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Re: Biglaw lawyer taking questions
So, I am a fairly clueless 0L, so please excuse any truly stupid questions.
1. Do you find that you get to generally work on specific cases that you find interesting? One of my qualms about biglaw is that I'm interested in criminal law, yet I feel I won't be able to get my hands near white collar stuff for years.
2. Do you think the market a firm is in significantly colors a litigators job? I.e. could a firm in NYC be more focused on Wall Street related issues, whereas a DC-oriented firm might give a litigator more of a government flavor, i.e. works on litigation issues pertaining to regulatory agencies, etc.
3. How long does an associate have to spend at a typical firm before he/she gets some real court time based on your experience at your firm?
1. Do you find that you get to generally work on specific cases that you find interesting? One of my qualms about biglaw is that I'm interested in criminal law, yet I feel I won't be able to get my hands near white collar stuff for years.
2. Do you think the market a firm is in significantly colors a litigators job? I.e. could a firm in NYC be more focused on Wall Street related issues, whereas a DC-oriented firm might give a litigator more of a government flavor, i.e. works on litigation issues pertaining to regulatory agencies, etc.
3. How long does an associate have to spend at a typical firm before he/she gets some real court time based on your experience at your firm?
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Any advice on how to manage an intra-office transfer? Assume second to third year associate and a family-related reason (aka my wife hates market X).
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Why would you want to work as an RA rather than for a firm? Just because you don't want to be there long term isn't a reason to:Anonymous User wrote:What if I'm not going to be applying to my secondary market at OCI?3rdYrLitigator wrote:My advice would be to suck it up and just do it. You're a 1L, who cares if you want to work there long term? Working at a firm will look better than being an RA for OCI. If there's some other reason why you don't want to work there, well just be prepared for that to follow you around if you want to work at even another firm in that secondary market. The legal practice can be a small world in many ways and I wouldn't burn bridges like that without a really good reason, besides just not wanting to work there.Anonymous User wrote:So I accepted a summer job with a firm in my Secondary market. (1L) Now that I'm getting closer I realize I really, really, really don't want to work there long term.
What would you say the etiquette to telling this firm that I wanted to back out of the job?
I'd be taking a Research Assistant position in its place.
(a) give up a well paying position, and
(b) backout at the very last minute.
Professionals don't back out at the very last minute save a true emergency. You're going to be a licensed professional in a couple years. Start acting like it.
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LOLvamedic03 wrote:You're going to be a licensed professional in a couple years. Start acting like it.
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I'd still do it, unless there's a compelling reason not to. It will look better from OCI to have actually worked than to have RA'ed. Just not wanted to work there is a bad reason to burn this bridge in my book.Anonymous User wrote:What if I'm not going to be applying to my secondary market at OCI?3rdYrLitigator wrote:My advice would be to suck it up and just do it. You're a 1L, who cares if you want to work there long term? Working at a firm will look better than being an RA for OCI. If there's some other reason why you don't want to work there, well just be prepared for that to follow you around if you want to work at even another firm in that secondary market. The legal practice can be a small world in many ways and I wouldn't burn bridges like that without a really good reason, besides just not wanting to work there.Anonymous User wrote:So I accepted a summer job with a firm in my Secondary market. (1L) Now that I'm getting closer I realize I really, really, really don't want to work there long term.
What would you say the etiquette to telling this firm that I wanted to back out of the job?
I'd be taking a Research Assistant position in its place.
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Not that I know of, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some that I didn't know.roranoa wrote:Are there some foreigners (non US citizen) doing litigation at your firm? I was just wondering how well foreigners fit in (as in hang out well with colleagues and partners) US firms. Do they do okay?
Oh, and when you interview applicants that are not US citizens (ex.a Chinese guy with a US JD) do you also consider something like,
'Oh, we could use this guy in our Hong Kong branch after a few years at NYC'
Or do you interview foreigners just like any other applicant?
Not really, I interview for my office and that's it, I don't consider whether the person is going to want to/be able to transfer to another office.
Pretty much.
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1. Definitely. I'm sure there are firms out there that would let you specialize early, just find one and go into that department right off the bat.TLSNYC wrote:So, I am a fairly clueless 0L, so please excuse any truly stupid questions.
1. Do you find that you get to generally work on specific cases that you find interesting? One of my qualms about biglaw is that I'm interested in criminal law, yet I feel I won't be able to get my hands near white collar stuff for years.
2. Do you think the market a firm is in significantly colors a litigators job? I.e. could a firm in NYC be more focused on Wall Street related issues, whereas a DC-oriented firm might give a litigator more of a government flavor, i.e. works on litigation issues pertaining to regulatory agencies, etc.
3. How long does an associate have to spend at a typical firm before he/she gets some real court time based on your experience at your firm?
2. Yes, I think the market could change things, but I think the firm's focus is more important.
3. Years and if you mean something beyond being a 2nd chair, then years and years. You can be a senior associate without ever having been to trial at a Biglaw firm.
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Well it depends on your relationship in the department and how much your department has a presence in that office. I think firms understand family-related issues, but I wouldn't say it's because your wife hates that city. That's a pretty weak reason in my book.Anonymous User wrote:Any advice on how to manage an intra-office transfer? Assume second to third year associate and a family-related reason (aka my wife hates market X).
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Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
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If this is a serious question, I worry for the future of our nation.thecilent wrote:Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
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Srs question.Renzo wrote:If this is a serious question, I worry for the future of our nation.thecilent wrote:Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
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Do you have to sign a no compete clause when hired? If so what does it entail? Have you seen many people move from big law to going out on their own with or without partners. I have noticed a lot of product liability trial attorneys start in big law on the defense side and flip have you seen this? Thanks!!
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In Illinois no competes for lawyers are illegal.lightyourselfonfire wrote:Do you have to sign a no compete clause when hired? If so what does it entail? Have you seen many people move from big law to going out on their own with or without partners. I have noticed a lot of product liability trial attorneys start in big law on the defense side and flip have you seen this? Thanks!!
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And it most states, even if it's not illegal, it'd be unethical to enter into one. See Model Rule 5.6 (http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... ctice.html).Ahhhnold wrote:In Illinois no competes for lawyers are illegal.lightyourselfonfire wrote:Do you have to sign a no compete clause when hired? If so what does it entail? Have you seen many people move from big law to going out on their own with or without partners. I have noticed a lot of product liability trial attorneys start in big law on the defense side and flip have you seen this? Thanks!!
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JDO is not good. Although WSO is pretty good.Seanandcodylover wrote:http://www.[link redacted].com/forums
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Thanks again for taking questions. This thread is amazing.
Do you think that taking an RA position for 1L summer is bad for OCI?
Do you think that taking an RA position for 1L summer is bad for OCI?
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I really don't know how to answer this. Partners answer email on their phone all the time, but they might get annoyed if every time they go into your office you're texting.thecilent wrote:Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
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No I didn't have to sign one, nor have I heard of anyone ever having to sign one. I have seen people go out on their own, but usually at the partner level. I haven't noticed the product liability trial attorneys but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.lightyourselfonfire wrote:Do you have to sign a no compete clause when hired? If so what does it entail? Have you seen many people move from big law to going out on their own with or without partners. I have noticed a lot of product liability trial attorneys start in big law on the defense side and flip have you seen this? Thanks!!
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No, no one really expects a 1L to have much better.swc65 wrote:Thanks again for taking questions. This thread is amazing.
Do you think that taking an RA position for 1L summer is bad for OCI?
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If it's not business related and it's not an urgent family matter, save it for after work.thecilent wrote:Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
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3rdYrLitigator wrote:No, no one really expects a 1L to have much better.swc65 wrote:Thanks again for taking questions. This thread is amazing.
Do you think that taking an RA position for 1L summer is bad for OCI?
Thank you for lowering my stress level which is pretty high since I have my first exam in a week!!
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what role do grades play in permanent offers to SAs? How much of a GPA drop would be grounds for no offer?
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Does your firm hire any 1L SAs?
In general how rare are these, and are they pretty much only for the t-14?
Do you have specific advice for a SA to distinguish themselves? How do they stand out?
Thank you
In general how rare are these, and are they pretty much only for the t-14?
Do you have specific advice for a SA to distinguish themselves? How do they stand out?
Thank you
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See that would not work for me. If I was going to be at an office for 10hrs/day I would have to be texting friends/girl(s) throughout.vamedic03 wrote:If it's not business related and it's not an urgent family matter, save it for after work.thecilent wrote:Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
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(1) Flame.thecilent wrote:See that would not work for me. If I was going to be at an office for 10hrs/day I would have to be texting friends/girl(s) throughout.vamedic03 wrote:If it's not business related and it's not an urgent family matter, save it for after work.thecilent wrote:Does anyone care if you're on your phone a lot throughout the day, like, texting and whatnot?
(2) If not flame, then you should probably consider growing up before going to law school.
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