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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby DiniMae » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:54 pm

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1. What are you paid? I read $1400 weekly many posts back, but is that net or gross?

It can vary a lot. Net pay my year ranged from $1200-$1600/wk. Some firms on the lower end track hours and pay overtime, so it can adjust up.

2. Which firms are known for inviting SEOs back for 1L?

A lot firms don't bring in 1Ls as a matter of course, but will give SEOs (both their own and others) automatic callbacks come OCI. The only firm I remember that brought back an appreciable number of SEOs is Paul Weiss, but that may have changed since my time.

3. If anyone clerked for 1L, what was their experience?

I don't know what you mean. Are you talking about a judicial internship for 1L summer? If so, those positions aren't SEO specific, but I know a number of people who did it and all of them enjoyed it. The only thing there is to be careful not to intern for a judge you think you'd want to clerk for. Most judges won't hire former interns as clerks.


Thank you for all the great info! Yes, I meant intern as a 1L (thanks for clarifying).

I assume the pay difference is related to firm size and market location.....

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:57 pm

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tyang wrote:the SEO website says Chicago is an option, but I didn't see a Chicago office listed for any of the firms. is it safe to infer Chicago won't place as many folks as NY/DC, etc., and therefore I should list a larger city as a first option?

Yeah I'd just avoid listing Chicago, unless you really want to go (or stay) there, in which case an email to SEO might not be out of order.

I had Chicago as my #3 (having very intelligently chosen cities before reviewing firms) and am replacing it with another city's firms for the interview. Will just see how it goes!


Isn't Chi a new addition? I guess it's for UChi and NU students?
In your interview they ask which firms you prefer? GTK

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Flokkness » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:03 am

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tyang wrote:the SEO website says Chicago is an option, but I didn't see a Chicago office listed for any of the firms. is it safe to infer Chicago won't place as many folks as NY/DC, etc., and therefore I should list a larger city as a first option?

Yeah I'd just avoid listing Chicago, unless you really want to go (or stay) there, in which case an email to SEO might not be out of order.

I had Chicago as my #3 (having very intelligently chosen cities before reviewing firms) and am replacing it with another city's firms for the interview. Will just see how it goes!


Isn't Chi a new addition? I guess it's for UChi and NU students?
In your interview they ask which firms you prefer? GTK

Would like to know as well. Nixed it for my interview to be on the safe side (which was the basis for my recommendation; because these are fairly tough interviews, the less you dangle out that smacks of poor prep the better), selecting another city with firms I could speak to instead. Should've asked during Q&A but was too busy crying inside. :P

But yeah, they asked me for 4-5 firms off the partner list that I'd like to work at. The other TLS poster I talked to who interviewed recently had the same question, so assuming it's the standard.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:46 pm

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:03 pm

The firm question isn't asked because they're going to give you one of those. They ask it to make sure you've actually done some research into practice groups firms are known for, specific people you may want to work with, etc. The substance of your answer only matters insofar as it is correct (i.e., don't say you want to go to Paul Weiss because they are a corporate focused firm) and shows you've thought about firm work seriously.

Also, don't do what I did in my interview a few years ago and mispronounce firm names. Some of them are hard (freaking Gotshal & Manges killed me), but you should know them. It's not something that'll matter much in the decision to accept you or not, in fact my interviewer laughed it off and gave me this link (http://law.duke.edu/career/pronunciation/), but you'd rather pronounce names correctly than not.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Flokkness » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:The firm question isn't asked because they're going to give you one of those. They ask it to make sure you've actually done some research into practice groups firms are known for, specific people you may want to work with, etc. The substance of your answer only matters insofar as it is correct (i.e., don't say you want to go to Paul Weiss because they are a corporate focused firm) and shows you've thought about firm work seriously.

Also, don't do what I did in my interview a few years ago and mispronounce firm names. Some of them are hard (freaking Gotshal & Manges killed me), but you should know them. It's not something that'll matter much in the decision to accept you or not, in fact my interviewer laughed it off and gave me this link (http://law.duke.edu/career/pronunciation/), but you'd rather pronounce names correctly than not.


That link is epic.

Did you end up getting a firm you spoke about, or have you known anybody to?
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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby 90convoy » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:The firm question isn't asked because they're going to give you one of those. They ask it to make sure you've actually done some research into practice groups firms are known for, specific people you may want to work with, etc. The substance of your answer only matters insofar as it is correct (i.e., don't say you want to go to Paul Weiss because they are a corporate focused firm) and shows you've thought about firm work seriously.

Also, don't do what I did in my interview a few years ago and mispronounce firm names. Some of them are hard (freaking Gotshal & Manges killed me), but you should know them. It's not something that'll matter much in the decision to accept you or not, in fact my interviewer laughed it off and gave me this link (http://law.duke.edu/career/pronunciation/), but you'd rather pronounce names correctly than not.



wish I would have had this! i mispronounced a name. God it was so embarrassing lol

but yeah, they laughed about it and idk if thats bad or not

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Flokkness » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:03 pm

90convoy wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The firm question isn't asked because they're going to give you one of those. They ask it to make sure you've actually done some research into practice groups firms are known for, specific people you may want to work with, etc. The substance of your answer only matters insofar as it is correct (i.e., don't say you want to go to Paul Weiss because they are a corporate focused firm) and shows you've thought about firm work seriously.

Also, don't do what I did in my interview a few years ago and mispronounce firm names. Some of them are hard (freaking Gotshal & Manges killed me), but you should know them. It's not something that'll matter much in the decision to accept you or not, in fact my interviewer laughed it off and gave me this link (http://law.duke.edu/career/pronunciation/), but you'd rather pronounce names correctly than not.



wish I would have had this! i mispronounced a name. God it was so embarrassing lol

but yeah, they laughed about it and idk if thats bad or not

I said Covington & Burlington. Also good for a laugh. They must hear that kind of stuff all the time. 8)

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:27 pm

Flokkness wrote:Did you end up getting a firm you spoke about, or have you known anybody to?


The only person I know of who said they'd want to work at a firm and got it wanted to go to their alumni recommender's firm, was interested in that firms bread and butter, and shared an undergrad with a number of the firm's black partners. Basically it would have been a perfect fit regardless of what firms they mentioned. That said, I only know what that person said in their interview because they told me. For all I know 50% of ppl may get their stated preference firm. Some correlation wouldn't surprise me since interests and firm strengths match up when they match up, but it isn't like you get to select where you go.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Flokkness » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:00 pm

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Flokkness wrote:Did you end up getting a firm you spoke about, or have you known anybody to?


The only person I know of who said they'd want to work at a firm and got it wanted to go to their alumni recommender's firm, was interested in that firms bread and butter, and shared an undergrad with a number of the firm's black partners. Basically it would have been a perfect fit regardless of what firms they mentioned. That said, I only know what that person said in their interview because they told me. For all I know 50% of ppl may get their stated preference firm. Some correlation wouldn't surprise me since interests and firm strengths match up when they match up, but it isn't like you get to select where you go.

Thanks for the response. Also, on behalf of myself, others, and the lurker applicants - thanks for checking in, period. SEO alums seem to be in very short supply and all of you have great advice. Will definitely pay that forward in the unlikely event that I get placed.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby subtle » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:12 pm

Most people don't get their preferred firms and the firms don't get to choose their SEOs either.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:21 pm

If chosen, how much money do I save for suits? Is poly blend unacceptable? Are 5 enough?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If chosen, how much money do I save for suits? Is poly blend unacceptable? Are 5 enough?


cant comment on poly blend, but I made it through the summer just fine with 2 suits -- one blue, one gray

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:31 pm

Most firms also have some degree of business casual, so a suit isn't necessary unless you're going to an SEO panel that evening or some firm event.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:03 am

Anonymous User wrote:Most firms also have some degree of business casual, so a suit isn't necessary unless you're going to an SEO panel that evening or some firm event.



The firm I was at last summer required a full suit everyday. Never business casual except for one time we got to change for a firm outting. I had 2 black and 2 blue suits for the summer. All I got for extremely low prices at Burlingto Coat Factory/ Macy's/ etc.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:08 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Most firms also have some degree of business casual, so a suit isn't necessary unless you're going to an SEO panel that evening or some firm event.



The firm I was at last summer required a full suit everyday. Never business casual except for one time we got to change for a firm outting. I had 2 black and 2 blue suits for the summer. All I got for extremely low prices at Burlingto Coat Factory/ Macy's/ etc.


Sorry about Wachtell, bro. My summer, one of their SEOs looked at me with a straight face and said "well, sometimes we can take our jackets off."

EDIT: They also haven't the decency to hire their own SEOs or give them an auto callback.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Tr3 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:05 pm

Would anyone who has done an interview be willing to PM me some info? What was it like? What should I prepare? etc. I'm particularly curious about the reading part of the interview. Please an thank you!

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:14 am

Tr3 wrote:Would anyone who has done an interview be willing to PM me some info? What was it like? What should I prepare? etc. I'm particularly curious about the reading part of the interview. Please an thank you!


the reading part is laughably easy; i wouldn't stress over it -- no need to prepare for it

just take your time, you'll be fine

- former SEO

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:43 am

Yeah, these interviews aren't a huge deal. The articles they use are short, and they aren't expecting you to cite caselaw. My year the snippet was a very common knowledge happening regarding Netflix and my highly non-legal response boiled down to fairness. They want to see you think and defend your position a little.

Know your resume, be able to answer "why law", and know a couple firms that are great at what you want to do. That last part seems like something you may want to cram, but it isn't. "I really think I want to do M&A, so a firm like Cravath or Sullivan & Cromwell would be a good place to get started." "Litigation is my main focus coming into law school, but I also think I want to try some sports law work, so Proskauer would be my preference." Either statement has you 80% of the way to a great answer. Vault, google and TLS can tell you which firms are "best" at what.

This may not be comforting, but 90% of what is going to factor into your candidacy isn't within your control. Undergrad, grades, LSAT, where you get accepted, participation in an SEO program, and prior post-grad work experience. A well written "additional information" is good, but you only get 2000 characters. Unless you can't act like a normal person for the length of an interview, you're as in contention as anyone else.

The program accepts ~95 ppl a year, so this is going to be your introduction to the seemingly random unfairness that is law school. Stop trying to divine info from interviewee application dates, or trying to get some edge in the interview.

You want to help yourself get admitted to the program? Here are my tips, in order of importance:
1) Have a good application (90% of this is already decided as I stated above)
2) Get accepted to the T14 (all markets), or UCLA(CA), UT(TX), GW(DC). Atlanta is new, so maybe Emory for that market.
3) Don't be a weirdo
4) Get an alumni rec if you know an SEO. (Not sure if you know an SEO? Do a Facebook search. Type "SEO" into the search bar, click the spyglass and see if any of your friends used the term. Law program alumni are obviously preferred, but anyone who was in the career program is better than no one)
5) Go to Harvard or Columbia. Depending on the year, a plurality or majority of SEOs seem to go to these schools. This is correlation, not causation. They are the top ranked large class size schools, so this isn't unexpected.
...) Everything else
infinity) Read short articles about legal topics and think about your opinion of them

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby AOT » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:13 am

Tr3 wrote:Would anyone who has done an interview be willing to PM me some info? What was it like? What should I prepare? etc. I'm particularly curious about the reading part of the interview. Please an thank you!

x2!


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Tr3 wrote:Would anyone who has done an interview be willing to PM me some info? What was it like? What should I prepare? etc. I'm particularly curious about the reading part of the interview. Please an thank you!


the reading part is laughably easy; i wouldn't stress over it -- no need to prepare for it

just take your time, you'll be fine

- former SEO


Really? My interview is pretty soon and I've completely failed to even think about it. I don't really know much (anything) about corporate law either.

I remember reading some info about interview prep somewhere on TLS but can't remember where. Could anyone point me in the right direction?

e: totally failed to read the above post, which is actually v helpful

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:34 pm

alloverthat wrote:
Tr3 wrote:Would anyone who has done an interview be willing to PM me some info? What was it like? What should I prepare? etc. I'm particularly curious about the reading part of the interview. Please an thank you!

x2!


Anonymous User wrote:
Tr3 wrote:Would anyone who has done an interview be willing to PM me some info? What was it like? What should I prepare? etc. I'm particularly curious about the reading part of the interview. Please an thank you!


the reading part is laughably easy; i wouldn't stress over it -- no need to prepare for it

just take your time, you'll be fine

- former SEO


Really? My interview is pretty soon and I've completely failed to even think about it. I don't really know much (anything) about corporate law either.

I remember reading some info about interview prep somewhere on TLS but can't remember where. Could anyone point me in the right direction?

e: totally failed to read the above post, which is actually v helpful


you should definitely prepare for the interview itself, the reading/responsive part is what you shouldn't bother preparing for

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:59 pm

For those who have interviewed in New York, is the interview held at their headquarters (55 exchange etc)?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For those who have interviewed in New York, is the interview held at their headquarters (55 exchange etc)?



Anyone?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:02 am

How do you do the reading part on a skype interview?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby DiniMae » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:08 am

Thanks to the last Anon for the post re: tips.

Question about housing to any alums: How does it work? Are you left to fend for yourself? I'm applying to CA from DC (in at Berkeley) and am concerned about their practice of last minute selections (May last year they were taking people). That hardly seems to be enough time to pack, sell/move stuff & get to the other side of the country & explore housing options.

I'm no K-JD so I actually have a household, not just clothes. Plus, when I move, I'm not coming back. I'd stay out there because of school. All of this is NOT to say I'd decline, I'm just asking about logistics. Thanks.




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