hiro86 wrote: adamlippes wrote: edcrane wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:edcrane: Do you really think there are many above median people at NYU who got no offers? I haven't talked to many people, but my perception was that median or higher + reasonable interview strategy = offer at NYU this year
We won't know with any degree of certainty until next year, when CS publishes stats, but a significant minority of people in the median to top 1/4 bucket with whom I've discussed summer plans have indicated that they're still looking (i.e., nada from EIW/OCI). None of these people seem especially socially inept or prone to douchebaggery.
It may be that such people only account for 10%-15% of students in that grade range, but that would still be a pretty significant departure from past years.
And with this observation, isn't it pretty sick the way people around us keep talking about jobs they have so loudly? Some kids during break in tax were yapping loudly, and I couldn't help but wonder how crass they were being.
Personally, I'm surprised by the fact that in law school the discussion of jobs is so taboo. In UG everyone was very open about it and I don't think any one was offended. I just graduated, and the job market was as bad for us UG kids as it is for the current 2Ls. I don't know, maybe it was just my UG...
The 2L summer job search is considered, by many, to be a defining moment of a person's legal career. Few UG people (though certainly some) are in that position. The emphasis that people put on 2L OCI is not without merit, because moving vertically after you're practicing is extremely difficult. The ability to knock out the $150k+ of law school debt in 3-4 years as compared to 20-30 has a defining impact on peoples' lives, not to mention the doors that the biglaw pedigree opens--either through partnership, or with firms/agencies that largely only hire biglaw "grads."
2L OCI this year dashed a lot of expectations that people had coming in to law school. The Class of 2012 was put on notice everywhere but HYS, the Class of 2011 was on notice about the risks associated with schools lower on the totem poll. However, the folks in the Class of 2011 who took out massive loans on the expectation that a majority of their class was going to get some kind of employment in biglaw post-graduation--an expectation that really wasn't outlandish for people in and around the T14--have been hit very hard. It is likely to have a permanent impact on their lives; contrary to the feel-good crap that Career Services Offices are putting out, the people who missed the Biglaw boat because of the economy could very well have missed it permanently.
$180k is hell of a debt to pay off without a very high salary--hell, isn't the standard recommendation "don't take out more debt than you'll make in the first year"? I'm not surprised at all that the topic is taboo under these circumstances.