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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:02 pm

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Hey, thanks for the more reasoned response. We're referring to the actions taken particularly through last year's thread (several members have com forth this year) by SEO. They contacted the individually compiling how many acceptances there were and which law school they were attending and asked them to stop. Why? Why can't we know which schools give you the best chance with actual hard evidence? What are they hiding?

There were others who were actually accepted which were contacted after they got in and chastised for divulging too much info on TLS. Besides that you have the alums popping in scaring the shit out of everyone. Yea, there is no gun to anyone's head. But when you use subtle fear of rejection from the program by alums, it can have a chilling effect on speech. (saw what I did there?)

Whatever, people disagree on this issue. I understand what a great program it is. And I can understand the pride alums have in the program. But that is no reason to just totally cast aside any form of criticism. No system/program is perfect, and maybe its an area for improvement. Many grievances are coming from legitimate concerns but their opinion is characterized as entitled whining. I don't know, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle and I think in this case that might be the case.


The angry alum from above. Who is casting aside any form of criticism? Am I? I am attacking the way in which its being done. I agree that there are things to be legitimately unhappy about but the way multiple people are doing it is just whiny.

"I expressed a similar opinion and I was all but rhetorically lynched by several people. It amazes me how much "future lawyers" will easily roll over to a culture of gag. Seems they will make great underlings for their corporate overlords."

"But keep up the anonymous SEO trolling, I'm sure it'll get you a spot."

"Well, it seems the groupthink has really took a turn for the worse so I'll stop commenting. Any opinion outside of one's own seems to be considered whining. We'll make great lawyers one day."

"The whole irony is the fact that they interview you on random campuses and once announced rejections on a public forum. Yeah, that's professional. If they're reading this they should realize there is a growing contingent of disillusioned alums out there. I mean it pays but we're not talking SA money here. In fact, one is almost better off finding a position on one's own without the albatross. In time, they'll start instructing candidates on how and when to breathe in a corporate environment."

"Their misplaced infatuation with stamping out all forms of "ghettoness" is amusing. You'd think they were dealing with kindergartners. "


lol ok

"It's not what you're saying it's how you're saying it!"

Whining about the way others are whining. Great way to take away from the actual issues though. I think there's a name for that.

By the way, for someone so concerned with proper rhetoric, you sure have a loose tongue yourself:

"If you are so repulsed by these "future lawyers" then drop the fuck out of the program."

"Take your shit elsewhere because SEO sure as hell doesn't need a whiny little brat like you."


Not to mention the plenty of responses from your cohorts.


You are completely missing my point. You are whining about a fantastic opportunity not being to your liking in a way that is just childish. You sound entitled. I don't care if you curse. Thats not the issue. The issue is you're whining about the program and saying you are some terrible victim. I am not doing those things. I am saying you are. If you can't see the distinction between me and you and can't even fathom why people are telling you to STFU then I'm done. Go ahead and revel in your ignorance.

Ok enough of these anonymous user internet battles. I hope the thread can go back to being useful for applicants. Good luck everyone.



Besides the fact that you're lumping me with all those other comments you're quoting, you're also ignoring the fact that you've really mischaracterized my comments. Entitled? Yea, cause I totally said I deserved to get in and that my spot should have my name in gold letter plating. (I actually commented extensively how I don't deserve a spot any more than any one else, and that many, if not most candidates have better credentials than I do.) But the facts are lost through prejudicial eyes. Complaining about PROCESS makes me entitled? Ok, but to me it seems that that whole 'entitled' label is being thrown around to anyone on this thread (and no, I'm not the only one that has complained, I don't even know how you could make that assumption, I've read plenty of others' posts criticizing various aspects and it only minimizes their opinions to conveniently lump it all as originating from one lone 'whiner') who has any criticism of SEO. All you have to do is realize that some are complaining about the application process, some about the acceptance process, and some about once you actually get in. So... yea.

Now if you actually followed this debate to its origin you would see that there was never any attempt made to engage it civilly. From the very first criticisms which weren't very rhetorically over the top, the response by some other TLSers was "stop whining! GTFO!! STFU!!!" so excuse us for getting a little heated.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:24 pm

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Besides the fact that you're lumping me with all those other comments you're quoting, you're also ignoring the fact that you've really mischaracterized my comments. Entitled? Yea, cause I totally said I deserved to get in and that my spot should have my name in gold letter plating. (I actually commented extensively how I don't deserve a spot any more than any one else, and that many, if not most candidates have better credentials than I do.) But the facts are lost through prejudicial eyes. Complaining about PROCESS makes me entitled? Ok, but to me it seems that that whole 'entitled' label is being thrown around to anyone on this thread (and no, I'm not the only one that has complained, I don't even know how you could make that assumption, I've read plenty of others' posts criticizing various aspects and it only minimizes their opinions to conveniently lump it all as originating from one lone 'whiner') who has any criticism of SEO. All you have to do is realize that some are complaining about the application process, some about the acceptance process, and some about once you actually get in. So... yea.

Now if you actually followed this debate to its origin you would see that there was never any attempt made to engage it civilly. From the very first criticisms which weren't very rhetorically over the top, the response by some other TLSers was "stop whining! GTFO!! STFU!!!" so excuse us for getting a little heated.


your complaints about the process are not legitimate.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby hoopydoodie » Fri May 04, 2012 5:29 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:

Besides the fact that you're lumping me with all those other comments you're quoting, you're also ignoring the fact that you've really mischaracterized my comments. Entitled? Yea, cause I totally said I deserved to get in and that my spot should have my name in gold letter plating. (I actually commented extensively how I don't deserve a spot any more than any one else, and that many, if not most candidates have better credentials than I do.) But the facts are lost through prejudicial eyes. Complaining about PROCESS makes me entitled? Ok, but to me it seems that that whole 'entitled' label is being thrown around to anyone on this thread (and no, I'm not the only one that has complained, I don't even know how you could make that assumption, I've read plenty of others' posts criticizing various aspects and it only minimizes their opinions to conveniently lump it all as originating from one lone 'whiner') who has any criticism of SEO. All you have to do is realize that some are complaining about the application process, some about the acceptance process, and some about once you actually get in. So... yea.

Now if you actually followed this debate to its origin you would see that there was never any attempt made to engage it civilly. From the very first criticisms which weren't very rhetorically over the top, the response by some other TLSers was "stop whining! GTFO!! STFU!!!" so excuse us for getting a little heated.


your complaints about the process are not legitimate.


y'all! let it go. let it go. let it go. just let it go. for those who haven't been accepted yet, I didn't find out until last Friday. my initial interview was in February and I deposited in March. I'd imagined they'd have the class filled by now, but per their communication with us, I have no reason to believe that is the case.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:43 pm

Soooo since this thread seems to have digressed a bit I'll pose my question again...has anyone this year been accepted without a follow-up interview?? I know in years past there was a mix of follow-up/no follow-up acceptances, but this year it seems like they're relying pretty heavily on the follow-up interview - thoughts??

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:

Besides the fact that you're lumping me with all those other comments you're quoting, you're also ignoring the fact that you've really mischaracterized my comments. Entitled? Yea, cause I totally said I deserved to get in and that my spot should have my name in gold letter plating. (I actually commented extensively how I don't deserve a spot any more than any one else, and that many, if not most candidates have better credentials than I do.) But the facts are lost through prejudicial eyes. Complaining about PROCESS makes me entitled? Ok, but to me it seems that that whole 'entitled' label is being thrown around to anyone on this thread (and no, I'm not the only one that has complained, I don't even know how you could make that assumption, I've read plenty of others' posts criticizing various aspects and it only minimizes their opinions to conveniently lump it all as originating from one lone 'whiner') who has any criticism of SEO. All you have to do is realize that some are complaining about the application process, some about the acceptance process, and some about once you actually get in. So... yea.

Now if you actually followed this debate to its origin you would see that there was never any attempt made to engage it civilly. From the very first criticisms which weren't very rhetorically over the top, the response by some other TLSers was "stop whining! GTFO!! STFU!!!" so excuse us for getting a little heated.


your complaints about the process are not legitimate.


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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Fri May 04, 2012 5:45 pm

SEO didn’t ask us last year to stop tracking or talking about the program openly on TLS. In fact, in an email, they sent alumni, they even seemed to encourage us promoting the program on here on what they call a “semi-anonymous” message board. For the most part, we all really loved the program and I guess you can see on here that alumni get defensive about it.

You guys shouldn’t be afraid to talk openly about it—voicing your fears, concerns, and questions. You’re not going to get auto-rejected because they figure out who you are--simply for posting on TLS, lol.

But as a caveat-- and this doesn’t apply to anyone in particular here-- you shouldn’t talk trash and gossip about your firm, or job, in general in a public place (from online message boards to subways to cabs). If you said critical things about the firm you were working for (SEO, 1L, 2L SA, or full time associate) on TLS, and recruiters and partners figured out who you are, you bet your ass they’d be pissed about it. SEO is no different.

Also, if you act like an asshat on TLS and your character on here is super sketchy, your reputation bleeds over into SEO, so you can understand why they’d be hesitant to admit someone with poor judgment and who might embarrass the program in the future.

But it sounds like for the most part, you guys seem to be pretty level-headed about talking about the program (and I’m going to trust that your post history isn’t shit). So you should feel free to not post anonymous out of fear they’ll hold it against you.

I will say that in terms of offering constructive feedback to SEO, I’m not sure what you’re going to get out of doing it here. You should have those conversations with Luisa and Tamesha openly, instead of hiding behind an anonymous name. They’ll listen and decide if what you’re saying is feasible/possible or whether they’ll ignore your advice, like any good manager would do.

Venting can be fine, but understand that sometimes it can be construed as being ungrateful or bossy—which seems to piss off alumni.

In terms of fear from last year, I believed the fiasco last year centered around the fact that the alum misunderstood his conversation with his interviewer and posted info on here that wasn’t exactly accurate (orwasn’t in line with what SEO wanted). I think where they have a problem is people perpetuating misinformation and gossip about the program.

Be open and civil about the conversation and your feelings, but use good judgment about what kinds of things you should post here and what things are better left under "anonymous" or said to SEO to their face.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:y'all! let it go. let it go. let it go. just let it go. for those who haven't been accepted yet, I didn't find out until last Friday. my initial interview was in February and I deposited in March. I'd imagined they'd have the class filled by now, but per their communication with us, I have no reason to believe that is the case.


Thanks for the reassurance. I have a similar timeline to yours and haven't heard from them since my initial interview in late January.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Soooo since this thread seems to have digressed a bit I'll pose my question again...has anyone this year been accepted without a follow-up interview?? I know in years past there was a mix follow-up/no follow-up acceptances, but this year it seems like they're relying pretty heavily on the follow-up interview - thoughts??


I interviewed this past week, and they said they wouldn't be offering new follow-ups, though I think that only applies to those interviewed this week.

They've been swamped logistically with the whole Dewey & LeBoeuf fiasco, and they're really doing their best to finalize decisions and get them to us in the next few days.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri May 04, 2012 5:59 pm

Guchster wrote:SEO didn’t ask us last year to stop tracking or talking about the program openly on TLS. In fact, in an email, they sent alumni, they even seemed to encourage us promoting the program on here on what they call a “semi-anonymous” message board. For the most part, we all really loved the program and I guess you can see on here that alumni get defensive about it.

You guys shouldn’t be afraid to talk openly about it—voicing your fears, concerns, and questions. You’re not going to get auto-rejected because they figure out who you are--simply for posting on TLS, lol.

But as a caveat-- and this doesn’t apply to anyone in particular here-- you shouldn’t talk trash and gossip about your firm, or job, in general in a public place (from online message boards to subways to cabs). If you said critical things about the firm you were working for (SEO, 1L, 2L SA, or full time associate) on TLS, and recruiters and partners figured out who you are, you bet your ass they’d be pissed about it. SEO is no different.

Also, if you act like an asshat on TLS and your character on here is super sketchy, your reputation bleeds over into SEO, so you can understand why they’d be hesitant to admit someone with poor judgment and who might embarrass the program in the future.

But it sounds like for the most part, you guys seem to be pretty level-headed about talking about the program (and I’m going to trust that your post history isn’t shit). So you should feel free to not post anonymous out of fear they’ll hold it against you.

I will say that in terms of offering constructive feedback to SEO, I’m not sure what you’re going to get out of doing it here. You should have those conversations with Luisa and Tamesha openly, instead of hiding behind an anonymous name. They’ll listen and decide if what you’re saying is feasible/possible or whether they’ll ignore your advice, like any good manager would do.

Venting can be fine, but understand that sometimes it can be construed as being ungrateful or bossy—which seems to piss off alumni.

In terms of fear from last year, I believed the fiasco last year centered around the fact that the alum misunderstood his conversation with his interviewer and posted info on here that wasn’t exactly accurate (orwasn’t in line with what SEO wanted). I think where they have a problem is people perpetuating misinformation and gossip about the program.

Be open and civil about the conversation and your feelings, but use good judgment about what kinds of things you should post here and what things are better left under "anonymous" or said to SEO to their face.



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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby hyakku » Fri May 04, 2012 6:31 pm

Seeing an alum like Guchster makes me feel like the drawn out screening process is 10000% worth it. If everyone's like this I think a lot of my growth will come from interacting with other people, not just working in the firm.

G, since my question got buried in the anon battle, could you maybe comment or link me back to that page where someone moves up in the T-14 after being accepted? I'm currently in a dilemma like this and weighing out a lot of factors.

Edit: Also someone misquoted me up there. I spent nearly five minutes trying to figure out where I wrote that (and when I started writing so differently) until I caught that lol.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 06, 2012 3:50 am

What is SEO Corporate Law?
-Baffled 0L

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 06, 2012 7:54 am

Anonymous User wrote:What is SEO Corporate Law?
-Baffled 0L


Cmon now, it's really not difficult to google it

http://www.seo-usa.org/career/internship-overviews/corporate-law

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby 1212 » Sun May 06, 2012 11:37 am

For any new admits that haven't seen my previous posts, PM me for the link to the private FB group for accepted students.


Its a much friendlier place than in here, I promise!

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby cutecarmel » Sun May 06, 2012 10:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:

Besides the fact that you're lumping me with all those other comments you're quoting, you're also ignoring the fact that you've really mischaracterized my comments. Entitled? Yea, cause I totally said I deserved to get in and that my spot should have my name in gold letter plating. (I actually commented extensively how I don't deserve a spot any more than any one else, and that many, if not most candidates have better credentials than I do.) But the facts are lost through prejudicial eyes. Complaining about PROCESS makes me entitled? Ok, but to me it seems that that whole 'entitled' label is being thrown around to anyone on this thread (and no, I'm not the only one that has complained, I don't even know how you could make that assumption, I've read plenty of others' posts criticizing various aspects and it only minimizes their opinions to conveniently lump it all as originating from one lone 'whiner') who has any criticism of SEO. All you have to do is realize that some are complaining about the application process, some about the acceptance process, and some about once you actually get in. So... yea.

Now if you actually followed this debate to its origin you would see that there was never any attempt made to engage it civilly. From the very first criticisms which weren't very rhetorically over the top, the response by some other TLSers was "stop whining! GTFO!! STFU!!!" so excuse us for getting a little heated.


your complaints about the process are not legitimate.


This anonymous-on-anonymous violence has got to stop... :lol: . This website amuses me to no end.

On another note, has anyone received an outright rejection from SEO. My file is complete, but I haven't gotten any notification whatsoever as to my status. I've contacted them but no one has responded. I'm ok being rejected because I have at least one other job lined up, but do they actually "reject" anyone or do they leave you wondering?

Just FYI, I applied in Nov or Dec (Its been so long I don't remember when exactly). My application status has been complete since I applied. I've check the application and haven't been rejected. I haven't gotten an interview, phone call, email, or anything.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 11:56 am

Anyone who's had the followup interview and deposited at a T14 still waiting?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 12:01 pm

cutecarmel wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:

Besides the fact that you're lumping me with all those other comments you're quoting, you're also ignoring the fact that you've really mischaracterized my comments. Entitled? Yea, cause I totally said I deserved to get in and that my spot should have my name in gold letter plating. (I actually commented extensively how I don't deserve a spot any more than any one else, and that many, if not most candidates have better credentials than I do.) But the facts are lost through prejudicial eyes. Complaining about PROCESS makes me entitled? Ok, but to me it seems that that whole 'entitled' label is being thrown around to anyone on this thread (and no, I'm not the only one that has complained, I don't even know how you could make that assumption, I've read plenty of others' posts criticizing various aspects and it only minimizes their opinions to conveniently lump it all as originating from one lone 'whiner') who has any criticism of SEO. All you have to do is realize that some are complaining about the application process, some about the acceptance process, and some about once you actually get in. So... yea.

Now if you actually followed this debate to its origin you would see that there was never any attempt made to engage it civilly. From the very first criticisms which weren't very rhetorically over the top, the response by some other TLSers was "stop whining! GTFO!! STFU!!!" so excuse us for getting a little heated.


your complaints about the process are not legitimate.


This anonymous-on-anonymous violence has got to stop... :lol: . This website amuses me to no end.

On another note, has anyone received an outright rejection from SEO. My file is complete, but I haven't gotten any notification whatsoever as to my status. I've contacted them but no one has responded. I'm ok being rejected because I have at least one other job lined up, but do they actually "reject" anyone or do they leave you wondering?

Just FYI, I applied in Nov or Dec (Its been so long I don't remember when exactly). My application status has been complete since I applied. I've check the application and haven't been rejected. I haven't gotten an interview, phone call, email, or anything.


they'll reject you.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby cutecarmel » Mon May 07, 2012 1:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
cutecarmel wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
This anonymous-on-anonymous violence has got to stop... :lol: . This website amuses me to no end.

On another note, has anyone received an outright rejection from SEO. My file is complete, but I haven't gotten any notification whatsoever as to my status. I've contacted them but no one has responded. I'm ok being rejected because I have at least one other job lined up, but do they actually "reject" anyone or do they leave you wondering?

Just FYI, I applied in Nov or Dec (Its been so long I don't remember when exactly). My application status has been complete since I applied. I've check the application and haven't been rejected. I haven't gotten an interview, phone call, email, or anything.


they'll reject you.


Do they usually get around to it before law school starts?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 1:44 pm

Just got in today, don't give up hope.

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 1:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just got in today, don't give up hope.


Any indications about timeline?

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby me!0712 » Mon May 07, 2012 1:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone who's had the followup interview and deposited at a T14 still waiting?


Yup. Me. Had my follow up last week and still waiting... I wonder how long after a follow up we are supposed to hear back??

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 1:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just got in today, don't give up hope.


Also, follow up interview? What did you submit or interview? Dont have to give exact, just wanted to know whether it was recent or not

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 2:03 pm

Anyone not had a follow up interview still waiting - deposited T3 end of April, first interview in January and still nothing :(

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 2:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got in today, don't give up hope.


Also, follow up interview? What did you submit or interview? Dont have to give exact, just wanted to know whether it was recent or not



follow up and deposit a few weeks back

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 2:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone not had a follow up interview still waiting - deposited T3 end of April, first interview in January and still nothing :(


Had interview in late jan, and deposited at T6... :(
Was a bit late with my rec and got it in mid april with my deposit.

Are we out?!

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Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 07, 2012 2:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone not had a follow up interview still waiting - deposited T3 end of April, first interview in January and still nothing :(


Had interview in late jan, and deposited at T6... :(
Was a bit late with my rec and got it in mid april with my deposit.

Are we out?!


Dunno [sigh] had all my stuff in by end of February, but just sent my deposit in two weeks ago. I called to confirm they'd received it and was told that someone would likely contact me for a follow up interview later that week, but then silence - not sure what to make of it. I'm hoping it means that they're just swamped, but the fact that so many people were asked to follow up interview before depositing at all makes me really nervous...




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