. Doesn't bother me all that much (although I do see it as being in poor taste), but I know some people get very riled up about that sort of thing.


i am working with someone from UC-something this summer. And the #1 in her class put it in his LinkedIn profile. As.his.tagline.

UC-something #1 in Class.

wow.just.wow.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby signontheline » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:30 am

romothesavior wrote:
signontheline wrote:Top 20% + LR got me 10 interviews and 2 alternates in NY, didn't apply to DC.

IP/WE/URM? That seems like an awful lot of interviews for your grades, even with LR. I know someone around top 15% and LR who only got like 2 interviews and 2 alts.


Just strong (and obvious) ties to the market.

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby stratocophic » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:39 am

Hannibal wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
deebs wrote:I know a lot of people just lurk this thread too, so there's more eyes of classmates than we think.

Big +1


:oops:
Ha, dude I figured out who you are on the 2014 FB group and I wasn't even trying, just put 2 and 2 together - it's pretty easy to puzzle out who people are without even meaning to

Also, sup lurking WUSTLers, why aren't you on here talking smack too?

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Re: WUSTL Class of 2013

Postby darklighter13 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:23 am

stratocophic wrote:Also, sup lurking WUSTLers, why aren't you on here talking smack too?


I'm not as clever as the rest of you are. :cry:




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