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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:34 am

Fletch.F.Fletch wrote:I got a medical DQ and will need a waiver for an absurd food allergy. Have not heard anything from Army JAG recruiting since the letter informing me of the DQ. The letter suggested JAG would be reaching out to me-- haven't heard anything.

Also, I haven't tried to access the site in 2 months, but is anyone else having trouble accessing the JAGC website? I get a security access error through Chrome on my mac.


Had the same issue on my PC w/Firefox. Something about the website makes it "unsecure", so I had to go into my security settings and add an exception for the website when that screen popped up.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:21 pm

I have experience with the Army Judge Advocate medical waiver process. When I went through it, I was sent an email listing the specific condition that required a waiver and was told to gather evidence to rebut the disqualification (i.e., show that the condition doesn't exist) and/or gather evidence to show that the disqualifying medical condition would not impact my performance. This evidence included letters from doctors, medical records, a personal statement, letters from work supervisors and letters from colleagues/people I go to the gym with. JARO provided me with samples. Feel free to PM for details.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:22 pm

I have experience with the Army Judge Advocate medical waiver process. When I went through it, I was sent an email listing the specific condition that required a waiver and was told to gather evidence to rebut the disqualification (i.e., show that the condition doesn't exist) and/or gather evidence to show that the disqualifying medical condition would not impact my performance. This evidence included letters from doctors, medical records, a personal statement, letters from work supervisors and letters from colleagues/people I go to the gym with. JARO provided me with samples. Feel free to PM for details.[/quote]

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Re: Military Law

Postby Maples24 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:23 pm

I have experience with the Army Judge Advocate medical waiver process. When I went through it, I was sent an email listing the specific condition that required a waiver and was told to gather evidence to rebut the disqualification (i.e., show that the condition doesn't exist) and/or gather evidence to show that the disqualifying medical condition would not impact my performance. This evidence included letters from doctors, medical records, a personal statement, letters from work supervisors and letters from colleagues/people I go to the gym with. JARO provided me with samples. Feel free to PM for details.[/quote][/quote]

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:53 pm

If you guys were informed you need a medical waiver, and have not been contacted by JARO, I would call JARO. They will eventually email you, but I wouldn't wait on them, or else you'll be waiting a lot longer than you need to.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Roclandsfinest23 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If you guys were informed you need a medical waiver, and have not been contacted by JARO, I would call JARO. They will eventually email you, but I wouldn't wait on them, or else you'll be waiting a lot longer than you need to.



What if you weren't informed that you needed a waiver and are just waiting on the HRC clearing

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:34 pm

Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Swooshe » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:01 pm

PB, you've mentioned a few times that the exit options for JAGs who were more focused on contracting are pretty good. I know that wasn't your area, but could you expand a bit on what paths you've seen JAGs take in this field? I know the VA and GSA do a ton of contracting and I'd assume being a former contracting-focused JAG might help there. Are there DOJ opportunities in that field? Do you think your 6-year recommendation would apply in contracting as well?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:16 am

Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:41 am

Swooshe wrote:PB, you've mentioned a few times that the exit options for JAGs who were more focused on contracting are pretty good. I know that wasn't your area, but could you expand a bit on what paths you've seen JAGs take in this field? I know the VA and GSA do a ton of contracting and I'd assume being a former contracting-focused JAG might help there. Are there DOJ opportunities in that field? Do you think your 6-year recommendation would apply in contracting as well?


As a preface - as you note, that is not my bailiwick. Some of the other AF JAGs on this forum may be more plugged into this subject matter - please chime in and correct me if I am off the mark on any of this.

You can get your first bite at contracting/acquisitions/procurement (I am just going to refer to this as contracts for short hand) at the base legal level when you end up in general law/civil law. There is a JA review process for the contracts that the local contracting squadron (CONS) is pushing through. Over the years, there have been a number of contracting JAG positions at the junior captain level in deployed environments as well - commanders are always needing to buy things and the process is so complicated, subject matter experts are needed almost everywhere.

After your time at base legal, you can request to move to our headquarters contracts directorate at JB Andrews, JAQ within AFLOA. JAQ is composed of 3-4 divisions, each with their own sub-specialty. The real prize if you like this line of work is selection for the contracting LLM at GW - this is generally at the senior captain/junior major level, and you pick up a service commitment of a few years for the free degree.

For exit options, they seem to be everywhere. Within the Air Force, Material Command bases have GS attorney positions by the truck load, as does JAQ. A lot of reservists I have come across have been in this sort of role within the Air Force and DOD General Counsel offices. I have seen Main Justice positions involving this background a few times, almost always at the GS-15 level. There are also loads of all other alphabet soup agencies with these positions, GSA included. All the major defense contracting firms (Boeing, Lockheed, et al) routinely hire former JAGs with experience in contracting as well.

My 6 year rule (really 6-8) is probably an acceptable general guideline for any hypothetical planning. It is all about having enough time to actually develop a marketable subject matter expertise. Having a strong skill set that you can sell to employers is going to outweigh any arbitrary measure of time, which really is just an acknowledgement of the JAGC practice of moving folks from a subject matter expertise jobs back into the field/management. An obvious exception to the 6-8 year timeline would be the LLM - you will likely be at 10 years of service when all is said and done there but I think it would be well worth it.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.


Oh I see. I submitted my tests and they emailed me back saying they would update me when they determined if I qualified. You shouldn't need to contact HRC directly. Did they confirm that they received your tests?

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Re: Military Law

Postby ridethemedian » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:47 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:
ridethemedian wrote:Hi,
I'm a long time lurker who has decided to make a run at JAG. Through my research I feel like Army would be the best fit, but I will likely also apply to Navy and AF. If anyone could take a look at my stats and give me some pointers on things to emphasize and improve for upcoming interviews I would appreciate it. Although I can express confidence in my ability to meet the physical requirements, live the lifestyle and show commitment to service, I worry that my academic stats are a weakness. Part of my interest in JAG in the first place is that I think that the lifestyle would allow me to excel in a way that I haven't always done academically.

3L
3.2 GPA, median ranked at T2 law school. I'm working on my law review write on currently (fingers crossed) and can point to A's in advocacy and criminal procedure classes. I worked 2 semesters at state AG offices and currently work at a private full service civil firm where I do a lot of real work.
I'm on the board of our school's ACLU chapter.
I was an All American and team captain of a varsity sport at a D1 school. I exercise daily and will have no problems with the physical requirements. No military family or prior military background.

I will also be married prior to receiving bar results. Any thoughts or perspectives from active-duty or recently commissioned that are in long term relationships?


You should be reasonably competitive. It's good that you're primarily interested in the Army, since the Army takes by far the most people. I think being a former college athlete will be very helpful. In addition to demonstrating physical fitness, it can also be evidence of other stuff the military will appreciate: leadership, teamwork, etc.

You might be a bit behind the curve since you haven't interned with the military at all, and as a rising 3L it's a bit late. You'll want to have a compelling personal statement that explains why you're interested in the military. You don't want them to get the sense that you struck out in the private sector and the military is your fall back option.

As to being married, that's hard to answer. Lots of people in the military are married, obviously, myself included. But it can take a toll on relationships. Is your fiance prepared to deal with you being gone for a few months at a time for training? For a year if you have to deploy? Is he/she aware that you will be living wherever the military tells you to live, even if that is inconvenient for his/her career? It's very doable, but these are the things you should be thinking through and discussing.


As usual, SpanishMain is on point in his response here. From my AF perspective, my response is basically the same.

Prior athlete in a leadership role is a very good thing - even the Chair Force viewed my time as a collegiate athlete (and in a leadership role) as a strong plus on my application. Your time at the AG office will help in terms of the demonstrating an interest in public service but as noted before, the lack of any demonstrated military interest/background is a disadvantage (but one that can overcome). Be ready to sell why you want to serve as a JAG and why you want to do it in that particular service.

In terms of being married while serving - nothing to add to SpanishMain on this. Your partner needs to be 100% on board with realistic expectations, both in what service will mean for you and what it will mean for him/her (for example, depending on their career, you may end up being stationed in locations where it may be basically impossible for them to do what they had been doing.) Same with family planning - you all thinking of kids? You might not be there for important or difficult times.



My fiancé is very supportive of me and is willing to make those sacrifices. We have been long distance until recently so we know its something we can handle. I think those factors will at least be easy to have a conversation about. From a logistical standpoint however, what does the timeline look like from acceptance to appointment, JAG school and being stationed somewhere. At what point would she be able to move with me or need to be prepared to look for a job. Are there any more detailed resources about how to prepare for family life in the military?

Thanks for your earlier responses.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.


Oh I see. I submitted my tests and they emailed me back saying they would update me when they determined if I qualified. You shouldn't need to contact HRC directly. Did they confirm that they received your tests?
Did you get the email from JARO or HRC? I saw that JARO uploaded my files, but they never contacted me directly.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.


Oh I see. I submitted my tests and they emailed me back saying they would update me when they determined if I qualified. You shouldn't need to contact HRC directly. Did they confirm that they received your tests?
Did you get the email from JARO or HRC? I saw that JARO uploaded my files, but they never contacted me directly.


JARO - Monica Greene emailed me. Did you do AMRDEC SAFE? Or just email directly to usarmy.pentagon.hqda-otjag.mbx.jaro@mail.mil? I didn't use AMRDEC SAFE and just sent them to that email address. Maybe that is why I got a response. Who knows. It's very hard to get in contact with JARO.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.


Oh I see. I submitted my tests and they emailed me back saying they would update me when they determined if I qualified. You shouldn't need to contact HRC directly. Did they confirm that they received your tests?
Did you get the email from JARO or HRC? I saw that JARO uploaded my files, but they never contacted me directly.


I used AMRDEC SAFE and they never sent me a confirmation. I did get the receipt saying that they had downloaded my files though. I'm not concerned about not getting the email confirmation.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Roclandsfinest23 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:35 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.


Oh I see. I submitted my tests and they emailed me back saying they would update me when they determined if I qualified. You shouldn't need to contact HRC directly. Did they confirm that they received your tests?
Did you get the email from JARO or HRC? I saw that JARO uploaded my files, but they never contacted me directly.


JARO - Monica Greene emailed me. Did you do AMRDEC SAFE? Or just email directly to usarmy.pentagon.hqda-otjag.mbx.jaro@mail.mil? I didn't use AMRDEC SAFE and just sent them to that email address. Maybe that is why I got a response. Who knows. It's very hard to get in contact with JARO.


Has anyone gotten the OK from HRC for the October class?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:05 pm

Roclandsfinest23 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just to clarify, once we got approved from DODMERB, were we supposed to do something, or did our files go automatically to HRC for review? I haven't heard anything since DODMERB back in April.


Did you do the additional medical testing? (HIV, drug, alcohol, pregnancy, etc.) Those are required before HRC will review your information.
I submitted those to JARO. Was wondering if we had to contact HRC directly for anything.


Oh I see. I submitted my tests and they emailed me back saying they would update me when they determined if I qualified. You shouldn't need to contact HRC directly. Did they confirm that they received your tests?
Did you get the email from JARO or HRC? I saw that JARO uploaded my files, but they never contacted me directly.


JARO - Monica Greene emailed me. Did you do AMRDEC SAFE? Or just email directly to usarmy.pentagon.hqda-otjag.mbx.jaro@mail.mil? I didn't use AMRDEC SAFE and just sent them to that email address. Maybe that is why I got a response. Who knows. It's very hard to get in contact with JARO.


Has anyone gotten the OK from HRC for the October class?

Reserve Component folks heading to the October class got emails in late June.

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Re: Military Law

Postby TwoRoads » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:18 pm

It only took me 7 months, but I've read the whole thread. I greatly appreciate all of the information that people have contributed over the years.

I have a logistical question. In the fortunate event that I get selected to join Air Force JAG under the Direct Appointment Program, what would relocating from my current location to COT, JASOC, and my first duty station look like? I understand that JASOC may come before or after I arrive at the first duty station.

In particular, I am concerned about what I do with all of my stuff (and pets) during the time I am in COT (and JASOC if it runs right after COT). Currently, I live a multi-day drive away from anyone who would watch my pets for that long, so I'm wondering - do I make the long drive to take the pets to a petsitter (seems inevitable) and put my stuff in storage for a time or continue to pay rent? What have other people done? When have people moved their belongings to a new residence at their first duty station? I'm particularly interested in the experiences of single people who didn't have a significant other to assist with these logistics.

I realize this question puts the cart way ahead of the horse, but I would like to envision what the whole process of beginning military life looks like.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Re: Army Reserve, does anyone know whether they will let you go straight to an IMA role out of JAOBC rather than going to a TPU first? If not, how long do you have to spend in a TPU before you can go the IMA route?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:27 am

Anonymous User wrote:Re: Army Reserve, does anyone know whether they will let you go straight to an IMA role out of JAOBC rather than going to a TPU first? If not, how long do you have to spend in a TPU before you can go the IMA route?

Most likely no. Looking at the vacancies of what positions are currently available in the RC, all the IMA opportunities are for O-4 or higher, and there are only a handful compared to TPU slots.

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:39 am

Anonymous User wrote:Re: Army Reserve, does anyone know whether they will let you go straight to an IMA role out of JAOBC rather than going to a TPU first? If not, how long do you have to spend in a TPU before you can go the IMA route?


I've heard from Army Reserve types that while they don't normally let you go straight IMA, occasionally they will make an exception for someone who has prior military experience. IMAs are basically responsible for their own care and feeding, and sending someone with no military experience off on their own like that is setting them up for failure.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:23 pm

I've seen this asked a few times here but not completely answered: If we have submitted/turned in/completed any and all (and I mean any and all) required medical paperwork, tests, etc., and have been "qualified" through DODMERB, do we need to do anything to get the HRC process going, or does it begin automatically and they'll let us know when they've made a decision? Thanks in advance!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I've seen this asked a few times here but not completely answered: If we have submitted/turned in/completed any and all (and I mean any and all) required medical paperwork, tests, etc., and have been "qualified" through DODMERB, do we need to do anything to get the HRC process going, or does it begin automatically and they'll let us know when they've made a decision? Thanks in advance!


Good question... I have been waiting since April to hear from HRC.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ML0576 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I've seen this asked a few times here but not completely answered: If we have submitted/turned in/completed any and all (and I mean any and all) required medical paperwork, tests, etc., and have been "qualified" through DODMERB, do we need to do anything to get the HRC process going, or does it begin automatically and they'll let us know when they've made a decision? Thanks in advance!


Good question... I have been waiting since April to hear from HRC.


Nope, you do not need to do anything. The folks at JARO will reach out to you when the time is right.




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