tiesto82 wrote:My god!!! This is honestly the most worthless string of posts. Bottom line is... no matter what school you are at, take it seriously. The reason there is a slew of folks on here speculating and pissing and moaning about hiring rates possibly going down at the T-14's is because a percentage of people stop taking it seriously once they get there and float in cruise control expecting a job no matter where they rank or how well they perform. The sense of entitlement is disgusting.
From my work experience I know alot of people from T-14's who are overshadowed by there "TTT" counterparts in every realm of the profession. I have seen this with judicial clerks, firms, and public interest/government positions. Gaining admittance into a T-14 means that you have a vast amount of raw intelligence. But that doesn't mean you can merely throw it into cruise control for three years and honestly just expect things to be handed to you (with the exception of a handful of people who are simply that smart).
When push comes to shove, if you were outside the Top 20% and you do not have a SA position this summer then the majority of people have no one to blame but themselves. But if there is anyone out there who still believes that life just hands to you without any effort or that you ever reach a level where you can stop trying then you have alot more to worry about than not having an offer. I can understand the gripes from anyone who legitimately worked hard and took all of 1L seriously and did not receive an offer but seriously instead of carrying on these conversations about who should be hired and how things are going to turn out for the Class of 2012, you might want to spend the time studying and improving your own lot.
As you mentioned, the majority of people who get in to the T14 are going to be quite intelligent. Furthermore, most people aren't going to go in to a T14 and feel like they can slack off and still expect a fantastic job. That said, no matter how hard you work, 80% of the class is going to miss that top 20% cutoff. For that matter, 50% of the class is going to miss the top half. Some of those folks will be there because of laziness or because they don't have a legal mind--most of them will be there because of a combination of the sheer luck that plays a large role in law school grades and the fact that the competition in the T14 is composed of an extremely high level of intelligence and skill.
Many people went to the T14 because, in general, the "top 20% or no job for you" rules didn't apply. Had they known what hiring was going to be like, they likely would have taken the full rides they had available at other schools. The majority of people I've encountered have done nothing like "throwing [their] hands up and expecting things to be handed to [them]." Now, you can argue that the biglaw hiring model was always messed up, that T14 grads never should have had the opportunities they had, that biglaw never should have paid so much--you can argue all of that, and I would agree with you. That doesn't change the fact that the decisions people made to attend these schools were based on reasonable expectations.
"Reasonable expectations" and "entitlement" are very different things. People in the class of 2010/2011 paid full price at T14 schools--a cost which, including interest accrued while in school, and CoL, may easily surpass $200k before you even consider the largely non-deductible interest payments in repayment--with the reasonable expectation that they would get employment that makes paying off that kind of massive debt possible. The change in the legal environment is going to ruin the financial lives of many people, and it is a ruin, unlike most investments gone awry, from which there is no escape--no bankruptcy, no foreclosure on an otherwise nonrecourse loan, no fresh start. This is the kind of financial ruin that really can ruin someone's life in its entirety. You're really going to call that "whining?" You honestly believe that most people who get in to top schools stop taking it seriously once they're in? You honestly believe that these problems would go away if people stopped posting about them because, somehow, people could direct their energy to their work and end up ranking higher in their class? Give me a break.