SEO Corporate Law Forum

[Anonymous User]

51 people in an email that just went out to accepted NYC people. Take that how you will.

Should be another 20 or so to go, then, is what I'd take from it. TY for the info.

Not to be a buzzkill, but doesn't 20 seem kind of high? If there are 90-ish acceptances total on the table and 51 are already accepted to NYC, I'd probably assume that the other 40 or so are gonna be distributed among D.C., Bay Area, Los Angeles and Texas, w/ about 10 ppl per city. I'd think that this means NYC is pretty much closed, with the exception of a handful of people.

[Anonymous User]

51 people in an email that just went out to accepted NYC people. Take that how you will.

Should be another 20 or so to go, then, is what I'd take from it. TY for the info.

Not to be a buzzkill, but doesn't 20 seem kind of high? If there are 90-ish acceptances total on the table and 51 are already accepted to NYC, I'd probably assume that the other 40 or so are gonna be distributed among D.C., Bay Area, Los Angeles and Texas, w/ about 10 ppl per city. I'd think that this means NYC is pretty much closed, with the exception of a handful of people.

I thought so too.

[Anonymous User]

This wait is killer. People at work keep asking me when I'm going to know so they can schedule...

[subtle]

This wait is killer. People at work keep asking me when I'm going to know so they can schedule...

Still nothing???

[Anonymous User]

This wait is killer. People at work keep asking me when I'm going to know so they can schedule...

Yep same, I was hoping to hear something soon after the dings last weekend.

[Anonymous User]

Does everyone get a rejection notice?

[Anonymous User]

.

[Anonymous User]

Alumni:

Can you tell us some more about CLI? It's basically classroom type learning, right?
What are the hours? Is it just like a job? (9-5)? Longer? Shorter? Varied?

Any tips for performing well and enjoying it?

Thanks!!

[Anonymous User]

Yes. Dinged too. CCN.

That's surprising. I remember hearing that HYSCCN admits are shoo-ins for SEO.

I was OP on your quote. Not anymore. I 'm not AA or Latino, so not the most disadvantaged minority either to be fair, and my original interviewer unfortunately highlighted that as a "negative" on my application. It makes sense, but I was a little surprised it was so blatant.

So I've been expecting a ding for some time now (although I did get a follow-up), but rejection's never fun either.

I wouldn't feel bad about this. Out of the ENTIRE class (like 80 people, 50? not sure) there was ONE asian woman. So clearly a program for AA and Latinos/Hispanic people.

[Anonymous User]

Yes. Dinged too. CCN.

That's surprising. I remember hearing that HYSCCN admits are shoo-ins for SEO.

I was OP on your quote. Not anymore. I 'm not AA or Latino, so not the most disadvantaged minority either to be fair, and my original interviewer unfortunately highlighted that as a "negative" on my application. It makes sense, but I was a little surprised it was so blatant.

So I've been expecting a ding for some time now (although I did get a follow-up), but rejection's never fun either.

I wouldn't feel bad about this. Out of the ENTIRE class (like 80 people, 50? not sure) there was ONE asian woman. So clearly a program for AA and Latinos/Hispanic people.

There are three Asian girls in this year's program, btw.

[Anonymous User]

The program definitely focuses on Blacks and Latinos, I don't think that is debatable.

[Anonymous User]

so do asians qualify for this program in appreciable numbers?

[Anonymous User]

so do asians qualify for this program in appreciable numbers?

No. This year asians were only 3.5% of the class. No excuse not to try though, as the odds aren't 0%.

[Anonymous User]

so do asians qualify for this program in appreciable numbers?

No. This year asians were only 3.5% of the class. No excuse not to try though, as the odds aren't 0%.

True. I think three is more than in some recent years. There are probably some things that you can do to increase your chances.

[Anonymous User]

3 counts as a high? out of how many? 50 or 80?

also, what can you do to increase your chances if not AA/NA/H?

[Anonymous User]

3 counts as a high? out of how many? 50 or 80?

also, what can you do to increase your chances if not AA/NA/H?

Since white isn't an option, why not just say Asian?

1) Have a good interview
2) Deposit at a school that places well in the market you pref'd (i.e. NYC, LA, TX, DC, etc.)
3) Have a personality. Everyone I met this summer went out and partied and were fun to talk to. If you're an introvert and can't schmooze, it probably isn't gonna work out
4) Take the interview and every other interaction with SEO staff seriously, at least until you get the gig.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else based on my limited knowledge. Granted, the process is very opaque and there isn't really an exact formula. Given that Asians don't get much representation, my advice would be to kill it. T6 is probably mandatory. Of the 2 Asians I can think of off the top of my head, they were going to a HYS and a CCN.

[Anonymous User]

There were three out of 80+ total students.

In addition to what was said above, try your best to convey a strong sense of community in your resume and in your interviews. Giving back is a huge theme for SEO.

[Anonymous User]

3 counts as a high? out of how many? 50 or 80?

also, what can you do to increase your chances if not AA/NA/H?

Since white isn't an option, why not just say Asian?

1) Have a good interview
2) Deposit at a school that places well in the market you pref'd (i.e. NYC, LA, TX, DC, etc.)
3) Have a personality. Everyone I met this summer went out and partied and were fun to talk to. If you're an introvert and can't schmooze, it probably isn't gonna work out
4) Take the interview and every other interaction with SEO staff seriously, at least until you get the gig.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else based on my limited knowledge. Granted, the process is very opaque and there isn't really an exact formula. Given that Asians don't get much representation, my advice would be to kill it. T6 is probably mandatory. Of the 2 Asians I can think of off the top of my head, they were going to a HYS and a CCN.

How do you demonstrate that you have a personality while remaining serious during the interview?

How much do you think it's an applicant pool thing, i.e., not many asians think they'd qualify so only 10 or 15 apply a year?

Is 3/year typical?

[Anonymous User]

No idea how many apply, though, if I had to bet, I wouldn't bet that it's a function of the applicant pool.

I'm going to assume that you're Asian, hence so much interest. So just apply. There's nothing to say that you won't be one of those three, so what do you have to lose?

Not sure if it's typical or not.

As for showing personality in the interview: It will come across in how you carry yourself, the questions that you ask, the way that you speak to people. Be the most professional version of yourself possible, but under no circumstances should you be anyone other than yourself.

[Anonymous User]

No idea how many apply, though, if I had to bet, I wouldn't bet that it's a function of the applicant pool.

I'm going to assume that you're Asian, hence so much interest. So just apply. There's nothing to say that you won't be one of those three, so what do you have to lose?

Not sure if it's typical or not.

As for showing personality in the interview: It will come across in how you carry yourself, the questions that you ask, the way that you speak to people. Be the most professional version of yourself possible, but under no circumstances should you be anyone other than yourself.

how I carry myself & the way I speak to people sound like the same thing. to borrow an analogy I saw in another recent thread, you can carry yourself like D-howard or like kobe. How exactly does carrying yourself like kobe tell SEO that you're the type to schmooze and go out and party?

[Anonymous User]

No idea how many apply, though, if I had to bet, I wouldn't bet that it's a function of the applicant pool.

I'm going to assume that you're Asian, hence so much interest. So just apply. There's nothing to say that you won't be one of those three, so what do you have to lose?

Not sure if it's typical or not.

As for showing personality in the interview: It will come across in how you carry yourself, the questions that you ask, the way that you speak to people. Be the most professional version of yourself possible, but under no circumstances should you be anyone other than yourself.

how I carry myself & the way I speak to people sound like the same thing. to borrow an analogy I saw in another recent thread, you can carry yourself like D-howard or like kobe. How exactly does carrying yourself like kobe tell SEO that you're the type to schmooze and go out and party?

I think you're over thinking this. I also don't think you should be conveying that you like to go out and party. You should be showing that you're personable and can read social cues.

Also, someone who is not me is going to have to help you out with that sports metaphor.

[Anonymous User]

No idea how many apply, though, if I had to bet, I wouldn't bet that it's a function of the applicant pool.

I'm going to assume that you're Asian, hence so much interest. So just apply. There's nothing to say that you won't be one of those three, so what do you have to lose?

Not sure if it's typical or not.

As for showing personality in the interview: It will come across in how you carry yourself, the questions that you ask, the way that you speak to people. Be the most professional version of yourself possible, but under no circumstances should you be anyone other than yourself.

how I carry myself & the way I speak to people sound like the same thing. to borrow an analogy I saw in another recent thread, you can carry yourself like D-howard or like kobe. How exactly does carrying yourself like kobe tell SEO that you're the type to schmooze and go out and party?

I think you're over thinking this. I also don't think you should be conveying that you like to go out and party. You should be showing that you're personable and can read social cues.

Also, someone who is not me is going to have to help you out with that sports metaphor.

I'm not sure exactly what the poster in the other thread meant with the metaphor but from what I've read recently on ESPN, it seems like commentators think Howard went to the Rockets because his personality and Kobe's didn't really mesh.

Howard was more of the disney land type, always laughing and joking. I think Kobe was more the serious type who wouldn't take any nonsense. The poster in that other thread apparently used the metaphor to contrast energetic and cheerful (Howard) with serious (Kobe).

Doesn't this go hand in hand with being personable? I'd think it'd be easier to appear personable if you're more like Howard than if you're like Kobe

[Anonymous User]

No. I'd consider myself fairly serious, but I'm still personable.

You're seriously over-thinking this. Just apply. Do your best. See what happens.

[Anonymous User]

What advice is there as to what city you apply to. For example it seems that NYC and DC would be the most applicant heavy locations. Is it smart to apply there and hope that you if you don't get selected for one of those you might get an offer from LA, SF, or Houston, for example? Or should you shoot straight for one of the potentially less applied to markets with a (hopefully) better shot?

[Anonymous User]

What advice is there as to what city you apply to. For example it seems that NYC and DC would be the most applicant heavy locations. Is it smart to apply there and hope that you if you don't get selected for one of those you might get an offer from LA, SF, or Houston, for example? Or should you shoot straight for one of the potentially less applied to markets with a (hopefully) better shot?

This may have changed in the years since I did the program, but I don't think you apply to locations. You rank your top 3 places and, assuming the school you deposit at fits one of those 3, you'll get one. I haven't heard of anyone who got into the program being placed in a city they didn't rank.

Also, NYC is a heavily applied for market, but it makes up ~50% of the SEO class. I don't know how SEO decides who to take, or where they're placed, so the best advice I can give you is to apply. It'll probably help to rank the markets based on the tier of school you think you're gonna go to. If you know you'll get T6, make NYC, or DC #1. If you think you're gonna take big money at GW instead of going T14, make DC your #1. Just think about where you want to work and where you'll likely go to school.