SEO Corporate Law

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
jd20132013
Posts: 997
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:41 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby jd20132013 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:05 pm

good to see this topic back up. can't believe it's been a year already

User avatar
Guchster
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:50 pm

Neatrends wrote:
icedflames wrote:I've got my interview on Thursday, any advice?
Is it just full of the normal interview questions?


NO. From what I recall they use the 'stress interview' technique, which means one or more people ask you a bunch of questions rapidly in a way as to make you nervous and under pressure.

And what does everyone men by polish? just dressing well and speaking well?


Look is this thread for more details about the interview. I wouldn't say they ask questions in a rapid way--it's more they ask regular questions in a tough manner (phrasing the question someone brashly or sometimes seeming disinterested or unimpressed). It's meant to mimic a tough, big law interview.

I've had ~8-9 1L summer associate interviews and I'd say about 1/3 (maybe a little less) were as tough as my SEO interview (note, associates are all really nice usually, it's the hiring partners that can be the mean ones). One interview was even more hardcore. The partner had his feet on the desk, was checking his phone, and constantly shut down my questions and answers by saying they were irrelevant and meaningless and required more thought--I still got the job! LOL!

By polish, people mean acting as professional as possible. Speaking/dressing appropriately are necessary but not sufficient (i.e., wearing a WHITE SHIRT!!! (if you're a guy) to the interview w/ navy blue or charcoal suit (any other color, including tacky pin stripes is inappropriate for SEO) , belt matching shoes, shoes are shined, MUST be clean-shaven speaking in a professional, normal paced tone. Polish can mean answering questions tactfully, giving well-thought out responses, presence with good, positive, and controlled energy, the ability to act interested and intrigued when maybe you do not really feel that way, having the social skills that would make you a good networker, being able to make great eye contact, ability to act calm, positive, and turn around uncomfortable/negative questions and situations. Most of all, charisma and self-control. When I think of polish, i think of something that has been finely finished with thought and effort who would stick out to you in a room of 78 people as someone you'd want to work for you.

ETA: For those that watched the SEO videos on the website, while most answers are an example of good polish, they were definitely not dressed in SEO attire. I remember this was filmed on the last few days of SEO's CLI, and people were burned out/tired and they rewarded us by letting us dress business casual (as it was the end of summer and during one of NYC's heat waves we had).

User avatar
Neatrends
Posts: 121
Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:33 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Neatrends » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:46 pm

Guchster wrote:
Neatrends wrote:
icedflames wrote:I've got my interview on Thursday, any advice?
Is it just full of the normal interview questions?


NO. From what I recall they use the 'stress interview' technique, which means one or more people ask you a bunch of questions rapidly in a way as to make you nervous and under pressure.

And what does everyone men by polish? just dressing well and speaking well?


Look is this thread for more details about the interview. I wouldn't say they ask questions in a rapid way--it's more they ask regular questions in a tough manner (phrasing the question someone brashly or sometimes seeming disinterested or unimpressed). It's meant to mimic a tough, big law interview.

I've had ~8-9 1L summer associate interviews and I'd say about 1/3 (maybe a little less) were as tough as my SEO interview (note, associates are all really nice usually, it's the hiring partners that can be the mean ones). One interview was even more hardcore. The partner had his feet on the desk, was checking his phone, and constantly shut down my questions and answers by saying they were irrelevant and meaningless and required more thought--I still got the job! LOL!

By polish, people mean acting as professional as possible. Speaking/dressing appropriately are necessary but not sufficient (i.e., wearing a WHITE SHIRT!!! (if you're a guy) to the interview w/ navy blue or charcoal suit (any other color, including tacky pin stripes is inappropriate for SEO) , belt matching shoes, shoes are shined, MUST be clean-shaven speaking in a professional, normal paced tone. Polish can mean answering questions tactfully, giving well-thought out responses, presence with good, positive, and controlled energy, the ability to act interested and intrigued when maybe you do not really feel that way, having the social skills that would make you a good networker, being able to make great eye contact, ability to act calm, positive, and turn around uncomfortable/negative questions and situations. Most of all, charisma and self-control. When I think of polish, i think of something that has been finely finished with thought and effort who would stick out to you in a room of 78 people as someone you'd want to work for you.

ETA: For those that watched the SEO videos on the website, while most answers are an example of good polish, they were definitely not dressed in SEO attire. I remember this was filmed on the last few days of SEO's CLI, and people were burned out/tired and they rewarded us by letting us dress business casual (as it was the end of summer and during one of NYC's heat waves we had).



This helps a great deal in defining polish. Wouldn't most or all the things you listed apply in ANY formal interview, though?

User avatar
Guchster
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:58 pm

Neatrends wrote:
Guchster wrote:
Neatrends wrote:
icedflames wrote:I've got my interview on Thursday, any advice?
Is it just full of the normal interview questions?


NO. From what I recall they use the 'stress interview' technique, which means one or more people ask you a bunch of questions rapidly in a way as to make you nervous and under pressure.

And what does everyone men by polish? just dressing well and speaking well?


Look is this thread for more details about the interview. I wouldn't say they ask questions in a rapid way--it's more they ask regular questions in a tough manner (phrasing the question someone brashly or sometimes seeming disinterested or unimpressed). It's meant to mimic a tough, big law interview.

I've had ~8-9 1L summer associate interviews and I'd say about 1/3 (maybe a little less) were as tough as my SEO interview (note, associates are all really nice usually, it's the hiring partners that can be the mean ones). One interview was even more hardcore. The partner had his feet on the desk, was checking his phone, and constantly shut down my questions and answers by saying they were irrelevant and meaningless and required more thought--I still got the job! LOL!

By polish, people mean acting as professional as possible. Speaking/dressing appropriately are necessary but not sufficient (i.e., wearing a WHITE SHIRT!!! (if you're a guy) to the interview w/ navy blue or charcoal suit (any other color, including tacky pin stripes is inappropriate for SEO) , belt matching shoes, shoes are shined, MUST be clean-shaven speaking in a professional, normal paced tone. Polish can mean answering questions tactfully, giving well-thought out responses, presence with good, positive, and controlled energy, the ability to act interested and intrigued when maybe you do not really feel that way, having the social skills that would make you a good networker, being able to make great eye contact, ability to act calm, positive, and turn around uncomfortable/negative questions and situations. Most of all, charisma and self-control. When I think of polish, i think of something that has been finely finished with thought and effort who would stick out to you in a room of 78 people as someone you'd want to work for you.

ETA: For those that watched the SEO videos on the website, while most answers are an example of good polish, they were definitely not dressed in SEO attire. I remember this was filmed on the last few days of SEO's CLI, and people were burned out/tired and they rewarded us by letting us dress business casual (as it was the end of summer and during one of NYC's heat waves we had).



This helps a great deal in defining polish. Wouldn't most or all the things you listed apply in ANY formal interview, though?


That's exactly the point of SEO's criterion of assessing your value as a candidate. Those are valuable professional skills that are important to most types of jobs, and will be particularly important as a big law lawyer (hence the reason SEO will take/reject based on your ability to embody these things).

I think your point also highlights the fact that there isn't some magical formula or special trick that is SEO-specific.The program recognizes it's a conduit for a professional career and never tries to be anything else (everything it does, it does because those skills/ethics/performances are required of the places they'll put you at). Those places (i.e., V30) just look for the most refined candidates--both in the way your present yourself as well as your background (when you don't have things like grades yet to serve as a more objective standard).

User avatar
JAJAcinco
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:19 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby JAJAcinco » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:52 pm

this thread is great thanks to all the alumni for contributing. on the app, they ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime. how much detail is necessary?

same as the law school apps or are their other considerations I should keep in mind of answering this question? (ex. despite this past offense, I am still very polished because...)

User avatar
Guchster
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 pm

JAJAcinco wrote:this thread is great thanks to all the alumni for contributing. on the app, they ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime. how much detail is necessary?

same as the law school apps or are their other considerations I should keep in mind of answering this question? (ex. despite this past offense, I am still very polished because...)


Hmm... great question. I would be as honest as possible with them. I'd say write close to the same thing as you did on your law school aps (copy paste?)-- maybe adding that last part about what you learned from this experience that will serve as a helpful life lesson or applicable to big law would be a great idea. I don't think you need to explain how you're soft skills outdo this offense, cuz SEO will make that determination themselves in your interview.

ETA: Law schools are a SUPER important place to disclose everything, because failure to do so will mean you fail you're C&F and thus cannot take the bar exam. In terms of SEO, almost every firm does background checks before they officially hire you (at least mine did). Thus, if you get the program, your firm is going to find out ANYWAY--if you tell SEO, they'll help you figure out what to do or place you somewhere that it won't matter. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Unless you murdered somebody, firms/law schools/the bar is pretty forgiving as long as you learned something from it and have shown rehab.

User avatar
Doritos
Posts: 1232
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:24 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Doritos » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Guchster wrote:Unless you murdered somebody, firms/law schools/the bar is pretty forgiving as long as you learned something from it and have shown rehab.


http://abovethelaw.com/2011/09/new-tula ... -murderer/

User avatar
Guchster
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:25 pm

Doritos wrote:
Guchster wrote:Unless you murdered somebody, firms/law schools/the bar is pretty forgiving as long as you learned something from it and have shown rehab.


http://abovethelaw.com/2011/09/new-tula ... -murderer/


:shock:

User avatar
JAJAcinco
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:19 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby JAJAcinco » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:47 pm

thanks for that guchster. going of the copy/paste theme, did you just reuse your law school resume? i feel like some of the stuff i in my LS resume wouldn't necessarily be appropriate for firms/SEO. such as lists of some papers related to my major/a section devoted to community service/hobbies. added this stuff in my LS resume to emphasize well-roundedness. don't think this is what firms are looking for tho...

User avatar
Guchster
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:50 pm

JAJAcinco wrote:thanks for that guchster. going of the copy/paste theme, did you just reuse your law school resume? i feel like some of the stuff i in my LS resume wouldn't necessarily be appropriate for firms/SEO. such as lists of some papers related to my major/a section devoted to community service/hobbies. added this stuff in my LS resume to emphasize well-roundedness. don't think this is what firms are looking for tho...


Firm resumes are a lil different, but I think it's a smart idea to keep the well-roundedness for the application stage (SEO will fix it for you later on in the summer so don't stress too much about it). Change the 'hobbies' section to 'interests' (firms kinda require that, which is weird but gives 'em something to talk about). Other than that make sure there are ZERO typing errors.

lndixon
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby lndixon » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:50 pm

I have a quick question about dress code. I've heard that black suits are for funerals and navy is more professional. I'm just curious if this applies to women as well? I get the impression that most of the posters on here are male so maybe I won't get a good answer but I thought I'd try anyway. I tried googling it but most of what I found was about skirts, and dresses and heels. Blecch!

Also, I'm 164/3.8, black, female, and I've gotten in at NYU, UVA, BU, GWU and a bunch of others but those are the highest ranked so far. I'm a pretty ok interviewer if I may say so myself. And I'm planning on boning up on SEO and the firms. Any thoughts on my chances of getting in?

User avatar
Guchster
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:38 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Guchster » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:44 pm

lndixon wrote:I have a quick question about dress code. I've heard that black suits are for funerals and navy is more professional. I'm just curious if this applies to women as well? I get the impression that most of the posters on here are male so maybe I won't get a good answer but I thought I'd try anyway. I tried googling it but most of what I found was about skirts, and dresses and heels. Blecch!

Also, I'm 164/3.8, black, female, and I've gotten in at NYU, UVA, BU, GWU and a bunch of others but those are the highest ranked so far. I'm a pretty ok interviewer if I may say so myself. And I'm planning on boning up on SEO and the firms. Any thoughts on my chances of getting in?


Oops. I feel responsible for this.

Black suits are fine for females.

Just avoid tan suits.

Also, if you're going to wear a skirt, make sure you wear stockings. Also, no peep toe (of any kind), conservative shoes, professional make-up, and neutral nails. Also, hold the crazy jewelry. Go as conservative as possible.

lndixon
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby lndixon » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:55 am

Ok. Great. Saves me a trip to the store. Thanks so much!

User avatar
hyakku
Posts: 604
Joined: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:35 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby hyakku » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:09 pm

Had mine recently. Gotta say thanks so much to Rand for his PM. I'm pretty sure as long as my acceptances don't hold me back I got it. Maybe I'm a poor judge of character, but I'm pretty sure they liked me and my answers (unless they just smile alot to throw you off, but if so that's a pretty bad strategy :lol: ). Definitely want to stress that the preparation made it so much easier, a lot of the times they didn't even have to prompt me with the questions, it was more like a conversation or exchange. They were tough in the beginning, and I was nervous (I guess, shuffling papers and looking at your phone seems like pretty normal behavior for me. I guess growing up in our generation can do that), but by the end I felt really comfortable talking with them and they were pretty helpful in terms of some advice / info they gave me (that alone was worth it). They seem really interested in all the candidates beyond just GPA / LSAT / Acceptance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like slaying the interview can really mitigate not having an acceptance from H or the likes.

Now watch me talk all this nonsense and rejected :lol: . Like some other posters said though, my case study was verbal. I'm not sure how I did on that as I felt like I was coherent, but I didn't want to come across like I knew the law, so I tried to temper my responses and ask some clarifying questions.

Honestly though, for future applicants, just practice that list of questions, get your answers concise and commit a structure to memory so you can help steer your interview and at least have control over the few things you can actually have control over (pacing, dress, presentation, etc). When they open, don't hit them with a 4 minute spiel about your life, where you came from, how you watched Judge judy as a kid, etc. I think a big part of being able to stay confident is not really giving them three minutes to get bored with one answer in the first place. And if nothing else, look at it like a learnig experience. I felt like I really did come away better prepared for future interviews after that.


Thank you again to all the previous applicants (ESPECIALLY RAND), I really appreciate the help and all I've taken away from this. It was fun.
Last edited by hyakku on Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:51 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Mr. Somebody
Posts: 867
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:42 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Mr. Somebody » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:45 pm

How long after submission are people getting interviews?

lndixon
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby lndixon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:47 pm

hyakku wrote:
Honestly though, for future applicants, just practice that list of questions, get your answers concise and commit a structure to memory so you can help steer your interview and at least have control over the few things you can actually have control over (pacing, dress, presentation, etc).


What list of questions are you referring to? Just general interview practice questions? Also, would you mind sharing your stats? And what schools you did get into? You said that they don't seem to care too much about stats & acceptance like it seems, but what did they say about those kinds of things specifically? Like did it come up at all?

lndixon
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby lndixon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:48 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:How long after submission are people getting interviews?


I submitted my app on 12/27 and got the interview request on 1/13 and my interview is 2/17.

User avatar
hyakku
Posts: 604
Joined: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:35 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby hyakku » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:58 pm

lndixon wrote:
hyakku wrote:
Honestly though, for future applicants, just practice that list of questions, get your answers concise and commit a structure to memory so you can help steer your interview and at least have control over the few things you can actually have control over (pacing, dress, presentation, etc).


What list of questions are you referring to? Just general interview practice questions? Also, would you mind sharing your stats? And what schools you did get into? You said that they don't seem to care too much about stats & acceptance like it seems, but what did they say about those kinds of things specifically? Like did it come up at all?


I PMed you. But mine didn't really even come up, but I don't have the highest GPA and I preemptively struck there by steering the conversation towards my work experience, what I thought I could offer uniquely, and discussed the relevant courses I thought would apply. Now that I think about it, I don't even remember them seeming concerned about my GPA / LSAT after a few minutes.

Again, I don't think I'm some type of godlike interviewer, I think they are really just looking for people that took time to prepare, research and know what they can offer the program and what the program can offer them.

spiritniffler189
Posts: 133
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:04 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby spiritniffler189 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:20 pm

hyakku wrote:Had mine recently. Gotta say thanks so much to Rand for his PM. I'm pretty sure as long as my acceptances don't hold me back I got it. Maybe I'm a poor judge of character, but I'm pretty sure they liked me and my answers (unless they just smile alot to throw you off, but if so that's a pretty bad strategy :lol: ). Definitely want to stress that the preparation made it so much easier, a lot of the times they didn't even have to prompt me with the questions, it was more like a conversation or exchange. They were tough in the beginning, and I was nervous (I guess, shuffling papers and looking at your phone seems like pretty normal behavior for me. I guess growing up in our generation can do that), but by the end I felt really comfortable talking with them and they were pretty helpful in terms of some advice / info they gave me (that alone was worth it). They seem really interested in all the candidates beyond just GPA / LSAT / Acceptance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like slaying the interview can really mitigate not having an acceptance from H or the likes.

Now watch me talk all this nonsense and rejected :lol: . Like some other posters said though, my case study was verbal. I'm not sure how I did on that as I felt like I was coherent, but I didn't want to come across like I knew the law, so I tried to temper my responses and ask some clarifying questions.

Honestly though, for future applicants, just practice that list of questions, get your answers concise and commit a structure to memory so you can help steer your interview and at least have control over the few things you can actually have control over (pacing, dress, presentation, etc). When they open, don't hit them with a 4 minute spiel about your life, where you came from, how you watched Judge judy as a kid, etc. I think a big part of being able to stay confident is not really giving them three minutes to get bored with one answer in the first place. And if nothing else, look at it like a learnign experience. I felt like I really did come away better prepared for future interviews after that.


Thank you again for all the previous applicants (ESPECIALLY RAND), I really appreciate the help and all I've taken away from this.


I second the thanking Rand M!

User avatar
Doritos
Posts: 1232
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:24 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Doritos » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:21 pm

PSA: SEO knows about this site and this thread so if you are gonna say things like "I have a 3.x GPA/16x LSAT" or "I have been accepted to these universities and I have my interview next week" know that you are extremely identifiable. If you are cool with them knowing who you are (and your post-history) go right ahead but it may behoove some to not throw out all their ish on the internet.

User avatar
JAJAcinco
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:19 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby JAJAcinco » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:48 pm

Dilemma: submit a 99% application (all it needs is the picture) tonight before the Feb 1 deadline...
OR
get the picture done tomorrow (can't today...late meeting smh) and enter app in Round 5

suggestions?

User avatar
cylon_clone
Posts: 187
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:21 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby cylon_clone » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:36 pm

JAJAcinco wrote:Dilemma: submit a 99% application (all it needs is the picture) tonight before the Feb 1 deadline...
OR
get the picture done tomorrow (can't today...late meeting smh) and enter app in Round 5

suggestions?


I submitted an application without a picture and got an interview email less than a week later. Just from personal experience, I'd say submit the app now - before the deadline - and upload the picture (via the "quick updates" link on the SEO site) tomorrow - definitely before you have your interview.

lndixon
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby lndixon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:40 pm

Doritos wrote:PSA: SEO knows about this site and this thread so if you are gonna say things like "I have a 3.x GPA/16x LSAT" or "I have been accepted to these universities and I have my interview next week" know that you are extremely identifiable. If you are cool with them knowing who you are (and your post-history) go right ahead but it may behoove some to not throw out all their ish on the internet.


They already have that information. So, if you're going to be posting things that will make you look bad, regardless of being identifiable, you have bigger problems than not getting a summer internship.

User avatar
Doritos
Posts: 1232
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:24 pm

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby Doritos » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:12 pm

lndixon wrote:
Doritos wrote:PSA: SEO knows about this site and this thread so if you are gonna say things like "I have a 3.x GPA/16x LSAT" or "I have been accepted to these universities and I have my interview next week" know that you are extremely identifiable. If you are cool with them knowing who you are (and your post-history) go right ahead but it may behoove some to not throw out all their ish on the internet.


They already have that information. So, if you're going to be posting things that will make you look bad, regardless of being identifiable, you have bigger problems than not getting a summer internship.


What I'm saying is if you post things that make you look bad AND they can match that up with you IN REAL LIFE thats bad. You can post idiotic stuff on the internet all you want as long as no one can figure out who you are in real life.

lndixon
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:57 am

Re: SEO Corporate Law

Postby lndixon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:46 pm

Doritos wrote:
lndixon wrote:
Doritos wrote:PSA: SEO knows about this site and this thread so if you are gonna say things like "I have a 3.x GPA/16x LSAT" or "I have been accepted to these universities and I have my interview next week" know that you are extremely identifiable. If you are cool with them knowing who you are (and your post-history) go right ahead but it may behoove some to not throw out all their ish on the internet.


They already have that information. So, if you're going to be posting things that will make you look bad, regardless of being identifiable, you have bigger problems than not getting a summer internship.


What I'm saying is if you post things that make you look bad AND they can match that up with you IN REAL LIFE thats bad. You can post idiotic stuff on the internet all you want as long as no one can figure out who you are in real life.


Right. I get what you're saying. My point is that if you're an idiot, you'll have bigger problems in life than a summer internship. But I completely agree with you, for the record.




Return to “Legal Employment”

Who is online

The online users are hidden on this forum.