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Anonymous User wrote:Long shot, but does anyone have infomation regarding the follow-up interview that they could send via PM??

Or could you post here since you can't PM anonymous users?

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Long shot, but does anyone have infomation regarding the follow-up interview that they could send via PM??

Or could you post here since you can't PM anonymous users?

Didnt mean to post that anonymously, but either way works

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BlakcMajikc wrote:

subtle wrote:You get paid less than lockstep. The firm continues to pay you through CLI.

You get don't get paid like a Summer Associate. You get paid like a paralegal. But depending on your firm you treated more or less like an SA. (My advice: the more you act like an SA, the more you'll get treated like one).

Well that sucks. Am I better off keeping my paralegal job instead of doing SEO? I'm pretty comfortable at my current firm and I have enough work to make some good money from overtime.

No, you're not. SEO isn't about the money you're making. It's about the network you're getting and the experience. Also, you won't pay for a lot of your food/alcohol throughout the summer.

Having SEO on your resume gets you jobs. Many SEOs from my year had 2+ offers going into OCI. The program gets A LOT of love from firms and the general networking opportunities are incredible. You are not, I repeat not, better off doing anything else unless you come from crazy money.

Hi guys--I was recently offered a spot in New York.

Where do SEOs placed in New York typically live? Any recommendations for affordable housing options?

Is there anyway to negotiate your SEO placement city?

Anonymous User wrote:Is there anyway to negotiate your SEO placement city?

Never heard of anyone doing this. They generally have good reasons for putting you where they put you.

You can't get what you don't ask for.

You can try even if it is unlikely to work. Just know that if you come off like a dick, they're within their rights to rescind an offer.

Are firms involved in the student selection process? Or does SEO just look for the types of candidates the firms want? Who's in the driver seat?

Skool wrote:You can't get what you don't ask for.

You can try even if it is unlikely to work. Just know that if you come off like a dick, they're within their rights to rescind an offer.

Has this happened???

I have a few years of WE and spoke with some KJDs who thought this a great program. Can someone with meaningful work history (consulting, IB, etc) who has now gone through oci discuss how beneficial it was vs what was already on your resume/cv? Not really looking for paralegals, interns, lsat tutors etc. I want to understand actual impact. TIA

Anonymous User wrote:I have a few years of WE and spoke with some KJDs who thought this a great program. Can someone with meaningful work history (consulting, IB, etc) who has now gone through oci discuss how beneficial it was vs what was already on your resume/cv? Not really looking for paralegals, interns, lsat tutors etc. I want to understand actual impact. TIA

Actual Impact/Meaningful Work History = Consulting, IB?



The nerve. Consulting/IB work experience does not necessarily open more doors to you. Perhaps it may be useful if you wish to go to Bain or McKinsey following law school, but SEO alums that had such experience usually end up in the same summer positions with kids who have other WE or no WE.

No matter your WE prior to LS, BIGLAW is a rite of passage to the likes of Goldman Sachs, Lazard, KKR and Blackstone should you wish to pursue that route.

Anonymous User wrote:I have a few years of WE and spoke with some KJDs who thought this a great program. Can someone with meaningful work history (consulting, IB, etc) who has now gone through oci discuss how beneficial it was vs what was already on your resume/cv? Not really looking for paralegals, interns, lsat tutors etc. I want to understand actual impact. TIA

This is a reasonable question asked in a somewhat douchey way. It's less reasonable when you consider this entire thread, even going back just the last ten or so pages, includes discussions of this by current posters. No idea why it requires anon posting.

DiniMae wrote:

Skool wrote:You can't get what you don't ask for.

You can try even if it is unlikely to work. Just know that if you come off like a dick, they're within their rights to rescind an offer.

Has this happened???

I doubt it, I was just saying that it could happen in a word to the wise kind of way.

Anonymous User wrote:I have a few years of WE and spoke with some KJDs who thought this a great program. Can someone with meaningful work history (consulting, IB, etc) who has now gone through oci discuss how beneficial it was vs what was already on your resume/cv? Not really looking for paralegals, interns, lsat tutors etc. I want to understand actual impact. TIA

Unless you have stock options about to vest, accept your offer if you get one. The point is that SEO will introduce you to recruiting, associates, and partners at top firms two years early. By the time I walked into EIP, I knew people and could say confidently why I was choosing to interview with that firm. Not to mention I had 3 pre-EIP offers and an additional 2 pre-EIP callbacks All SEO firms. All happened because they reached out to SEOs separately. Also, my 1L firm job came from an SEO firm because they only interviewed SEOs.

DiniMae wrote:Are firms involved in the student selection process? Or does SEO just look for the types of candidates the firms want? Who's in the driver seat?

bumping this. additionally, could anyone speak on how firm placements work?

Anonymous User wrote:I have a few years of WE and spoke with some KJDs who thought this a great program. Can someone with meaningful work history (consulting, IB, etc) who has now gone through oci discuss how beneficial it was vs what was already on your resume/cv? Not really looking for paralegals, interns, lsat tutors etc. I want to understand actual impact. TIA

I kind of hope you don't get an offer. And by kind of, I mean actually.

About to deposit at BU. Chances for SEO?

Anonymous User wrote:

DiniMae wrote:Are firms involved in the student selection process? Or does SEO just look for the types of candidates the firms want? Who's in the driver seat?

bumping this. additionally, could anyone speak on how firm placements work?

SEO matches you with a firm. You have no say and neither do the firms.

Anonymous User wrote:About to deposit at BU. Chances for SEO?

Honestly, probably not great. I don't think I know of any BU SEOs, partly because Boston isn't a market that SEO works with and re: Boston schools they have Harvard. I hope I'm wrong though. Good luck!

subtle wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:About to deposit at BU. Chances for SEO?

Honestly, probably not great. I don't think I know of any BU SEOs, partly because Boston isn't a market that SEO works with and re: Boston schools they have Harvard. I hope I'm wrong though. Good luck!

Agree. Chances are abysmally low.

Do they ever have talks at SEO's summer institute about the history of discrimination/segregation in the white shoe law firms? Like how the elite firms refused to hire Leon Higginbotham and Bill Coleman (they had insanely good credentials). Or the fact that John Davis (of Davis Polk) represented the segregationists in Brown v. Board?

Skool wrote:Do they ever have talks at SEO's summer institute about the history of discrimination/segregation in the white shoe law firms? Like how the elite firms refused to hire Leon Higginbotham and Bill Coleman (they had insanely good credentials). Or the fact that John Davis (of Davis Polk) represented the segregationists in Brown v. Board?

No. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds. And frankly, how would you even bring that up in a way that is respectful? To me, those sound like good topics for student orgs to cover within law school.

subtle wrote:

Skool wrote:Do they ever have talks at SEO's summer institute about the history of discrimination/segregation in the white shoe law firms? Like how the elite firms refused to hire Leon Higginbotham and Bill Coleman (they had insanely good credentials). Or the fact that John Davis (of Davis Polk) represented the segregationists in Brown v. Board?

No. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds. And frankly, how would you even bring that up in a way that is respectful? To me, those sound like good topics for student orgs to cover within law school.

Eh. You bring it up in a way that's truthful, respectful or not.

And if you're really asking, SEO's little logo is a flight of stairs. It's important to remember the old guys who built the actual stairs to these law firms, and it wasn't SEO. It's our profession and as people of color, our history within it is super fascinating.

In terms of our professional history, our social responsibility as attorneys of color, and our knowledge of the context we'll actually work in, there seems like there's plenty of angles from which to discuss this.

But whatever.

Edit: also, not all firms were equally villains. Paul Weiss was actually a legit hero.

Skool wrote:

subtle wrote:

Skool wrote:Do they ever have talks at SEO's summer institute about the history of discrimination/segregation in the white shoe law firms? Like how the elite firms refused to hire Leon Higginbotham and Bill Coleman (they had insanely good credentials). Or the fact that John Davis (of Davis Polk) represented the segregationists in Brown v. Board?

No. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds. And frankly, how would you even bring that up in a way that is respectful? To me, those sound like good topics for student orgs to cover within law school.

Eh. You bring it up in a way that's truthful, respectful or not.

And if you're really asking, SEO's little logo is a flight of stairs. It's important to remember the old guys who built the actual stairs to these law firms, and it wasn't SEO. It's our profession and as people of color, our history within it is super fascinating.

In terms of our professional history, our social responsibility as attorneys of color, and our knowledge of the context we'll actually work in, there seems like there's plenty of angles from which to discuss this.

But whatever.

Edit: also, not all firms were equally villains. Paul Weiss was actually a legit hero.

I say respectfully because of keeping your job.

I'm not at all trying to suggest that it isn't interesting or worth exploring. I'm just saying that, unfortunately, as long as talking about white people's (past) wrongs still make them uncomfortable and as long as they still control most things, be careful and do what you do purposefully, with eyes wide open.

Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys--I was recently offered a spot in New York.

Where do SEOs placed in New York typically live? Any recommendations for affordable housing options?

Folks live all over -- some with family, most sublet.
Most firms are in midtown, but handful of firms are downtown. I would recommend brooklyn -- brooklyn heights, downtown brooklyn, park slope -- so you don't have to commute from harlem/upper west side if you end up getting placed at WilmerHale or Cadwalader whose offices are in the financial district/world trade center.