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URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:32 am

Piggybacking another related thread........

School (or at least give a range, like "CCN" or "T20-30" if you don't want to be specific)
GPA, Journals
# of interviews
# of callbacks

Howard Univ. grads especially welcome.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:33 am

Good luck with this. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there aren't enough URM posters (Black, Native American, Mexican) on here who are already in law school to make this even reach 1 page.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby M51 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:49 am

kurama20 wrote:Good luck with this. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there aren't enough URM posters (Black, Native American, Mexican) on here who are already in law school to make this even reach 1 page.


Or even one post?

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:31 pm

I'm not in law school yet but my older brother and two of his closest friends are URM's at HYSCCN. I'll give info for all three but wont say which is which. Hispanic and Black URM's, males and females:

LR
around 22 interviews v50

callbacks at 17 including two V5's (declined 3). s/he has also received offers at 11, and is trying to decide between super prestige WLKR, or Cleary who have been very upfront about their inclusive and diverse atmosphere.

Around median

23 interviews v100
callbacks at 9 including one v10. 3 offers.

Lower half of the class near bottom
21 interviews v100 and non vault
11 callbacks including 3 v50. 2 offers.

Hope this helps.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby chicoalto0649 » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:35 pm

Dayyyyyyummmmn


Recession? What recession?

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby 02082010 » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:36 pm

"Well-below" median AAs at Chicago can comfortably get V100 gigs I have been told.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby chicoalto0649 » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:42 pm

hopefulundergrad wrote:"Well-below" median AAs at Chicago can comfortably get V100 gigs I have been told.


So is this just because of exogenous pressures (when I say "exogenous" I mean forces outside the legal profession or tangentially associated with it, media, politicians, etc.) or is this all because the Bar association basically compels firms to hire more diverse applicants?

I would hate to be AA (I look AA but I am really Mexican) and enter one of the most prestigious firms in the country. Seems like you'd have to try awfully hard to gain your crotchety old white cohorts respect, or else you run the risk of being Eddie Murphy's character in Trading Places reincarnate.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:53 pm

One thing to caution, is that the person near the bottom of the class felt that a lot of the callbacks s/he received had very little substance and felt almost like they were simply for show. So take what you will from that.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm not in law school yet but my older brother and two of his closest friends are URM's at HYSCCN. I'll give info for all three but wont say which is which. Hispanic and Black URM's, males and females:

LR
around 22 interviews v50

callbacks at 17 including two V5's (declined 3). s/he has also received offers at 11, and is trying to decide between super prestige WLKR, or Cleary who have been very upfront about their inclusive and diverse atmosphere.


Around median

23 interviews v100
callbacks at 9 including one v10. 3 offers.

Lower half of the class near bottom
21 interviews v100 and non vault
11 callbacks including 3 v50. 2 offers.

Hope this helps.



Whoa I'm glad I was wrong with that first post. Was the bolded the black female candidate? I'm guessing HYS if she got the Wachtell offer. It sounds like going to a top law school---even in this recession---is a very very good idea for a URM.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:29 pm

bottom half ccn had several cbs and zero offers and know others in same position, its not roses for all of us

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:13 am

Anonymous User wrote:bottom half ccn had several cbs and zero offers and know others in same position, its not roses for all of us


Thanks for the reality check. What type of URM are you?

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:09 am

AA male, sorry to kill the happy tone of this thread

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:11 am

Anonymous User wrote:AA male, sorry to kill the happy tone of this thread


It's cool---we need reality around here. Since you are anonymous can you tell us which of CCN (I'm guessing NYU)?

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:14 am

no the bigger C

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby 02082010 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:17 am

Anonymous User wrote:no the bigger C


Have you taken a class with Posner yet? :D

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:52 pm

The consensus at my MVPB was that offers had NOT been extended to quite a few minority students as of a week or two ago. Several have been extended offers in the intervening two weeks. Those with high (top 1/3 to top 1/4) grades and solid resumes appear to have had comfortable cycles and were courted by many firms.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:08 am

Anonymous User wrote:The consensus at my MVPB was that offers had NOT been extended to quite a few minority students as of a week or two ago. Several have been extended offers in the intervening two weeks. Those with high (top 1/3 to top 1/4) grades and solid resumes appear to have had comfortable cycles and were courted by many firms.


So a URM in the top 20 percent (or better) of MVPB shouldn't have any trouble then? Is order of coif at these schools pretty much a golden ticket for URMs?

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Hitachi » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:19 pm

No, because you get order of the coif two years after you get a job.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:21 pm

Hitachi wrote:No, because you get order of the coif two years after you get a job.


Well yeah I know, I should have just said top 10 percent.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:17 pm

kurama20 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The consensus at my MVPB was that offers had NOT been extended to quite a few minority students as of a week or two ago. Several have been extended offers in the intervening two weeks. Those with high (top 1/3 to top 1/4) grades and solid resumes appear to have had comfortable cycles and were courted by many firms.


So a URM in the top 20 percent (or better) of MVPB shouldn't have any trouble then? Is order of coif at these schools pretty much a golden ticket for URMs?

I asked this exact question. Top 20% going as low as perhaps top third would = no trouble.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:bottom half ccn had several cbs and zero offers and know others in same position, its not roses for all of us


very true. bottom half at mvp with several callbacks and no offers. life sucks.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby legends159 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:23 pm

btw, as a research guide, http://www.betterlegalprofession.org/ is fantastic especially for URMs because it lays out diversity numbers for each firm in each office: ie., Skadden may seem to have a lot of latino representation, but if you dig deep they're all in the Miami office (surprise surprise)

and Boston offices seem to be allergic to diversity

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby FrankReynolds » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:09 pm

simple math.

In the past class sizes were large enough where all URM students could get a job at a V100 firm(and firms would still be undersubscribed)

With class sizes shrinking, V100 firms can get a similar/higher percentage of URM students without having to hire each and every one.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:31 pm

I posted this in another thread but it seems to particularly relevant here:

Final Results:

MVPB
- above median
- secondary journal
- banking background
- URM

20 screening interviews
12 callbacks; canceled 2
6 offers (1 V5 NYC, 1 V10 NYC, 2 V20 NYC, 1 Magic Circle, 1 V 100)
Accepted V5 (non-sweatshop) and withdrew from the rest!

By way of background, I had my own reasons for singling out one V5 firm (didn't OCI or resume drop with others because I was really turned off by the rest) and then they offered me, so everything went very well.

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Re: URM OCI callbacks????

Postby kurama20 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:08 pm

legends159 wrote:btw, as a research guide, http://www.betterlegalprofession.org/ is fantastic especially for URMs because it lays out diversity numbers for each firm in each office: ie., Skadden may seem to have a lot of latino representation, but if you dig deep they're all in the Miami office (surprise surprise)

and Boston offices seem to be allergic to diversity



Boston is allergic to diversity period. It's funny how much people bash the south for being "conservative" etc. but I will tell you right now that a black person is far far better off in Atlanta than in Boston.




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