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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:46 pm

If you have people (friends, family) who are willing to watch your pets for you for a few weeks, I would recommend you arrange that, even if it means a long drive to drop them off. The alternative is long-term boarding, which is expensive and probably stressful for your furbabies.

As for the logistics of the move, people do different things, and it depends on where you are moving from, where you are moving to, and your personal situation and how much $$ you're willing and able to shell out for convenience. I would recommend putting your stuff in storage then moving it after COT/JASOC. It may be easiest to store your stuff near where you are leaving your pets (ie, at mom's house, or near where your family/friends live). If you have to pay out of pocket for storage and moving expenses, keep receipts and some of that will be reimbursed.

Also, after training, you will get some time off to find a place to live, and when you first report to a base, you get some time (I think 2 weeks?) to stay for free in the new base's billeting accommodation. Billeting varies from base to base. At some, it's the Air Force Inn hotel on base, at some it's small apartments, but usually you get one of the "nicer" accommodations because you are an officer.

My #1 recommendation if you are new to the military and coming from being a student-- get yourself a credit card with a high limit. While you are in training, you are going to have expenses that accrue (storage fees, pet boarding, initial uniform purchases, travel), and it will take a while before you start receiving your pay to cover everything. Also, it helps to have all of your bills (cell phone for instance) auto-bill to your credit card while you are in transit, that way it still gets paid while you are without an address. I have done two military moves where I was "homeless" for a short stretch, and it is the biggest pain in the ass to get mail forwarded.

Source: new JAG, 7 years as a military spouse.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If you have people (friends, family) who are willing to watch your pets for you for a few weeks, I would recommend you arrange that, even if it means a long drive to drop them off. The alternative is long-term boarding, which is expensive and probably stressful for your furbabies.

As for the logistics of the move, people do different things, and it depends on where you are moving from, where you are moving to, and your personal situation and how much $$ you're willing and able to shell out for convenience. I would recommend putting your stuff in storage then moving it after COT/JASOC. It may be easiest to store your stuff near where you are leaving your pets (ie, at mom's house, or near where your family/friends live). If you have to pay out of pocket for storage and moving expenses, keep receipts and some of that will be reimbursed.

Also, after training, you will get some time off to find a place to live, and when you first report to a base, you get some time (I think 2 weeks?) to stay for free in the new base's billeting accommodation. Billeting varies from base to base. At some, it's the Air Force Inn hotel on base, at some it's small apartments, but usually you get one of the "nicer" accommodations because you are an officer.

My #1 recommendation if you are new to the military and coming from being a student-- get yourself a credit card with a high limit. While you are in training, you are going to have expenses that accrue (storage fees, pet boarding, initial uniform purchases, travel), and it will take a while before you start receiving your pay to cover everything. Also, it helps to have all of your bills (cell phone for instance) auto-bill to your credit card while you are in transit, that way it still gets paid while you are without an address. I have done two military moves where I was "homeless" for a short stretch, and it is the biggest pain in the ass to get mail forwarded.

Source: new JAG, 7 years as a military spouse.


Good post and good advice!

My $.02 as someone that did all this back in the day while single (but I did have my parents helping with a few pieces of this):

No easy answer with your pets. Keeping them with a family friend/relative is probably the best option but it way too variable intensive to be able to give you definitive advice. I will also add that, if you are single, keeping pets on AD can be a serious challenge. TDYs and deployments can take you out of your house for weeks/months at a time. It is do-able but you need to make sure you have thought this out and have a plan for pet-care if the AF decides to send you back to Maxwell for a two week course.

If you end up in January COT/Feb JASOC (the most common path for DAPs that need to take the bar due to the timing of bar results. Early states like Nebraska can put you in the Oct COT class and late states like NY/CA can put you into a spring COT class) - just have them pack you up and put everything in storage. Once you get to your first assignment in April, you will indeed have time to house hunt and get a permanent address. After that, you can work with TMO to get your stuff delivered from storage. Save every receipt for your travel expenses and keep them in a binder.

A few non-sequitur thoughts I wanted to add on for any newbie JAGs:

USAA - You are eligible to get an account with them once you get your orders. Ask anyone that has served - they are outstanding to bank with. They make things like car insurance, renters insurance, and the like all very easy for military types (e.g., "I am deploying and leaving my POV at my parent's house and I need to figure out how this impacts my car insurance."). They also offer a commissioning loan of $25K at a low interest rate (1.9 - 2.9%). That can go a long way helping defray the initial expenses that really do add up.

SCRA - If you have outstanding loans, SCRA can cap the interest at 6%. Most of the major credit card companies (Amex, Chase) will also waive interest, annual fees, etc once you are on AD - for me, that has included premium credit cards like the Amex Platinum without the insane $500+ annual fee. Worth looking into. Also, make sure you understand what SCRA means in terms of breaking leases and other contracts.

Airline Lounges - If you are on orders (or sometimes just your CAC), most of the major lounges will let you in for free. Free booze and snacks. A far more civilized way to travel. Airlines typically will waive baggage checking fees as well for military (even if you are not on orders.)

VA Home Loan - If you are thinking of buying instead of renting, you need to look into this.

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Re: Military Law

Postby RoddyAA » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:14 pm

I just registered to post in this thread now that I have finally finished reading it all! I would obviously like to thank everyone who has been so unbelievably helpful so far!

I have never been in the military, but I am a rising 2L at a school that has a reputation as a very public interest oriented school (Northeastern University). I'm doing my 1L internship with a legislative committee at the state house and have already accepted a Winter internship with a trial judge in Boston. Before law school I had various volunteer positions (including abroad), I helped to form an organization which was a coalition of community and labor organizations that would work towards social and economic justice, I had internships in the community and with the government (Congress), and a couple of full-time jobs as well. I am hoping these will make me somewhat competitive, along with my grades and being selected for Law Review at my school (While I plan to try to form a team for mock trial, our school only sponsors one team a year and they give preference to teams that are all 3L's).

So anyway, I have a couple of questions as I prepare for applications this year. I am probably going to apply to the Navy SP in the fall, the USAF OYCP or the Air Force Summer Internship this year, as well as the Army AD if/when that rolls around (I am too old for the USMC). My first question is whether USAF internship or OYCP makes more sense for my situation. As I mentioned, I don't have any prior military experience, so (assuming I don't get picked up for Navy SP which would potentially make this question moot), would it be more advisable to attempt to get a 2L internship which would be *slightly* easier to get than OYCP and would help me in future boards? Furthermore, my school REQUIRES us to work full-time over the Summer quarter (but only 10-11 weeks), so I don't know if this would be extremely difficult if I had to attend field training in Alabama over the summer (and wouldn't have a lot of say in which Max I attend).

Additionally, I am in the process of getting into shape, but it has been a long road for me. I have always been an athlete, although not at an elite level. I was a three sport athlete in high school (a long time ago) and played in an adult baseball league until I left for law school last year. While I was always somewhat overweight, I got up as high as 285 after my first semester of law school when I decided that JAG was the career choice for me. Over the past 5-6 months I have lost about 40 pounds and have a goal of weighing 196 as that is my "height/weight standard" for the services (this means I'm about halfway to my goal). Assuming that I am relatively close to my goal by the time I have my interviews with the SJA's, do you think it would be advisable to tell them about my total weight loss? I can see it cutting either way: it could potentially show my dedication to JAG that I would commit to a transformation (90 pounds lost in a year) in order to qualify, but I could also see it as a negative to admit that I had allowed my physical fitness to get so out of hand that I was pushing 300lbs as a law student.

Finally, I have begun to think about who I can ask for LOR's and I am going to ask my crim professor, my supervisor when I was interning in Congress, and probably my current supervisor as well, or if not him I will try to get a LOR from the judge I will be working with this Winter. My question though is about soliciting LOR's from more junior officers. I know it has been discussed that the higher the rank the better the letter, but I don't really have any connections at a higher level (maybe this is a reason I should apply for the internship instead of OYCP?) other than a friend of a friend who just made O-6 and has been very helpful with advice through the process. I have a very close law school friend who is an Army Airborne O-3, a HS friend I reconnected with a couple of years ago who is an O-3 in the 82nd Airborne, and a former colleague who got promoted to my supervisor at a previous job who retired after 20 years in the Navy as an E-8. Would it make sense to ask any of these people to write a letter if they can speak to my fitness to be an officer, or would it be better to max out professors and supervisors who might be able to write letters about my academics, etc.?

Once again I would like to thank everyone who has contributed so much amazing information to this thread; it has been great to go through over the past few months.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:36 am

Have any of the most recent reserve component Army JAG selectees received word about a medical waiver decision yet? I submitted my paperwork a while ago and have not heard back yet. Any idea about how long it takes to get a decision? Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:14 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Have any of the most recent reserve component Army JAG selectees received word about a medical waiver decision yet? I submitted my paperwork a while ago and have not heard back yet. Any idea about how long it takes to get a decision? Thanks!


No word yet.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:52 pm

I'll tackle a couple of your questions.

RoddyAA wrote:
Additionally, I am in the process of getting into shape, but it has been a long road for me. I have always been an athlete, although not at an elite level. I was a three sport athlete in high school (a long time ago) and played in an adult baseball league until I left for law school last year. While I was always somewhat overweight, I got up as high as 285 after my first semester of law school when I decided that JAG was the career choice for me. Over the past 5-6 months I have lost about 40 pounds and have a goal of weighing 196 as that is my "height/weight standard" for the services (this means I'm about halfway to my goal). Assuming that I am relatively close to my goal by the time I have my interviews with the SJA's, do you think it would be advisable to tell them about my total weight loss? I can see it cutting either way: it could potentially show my dedication to JAG that I would commit to a transformation (90 pounds lost in a year) in order to qualify, but I could also see it as a negative to admit that I had allowed my physical fitness to get so out of hand that I was pushing 300lbs as a law student.


Get down to the height/weight requirement before the interview if at all possible. Or at least by the time you have to turn in your height and weight on a form during the application process. I was over the limit by ~15 pounds, and I think that alone prevented me from being picked up during my first two DAP boards. The SJAs I interviewed with were shocked I didn't get picked up and couldn't point to anything else that might have prevented me from being selected. I dropped to the weight requirement and got picked up at the very next board.

Another reason to get to the limit by the interview is that it is best if the SJA can say "Mr. Snuffy is ready to go NOW and I would love to have him working for me ASAP." It says much more if you can meet all the requirements at the time of the interview, and no one has to bet on you actually improving before you leave for officer training. For example, if you can conduct a mock PT test and let the SJA know your score, that's better than "I'm running and doing some push-ups."

Depending on the timing, you might not get to the limit by the time of the interview. If you're not quite there, I would definitely tell your weight loss story. If you've overweight, you want the SJA to be able to speak to WHY she believes you will definitely meet the requirement in time. Be able to explain in detail what you've been doing (running, dieting, etc.) and know when you expect to be within regs. I don't think anyone will say, "Well, he let himself go before he ever decided to become a JAG; we better not select him." A LOT of people have weight loss stories. I think it's a positive. It shows dedication once you started thinking you might want to be a JAG.

RoddyAA wrote:Finally, I have begun to think about who I can ask for LOR's and I am going to ask my crim professor, my supervisor when I was interning in Congress, and probably my current supervisor as well, or if not him I will try to get a LOR from the judge I will be working with this Winter. My question though is about soliciting LOR's from more junior officers. I know it has been discussed that the higher the rank the better the letter, but I don't really have any connections at a higher level (maybe this is a reason I should apply for the internship instead of OYCP?) other than a friend of a friend who just made O-6 and has been very helpful with advice through the process. I have a very close law school friend who is an Army Airborne O-3, a HS friend I reconnected with a couple of years ago who is an O-3 in the 82nd Airborne, and a former colleague who got promoted to my supervisor at a previous job who retired after 20 years in the Navy as an E-8. Would it make sense to ask any of these people to write a letter if they can speak to my fitness to be an officer, or would it be better to max out professors and supervisors who might be able to write letters about my academics, etc.?

The people you listed in your first sentence are all great. The more they can truly speak to their specific interactions with you, the better. Just my opinion, but having letters from a variety of sources can likely show more about you than just 5 professors or 5 supervisors.

I wouldn't let the lack of "connections at a higher level" stop you from applying to anything in the JAG world. I think most boards would rather see high-quality letters than a letter from a Congressman who shook your hand once.

I think junior officers are fine, especially if they're mixed in with professors, supervisors, etc. Just make sure they can speak to the qualities that would make you a good officer. That might be tougher with a friend who hasn't known you in a professional context, but, on the other hand, he/she might be able to show entirely different qualities that would be beneficial.

And your previous supervisor who was a retired E-8 sounds really good to me. I would expect someone with his/her experience could sniff out an awful officer candidate in a heartbeat.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:45 am

So seems like Army encourages their JAGs to attend courses like Airborne, Air Assault, etc. if there is space and the JAGs are interested of course. Any similar opportunities or schools offered in the AF or Navy that JAGs can attend?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So seems like Army encourages their JAGs to attend courses like Airborne, Air Assault, etc. if there is space and the JAGs are interested of course. Any similar opportunities or schools offered in the AF or Navy that JAGs can attend?


Lol No for Navy. No cool schools or classes. You aren't allowed in the court room for two years either!

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Re: Military Law

Postby TwoRoads » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:40 pm

Does anyone have experience with lower back pain/SI joint pain/sciatica and a history of that in relation to medical qualifications/MEPS? Is this an issue? If so, is it waiverable?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:16 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So seems like Army encourages their JAGs to attend courses like Airborne, Air Assault, etc. if there is space and the JAGs are interested of course. Any similar opportunities or schools offered in the AF or Navy that JAGs can attend?


Lol No for Navy. No cool schools or classes. You aren't allowed in the court room for two years either!


The Air Force allows some JAs to go to the Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell.

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Re: Military Law

Postby gpat113 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:59 pm

Thanks to everyone on this board for the amazing content! It played a huge role in deciding to pursue JAG and I give you guys a lot of credit for my Navy PR. I’ve read the whole thread, but it’s been awhile so please forgive me if this has been more thoroughly discussed than I remember.

A few people on here mentioned taking a random state’s bar to get results sooner, is there any down side to this I’m missing? I’ve done a decent amount of research, but would appreciate TLS confirmation that I’m not setting myself up for huge regret in a few years. The state I'm considering releases first week of September and does not have an in-person C&F interview, so I should only need to travel there for the actual bar. It's not UBE, but based on the below I don't think that should matter if I stay in 6 years. Also, most UBE states won't accept transferred scores over 3 years old, so it would only help in a small handful of states if I do happen to get out at 4.

My current state is one of the last to release results, but is one of the many states that has an option to be admitted without retaking the exam if you’ve been practicing 5 out of the last 7 years. The plan is to stay in at least 6 years, so am I correct in my understanding that it will generally just be few forms and an application fee to be admitted in states with this type of arrangement? Have any former JAGs had issues with this or advice on strategically choosing a state? Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby TwoRoads » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:06 pm

A few people on here mentioned taking a random state’s bar to get results sooner, is there any down side to this I’m missing? I’ve done a decent amount of research, but would appreciate TLS confirmation that I’m not setting myself up for huge regret in a few years. The state I'm considering releases first week of September and does not have an in-person C&F interview, so I should only need to travel there for the actual bar. It's not UBE, but based on the below I don't think that should matter if I stay in 6 years. Also, most UBE states won't accept transferred scores over 3 years old, so it would only help in a small handful of states if I do happen to get out at 4.

My current state is one of the last to release results, but is one of the many states that has an option to be admitted without retaking the exam if you’ve been practicing 5 out of the last 7 years. The plan is to stay in at least 6 years, so am I correct in my understanding that it will generally just be few forms and an application fee to be admitted in states with this type of arrangement? Have any former JAGs had issues with this or advice on strategically choosing a state? Thanks!


gpat113, I do not think you need to overthink this point too much, though you will hear differences of opinion. From my point of view as a practicing (civilian) attorney admitted in multiple states, take the bar of a state where you want to practice after being in the JAG Corps. Generally, we are only talking about delays of a couple months. The exception to this is New York, which can take forever to process applications. Also, yes, you can waive into many states after a certain number of years of practice, but the paperwork is still a gigantic pain (I know from experience) and it can take several months to process once you've submitted it. From a private practice perspective, employers can be less likely to pick you up if you are not already admitted in the state where the job is that you want. Further, there are plenty of states you can't waive into. Of course, if I were already PR'd, I would sure be anxious to get started, too, so I can understand the interest in getting admitted as soon as possible...

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Re: Military Law

Postby TwoRoads » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:17 pm

Thanks very much, Anonymous and Patrick Bateman.

No easy answer with your pets. Keeping them with a family friend/relative is probably the best option but it way too variable intensive to be able to give you definitive advice. I will also add that, if you are single, keeping pets on AD can be a serious challenge. TDYs and deployments can take you out of your house for weeks/months at a time. It is do-able but you need to make sure you have thought this out and have a plan for pet-care if the AF decides to send you back to Maxwell for a two week course.


How much notice do you typically get that you are going to TDY or deploy?

If you end up in January COT/Feb JASOC (the most common path for DAPs that need to take the bar due to the timing of bar results. Early states like Nebraska can put you in the Oct COT class and late states like NY/CA can put you into a spring COT class) - just have them pack you up and put everything in storage. Once you get to your first assignment in April, you will indeed have time to house hunt and get a permanent address. After that, you can work with TMO to get your stuff delivered from storage. Save every receipt for your travel expenses and keep them in a binder.


I'm admitted in multiple states and have been in private practice for 4+ years, so my timeline may vary (if I am so fortunate as to be accepted and medically qualify), but this general timeline and advice is very helpful. I have not applied yet but knowing all of this information certainly helps me wrap my head around a lot of the unknowns.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:04 pm

I agree with your advice to gpat113 - I do not recommend just randomly getting barred in some stat for a marginal/possible benefit in terms of getting sworn in sooner. Sit for the bar in the state you most likely will return to if you leave AD. One thing to consider is a lot of states will waive bar dues for active duty - if you can pick from equal options among different jurisdictions, that is one variable you can add to your consideration.

TwoRoads wrote:Thanks very much, Anonymous and Patrick Bateman.

How much notice do you typically get that you are going to TDY or deploy?


For courses at AFJAGS or TJAGLCS, usually you will have some time to plan - typically you have to be nominated by your SJA a few months in advance and then you still have a month to a few weeks after you get formally notified. Most courses are only 1-2 weeks but one thing you would want to plan for is attending Squadron Officer School in residence at Maxwell - that will be at your first or second assignment and is around 6-7 weeks.

Deployments also usually provide some lead up time but it gets more complicated in that you usually have to attend a lot training(s) prior to shipping out - you may have a few months to deploy but a lot of that is going to be totally dominated by CBRNE, medical, weapons qualifications at your home station, combat training at Fort Dix, etc.

I'm admitted in multiple states and have been in private practice for 4+ years, so my timeline may vary (if I am so fortunate as to be accepted and medically qualify), but this general timeline and advice is very helpful. I have not applied yet but knowing all of this information certainly helps me wrap my head around a lot of the unknowns.


In that you are already licensed, things will go faster for you - after you get selected and clear MEPS, it is really just a matter of all of the admin paperwork (going through AFPC, finding you dates for training, getting your orders cut, etc). Post selection, it could be as fast as ~3 months. There may be some folks on this thread that have better direct/indirect knowledge of the timeline for those that are already licensed.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:10 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So seems like Army encourages their JAGs to attend courses like Airborne, Air Assault, etc. if there is space and the JAGs are interested of course. Any similar opportunities or schools offered in the AF or Navy that JAGs can attend?


Lol No for Navy. No cool schools or classes. You aren't allowed in the court room for two years either!


The Air Force allows some JAs to go to the Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell.


For the Air Force - you will not being going to any of the cool courses that earn you a qualification pin or tab. The single exception is the one JAG we have at JSOC at Ft. Bragg - he/she typically will go to Jump School at Benning. That is usually a middle to senior major and that slot only comes open every 2-3 years.

Like all the other services, we have a ton of different courses at our school house (as well as the Navy & Army schools) as well as all of the professional development courses - for the AF, everyone now attends SOS in residence as the primary developmental education. Each year, 6 or so majors get selected for in-residence intermediate education (Air Command & Staff College at Maxwell) and 2 Lt Cols for the senior course (Air War College at Maxwell) and maybe 1-2 super-fast burners at the National Defense University schools at McNair (National War College & the Eisenhower School).

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:41 pm

Army Reservists going to DCC in October: has anyone heard anything since receiving their seat confirmation or submitting their DA4856? Some emails earlier made it seem like commissioning would have taken place already, but I haven't heard anything back from JARO in quite some time now.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:21 pm

Does anyone happen to know if the operation blue to green applies to Jags?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Standish » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:32 pm

Have any Army selects had trouble filling out the DA form 61? The instructions say we're supposed to check both boxes for active duty and reserve commission, but the form only allows me to check one when I have it open in Adobe Reader. However, if I open it in my browser, I can check both boxes, but then I can't input a digital signature. I would just print it and sign it by hand, but the instructions say that all entries must be typed.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:50 pm

Instructions say to type your entries and hand sign the document, so you're gonna have to print them. I'd just hand write the second "x" with a black pen.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Instructions say to type your entries and hand sign the document, so you're gonna have to print them. I'd just hand write the second "x" with a black pen.

You can also insert a text box into the PDF and type an "X" if you don't want to hand write the second "X". That's what the example form had.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone happen to know if the operation blue to green applies to Jags?



Interesting question. Looks like the blue to green site doesn't list any specifics about this. Are you trying to transfer to ANG or Army active duty?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:37 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone happen to know if the operation blue to green applies to Jags?



Interesting question. Looks like the blue to green site doesn't list any specifics about this. Are you trying to transfer to ANG or Army active duty?


Current active duty Navy Jag, looking to future because the Navy Jag Corps blows. I'd like to continue active duty in another branch. Army or coast guard maybe? Blue to green caught my eye, but I can't find anything on whether jags can do this.

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Re: Military Law

Postby usn26 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:41 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone happen to know if the operation blue to green applies to Jags?



Interesting question. Looks like the blue to green site doesn't list any specifics about this. Are you trying to transfer to ANG or Army active duty?


Current active duty Navy Jag, looking to future because the Navy Jag Corps blows. I'd like to continue active duty in another branch. Army or coast guard maybe? Blue to green caught my eye, but I can't find anything on whether jags can do this.


Coast Guard is doable. You'll probably have to start over (e.g 6-7 years as an LT), but you'd be a good candidate to get picked up as a direct commission. I know at least one person who's done that route. If you work closely enough with CG Legal recruiting far enough in advance, you might be able to work it out to do a lateral transfer. But if you want to make a career you really have to do that *immediately* after making O4, otherwise getting promoted (O3-4 or O4-5, former more than the latter) will be very difficult.

Army I don't know about.

I'm curious to hear why the Navy JAG sucks (I can think of about 20 reasons, but maybe you have new ones). PM me.

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Re: Military Law

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usn26 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone happen to know if the operation blue to green applies to Jags?



Interesting question. Looks like the blue to green site doesn't list any specifics about this. Are you trying to transfer to ANG or Army active duty?


Current active duty Navy Jag, looking to future because the Navy Jag Corps blows. I'd like to continue active duty in another branch. Army or coast guard maybe? Blue to green caught my eye, but I can't find anything on whether jags can do this.


Coast Guard is doable. You'll probably have to start over (e.g 6-7 years as an LT), but you'd be a good candidate to get picked up as a direct commission. I know at least one person who's done that route. If you work closely enough with CG Legal recruiting far enough in advance, you might be able to work it out to do a lateral transfer. But if you want to make a career you really have to do that *immediately* after making O4, otherwise getting promoted (O3-4 or O4-5, former more than the latter) will be very difficult.

Army I don't know about.

I'm curious to hear why the Navy JAG sucks (I can think of about 20 reasons, but maybe you have new ones). PM me.


Anyone able to comment on Army blue to green?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:09 pm

Still no response regarding the October class for AD Army selects? Not sure when we'll know anything




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