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Re: Military Law

Postby rachelzofia » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:04 pm

I got both emails, but I agree that it looks like Army Honors was targeted.

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone received specific information about the Army Honors Program? I received an e-mail from the Army Corps of Engineers program, but not from the other one. I assume all selected into the JAG receive these e-mails at some point and/or are free to apply to the Honors Program, but I wanted to check and see if receiving on e-mail and not the other means you're not invited to apply to that program, and what that entails.


Received an email for this. Anybody know how competitive it is?


Also received an e-mail from Army Honors and the Army Corps of Engineers program. Have you received both e-mails?

Who else has gotten both or one of these e-mails?


The Army Corps of Engineers email seemed like it was sent out to everyone. Army Honors seems like it was targeted to certain people from my reading.

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:05 am

What is the Army Honors program, as opposed to the corps of engineers program? Google turns up nothing

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:09 am

Thespanishmain,

hopefully this is helpful: http://ogc.hqda.pentagon.mil/default.aspx

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:46 pm

Thanks. Just curious, had never heard of it before

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Re: Military Law

Postby frankbeans » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:56 pm

Army AD Select here. Does anyone know how seats are determined for the January and May classes?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:34 am

So, just to be clear, by accepting a spot in the Reserves as a JA, do I doom myself in the future if i want to switch down the road?

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:33 am

Anonymous User wrote:So, just to be clear, by accepting a spot in the Reserves as a JA, do I doom myself in the future if i want to switch down the road?


Probably. It's possible to go from reserves to active duty, but it's very, very tough. You could still get active duty time by volunteering for mobilizations though.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:37 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So, just to be clear, by accepting a spot in the Reserves as a JA, do I doom myself in the future if i want to switch down the road?


Probably. It's possible to go from reserves to active duty, but it's very, very tough. You could still get active duty time by volunteering for mobilizations though.


Can you elaborate on this? What would allow one to make the transition? Would I be better off just branching something else in the Reserves (say, MI) and applying to JAG later on?

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:51 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:So, just to be clear, by accepting a spot in the Reserves as a JA, do I doom myself in the future if i want to switch down the road?


Probably. It's possible to go from reserves to active duty, but it's very, very tough. You could still get active duty time by volunteering for mobilizations though.


Can you elaborate on this? What would allow one to make the transition? Would I be better off just branching something else in the Reserves (say, MI) and applying to JAG later on?


Dumb luck and needs of the Army, probably. I'm a former Army/Army Reserve officer but not a jag so take it with a grain of salt. But the ease of switching permanently from Resserves to Active depends on how understrength the active side is. In 2007, that switch was pretty easy. I don't think that's the case today. There's just no need to accept a bunch of transfers from the reserve side, especially since that shortchanged the reserves.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ML0576 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:12 pm

Hey all, I was selected for a position in the reserve component of the Army JAGC and was wondering how soon we could be heading to training. Is it the consensus that October is most likely? Any info is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:36 am

frankbeans wrote:Army AD Select here. Does anyone know how seats are determined for the January and May classes?


It all just depends on how quickly you submit everything that they ask. Getting medically cleared is what often delays people cause the medical waiver process can take a while if you need to get one.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ML0576 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:22 am

^^ Thanks for your response! What is the range of time it might take to head to training? Is it possible to head to training before October or is that the earliest? I truly appreciate your help, I need to sign a new lease so I'm trying to figure everything out!

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Re: Military Law

Postby CharlieAvocado » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:31 pm

ML0576 wrote:^^ Thanks for your response! What is the range of time it might take to head to training? Is it possible to head to training before October or is that the earliest? I truly appreciate your help, I need to sign a new lease so I'm trying to figure everything out!


The lease is usually the easiest part. You can break it without penalty once you get orders. If they don't let you break it, then they're probably in violation of federal law.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ML0576 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:26 pm

CharlieAvocado wrote:
ML0576 wrote:^^ Thanks for your response! What is the range of time it might take to head to training? Is it possible to head to training before October or is that the earliest? I truly appreciate your help, I need to sign a new lease so I'm trying to figure everything out!


The lease is usually the easiest part. You can break it without penalty once you get orders. If they don't let you break it, then they're probably in violation of federal law.


Sweet, thanks for your info! I was also wondering if training would be a year or more from now or if it would be in less time, like in October. I want to know if I can get some roommates, but I don't want to leave anyone in the lurch if I need to head to training before the lease is out. Thanks again!

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Re: Military Law

Postby CharlieAvocado » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:31 pm

ML0576 wrote:
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ML0576 wrote:^^ Thanks for your response! What is the range of time it might take to head to training? Is it possible to head to training before October or is that the earliest? I truly appreciate your help, I need to sign a new lease so I'm trying to figure everything out!


The lease is usually the easiest part. You can break it without penalty once you get orders. If they don't let you break it, then they're probably in violation of federal law.


Sweet, thanks for your info! I was also wondering if training would be a year or more from now or if it would be in less time, like in October. I want to know if I can get some roommates, but I don't want to leave anyone in the lurch if I need to head to training before the lease is out. Thanks again!


It should be noted, some landlords are assholes and will do everything possible to make breaking the lease as hard as possible, so that you just buckle and pay the early termination fee. Others are amazing, and may even cut you slack and let you break it even before orders start, etc. I've seen both sides.
Make sure your lease has a SCRA provision in it, and read it and know it! http://www.military.com/benefits/milita ... sions.html

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Re: Military Law

Postby ML0576 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:12 pm

I just got an email from the Army JARO with instructions on how to accept the commission and containing next steps. Just wanted to keep everyone in the loop in case some folks didn't get the email yet!

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Re: Military Law

Postby twenty » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:04 pm

Does anyone have an email contact for Army OGC honors? If so, could you PM me?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:36 am

For those who got the invitation for the Army general counsel program, are you active duty or reserve?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Standish » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:43 pm

I compared the list of Army active duty selects with the list of last summer's interns. I was an intern and I am using the list of people who were going to do the internship as of the end of April, 2016, not the list of people selected for the internship.

There were 69 2L interns last summer of which 53 were selected for active duty and 4 were alternates. There were 12 who either did not apply or were not selected. So, 76.8% of last year's 2L interns were primary selectees and 82.6% were either primaries or alternates. The actual selection rate is probably higher, assuming that some chose not to apply rather than were rejected.

There were 17 externs last summer of which 4 (23.5%) were selected for active duty and none were alternates. However, externs are a mix of 1Ls and 2Ls, so it's difficult to know how many were eligible for selection this year and chose to apply.

There were 187 primary selectees this year and 95 alternates, for a total of 282. 2L interns were 28.3% of the primaries, 4.2% of the alternates, and 20.2% of the total. So, while doing the Army JAG internship is extremely helpful in being selected, it is not absolutely essential.

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Re: Military Law

Postby usn26 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:56 pm

Standish wrote:I compared the list of Army active duty selects with the list of last summer's interns. I was an intern and I am using the list of people who were going to do the internship as of the end of April, 2016, not the list of people selected for the internship.

There were 69 2L interns last summer of which 53 were selected for active duty and 4 were alternates. There were 12 who either did not apply or were not selected. So, 76.8% of last year's 2L interns were primary selectees and 82.6% were either primaries or alternates. The actual selection rate is probably higher, assuming that some chose not to apply rather than were rejected.

There were 17 externs last summer of which 4 (23.5%) were selected for active duty and none were alternates. However, externs are a mix of 1Ls and 2Ls, so it's difficult to know how many were eligible for selection this year and chose to apply.

There were 187 primary selectees this year and 95 alternates, for a total of 282. 2L interns were 28.3% of the primaries, 4.2% of the alternates, and 20.2% of the total. So, while doing the Army JAG internship is extremely helpful in being selected, it is not absolutely essential.


Wow this is great data, thanks.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:17 pm

Would doing a JAG internship with a different branch give you a similar boost? I don't know if that data exists, but if anyone could weigh in that'd be great.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:22 pm

Did anyone's LOR writers get contacted during the selection process? I posted this question in a separate topic, but since it's particularly relevant to the JAG context, I thought I'd ask here.

Long story short: got a great LOR from a long-time coach/work supervisor who I just recently had a massive falling out with (not related to the subject matter of the letter; purely personal).

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Would doing a JAG internship with a different branch give you a similar boost? I don't know if that data exists, but if anyone could weigh in that'd be great.


Yes. The reasons why the internship (or even a volunteer externship) can give an applicant a big leg up has been dissected and discussed several times throughout this thread. You can go digging if you are interested.

It is awesome that Standish took the time to run the stats for you all - based on nothing more than my gut and experience, I would expect the Air Force to be in the same ball park.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:39 pm

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Re: Military Law

Postby aussie828 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:18 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Did anyone's LOR writers get contacted during the selection process? I posted this question in a separate topic, but since it's particularly relevant to the JAG context, I thought I'd ask here.

Long story short: got a great LOR from a long-time coach/work supervisor who I just recently had a massive falling out with (not related to the subject matter of the letter; purely personal).


No direct experience on this issue - however, I have never heard of this happening during my time in. Also, as a practical matter, I could not see how JAX or the selection board could actually do this in light of the volume of applicants and the tight deadlines they are under. By analogy, for the hiring I've done in my civilian capacity, short of something incredibly unusual, I will only call the references provided - I am not going out of my way to create additional work for myself.

Under very exceptional circumstances, I guess it could happen (you have a letter from a very senior political leader or military officer) but based on the context of your post, you should be fine.


I had 5 LORs submitted. Only one of mine was contacted, and she's an active duty Air Force officer, so that was most likely the only reason. Probably to get an insider's prospective from one officer to another more directly.




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