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rtb2008x
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Re: Military Law

Postby rtb2008x » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:51 pm

Hi all!

I just went through the first preliminary interview for a Navy JAG appointment. What's the next step? Must I keep checking the website for my application status to change? Or will they send me a follow-up email telling me that I'm still in the game or been dinged?

Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby S. Goodman » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:35 am

rtb2008x wrote:Hi all!

I just went through the first preliminary interview for a Navy JAG appointment. What's the next step? Must I keep checking the website for my application status to change? Or will they send me a follow-up email telling me that I'm still in the game or been dinged?

Thanks!



There is a Navy Jag forum.

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Re: Military Law

Postby JEB » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:12 am

rtb2008x wrote:Hi all!

I just went through the first preliminary interview for a Navy JAG appointment. What's the next step? Must I keep checking the website for my application status to change? Or will they send me a follow-up email telling me that I'm still in the game or been dinged?

Thanks!

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The next step is to hurry up and wait. Don't worry about checking the website constantly, but do make sure to record your username and password somewhere so you can log in later. I was compulsively checking the website once it got close to the date when they were released the year before, and then someone else posted that they had been NPR'd and so I checked again. Less than 2 hours after the first person posted I had received an email from JAG Accessions congratulating me, so you really don't need to worry about doing the compulsive checking.

The only reason you should log in right now is to make sure everything is submitted. You should have had to do that before they would schedule your interview, but just log in and make sure it shows submitted.

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Re: Military Law

Postby LSATmakesMeNeurotic » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:51 pm

What is the opinion of airborne? The army says jags assigned to Bragg are expected to do it.

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:41 pm

Anyon hear back from the Air Force on internships? Already accepted Navy but
curious

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Re: Military Law

Postby MarkfromWI » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:20 am

LSATmakesMeNeurotic wrote:What is the opinion of airborne? The army says jags assigned to Bragg are expected to do it.


What do you mean what is the opinion of airborne? Whose opinion? And where did you see/hear that Bragg JAGs are expected to do it?

(The tone of this message is not meant to be confrontational at all. These questions are out of curiosity)

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Re: Military Law

Postby Stubbazubba » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:32 pm

So, any advice on where to start in this thread? 245 pages is quite a commitment for a 1L, though I'm terribly interested in JAG, and have been since before starting law school. Has any good soul compiled some highlights, or is it just "go as far back as you can stomach and catch up, you'll at least be current" ?

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Re: Military Law

Postby MarkfromWI » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:45 pm

Stubbazubba wrote:So, any advice on where to start in this thread? 245 pages is quite a commitment for a 1L, though I'm terribly interested in JAG, and have been since before starting law school. Has any good soul compiled some highlights, or is it just "go as far back as you can stomach and catch up, you'll at least be current" ?


Honestly, I would start at the beginning. The first approximately 50-70 pages (I know that's a lot) have probably the most "meat in them as far as substantive info is concerned. After that it gradually starts devolving into regurgitation of info already stated and then people discussing the various boards as they come and go each year. At that point you may skim and find a few helpful tidbits here and there but not as consistently as you can earlier on.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:46 pm

Stubbazubba wrote:So, any advice on where to start in this thread? 245 pages is quite a commitment for a 1L, though I'm terribly interested in JAG, and have been since before starting law school. Has any good soul compiled some highlights, or is it just "go as far back as you can stomach and catch up, you'll at least be current" ?

I have a OneNote notebook with the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the thread summarized and organized into sections. PM me with an e-mail address if you're interested.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Stubbazubba » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:36 pm

Thank you both.

Howell, PM sent.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Fed_Atty » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:18 am

Perhaps a few of us could collaborate. I can speak to the Navy from application through first few tours. Maybe we put something together and it gets stickied?

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Re: Military Law

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:49 am

MarkfromWI wrote:
LSATmakesMeNeurotic wrote:What is the opinion of airborne? The army says jags assigned to Bragg are expected to do it.


What do you mean what is the opinion of airborne? Whose opinion? And where did you see/hear that Bragg JAGs are expected to do it?

(The tone of this message is not meant to be confrontational at all. These questions are out of curiosity)


If you are at a unit that is an airborne unit (includes most of Fort Bragg), you would get sent to Airborne School. You'll also be sent to Air Assault School if you're at 95% of the units on Fort Campbell. Neither of them are all that difficult if you are physically fit and pay attention.

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Re: Military Law

Postby edja0603 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:50 pm

So I'm a little bit nervous, as JAX said point blank that I'm 100% likely to be disqualified by MEPS. Which means holding out hope on a waiver, where JAX says it's difficult to tell one way or the other which way it will go. It sucks to get so far and then to leave your chances on basically a coin flip. But I'm hopeful for a waiver. Anybody have any advice on what I should try and do? Anything I can do to tip a waiver more in my favor?

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:01 pm

edja0603 wrote:So I'm a little bit nervous, as JAX said point blank that I'm 100% likely to be disqualified by MEPS. Which means holding out hope on a waiver, where JAX says it's difficult to tell one way or the other which way it will go. It sucks to get so far and then to leave your chances on basically a coin flip. But I'm hopeful for a waiver. Anybody have any advice on what I should try and do? Anything I can do to tip a waiver more in my favor?


What's the issue they think you'll be disqualified for?

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Re: Military Law

Postby ShockTop » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:10 pm

Not to hijack, but after reading through the pages here, I used an inhaler for exercise about 12 years ago for the course of a month or two. I haven't needed one since, playing seasons upon seasons of athletics in the interim. What are the odds of a waiver in that type of situation?
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Re: Military Law

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:13 pm

ShockTop wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:
edja0603 wrote:So I'm a little bit nervous, as JAX said point blank that I'm 100% likely to be disqualified by MEPS. Which means holding out hope on a waiver, where JAX says it's difficult to tell one way or the other which way it will go. It sucks to get so far and then to leave your chances on basically a coin flip. But I'm hopeful for a waiver. Anybody have any advice on what I should try and do? Anything I can do to tip a waiver more in my favor?


What's the issue they think you'll be disqualified for?


Not to hijack, but after reading through the pages here, I used an inhaler for exercise about 12 years ago for the course of a month or two. I haven't needed one since, playing seasons upon seasons of athletics in the interim. What are the odds of a waiver in that type of situation?


If you don't use it anymore, it most likely won't be an issue. Which branch? My experience is with the Army, but my guess is for medical waivers they are all similar.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ShockTop » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:15 pm

NonTradLawHopeful wrote:
ShockTop wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:
edja0603 wrote:So I'm a little bit nervous, as JAX said point blank that I'm 100% likely to be disqualified by MEPS. Which means holding out hope on a waiver, where JAX says it's difficult to tell one way or the other which way it will go. It sucks to get so far and then to leave your chances on basically a coin flip. But I'm hopeful for a waiver. Anybody have any advice on what I should try and do? Anything I can do to tip a waiver more in my favor?


What's the issue they think you'll be disqualified for?


Not to hijack, but after reading through the pages here, I used an inhaler for exercise about 12 years ago for the course of a month or two. I haven't needed one since, playing seasons upon seasons of athletics in the interim. What are the odds of a waiver in that type of situation?


If you don't use it anymore, it most likely won't be an issue. Which branch? My experience is with the Army, but my guess is for medical waivers they are all similar.


I only applied to the Navy. My worry was the "Post 13 years old inhaler usage" thing. I was about 17-18 when I used it.

EDIT: Talked to my family doc out of curiosity. He said what he has done in the past for patients entering the armed forces is when they ask for documentation, he includes a letter saying that the patient (me) hasn't had symptoms in X number of years and in his medical opinion, I'm cured," or something to that effect, if it happens to be the case. He said he's never had an issue with it before, but the horror stories online are concerning.
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Re: Military Law

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:22 pm

You should be good with that documentation. When I first tried joining the military I was disqualified for a heart murmur and food allergies from first grade. Got documentation for both from a doctor and the decision was reversed. Sometimes I think the military just wants to see how badly you'll work to get through all the hoops.

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Re: Military Law

Postby JEB » Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:11 pm

To give the experience of someone who got cleared by MEPS last week:

I was diagnosed with asthma when I was 2 and last used an inhaler 8 years ago when I was 16. I hadn't had an issue since. When I first started considering JAG, my doctor did a spirometry test so that he could include a note in my file saying that I didn't have asthma anymore. Even with that (the spirometry test was 13 months old when MEPS got it), they made me do a pre-/post-bronchodilator spirometry test. I got it done and sent it in and they cleared me to physical.

When I got to MEPS, the doctor doing the interview asked me about it, but not terribly much. They cleared me straight through without any need for a waiver. Now, my pre-/post- showed normal PFT values with no change after being given an albuterol inhaler, so that ruled out asthma, but they will probably make you do that at least.

Good luck.

Edit: Probably should mention that I'm going Navy, but that really matters more on the waiver end, which MEPS didn't even make me worry about because they cleared me there.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Fed_Atty » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:51 am

I think most people are aware of the jag.navy.mil website. However, there is also a pretty good youtube channel with a number of Judge Advocates telling their story and some good overall information.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NavyJAGCorps

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Re: Military Law

Postby S. Goodman » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:05 am

JEB wrote:To give the experience of someone who got cleared by MEPS last week:

I was diagnosed with asthma when I was 2 and last used an inhaler 8 years ago when I was 16. I hadn't had an issue since. When I first started considering JAG, my doctor did a spirometry test so that he could include a note in my file saying that I didn't have asthma anymore. Even with that (the spirometry test was 13 months old when MEPS got it), they made me do a pre-/post-bronchodilator spirometry test. I got it done and sent it in and they cleared me to physical.

When I got to MEPS, the doctor doing the interview asked me about it, but not terribly much. They cleared me straight through without any need for a waiver. Now, my pre-/post- showed normal PFT values with no change after being given an albuterol inhaler, so that ruled out asthma, but they will probably make you do that at least.

Good luck.

Edit: Probably should mention that I'm going Navy, but that really matters more on the waiver end, which MEPS didn't even make me worry about because they cleared me there.


Have you had to weigh in and do a PRT yet? Is that even required before you commission? Do you do that after you pass the BAR and go to training? Insight?

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Re: Military Law

Postby JEB » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:16 am

I had to be weighed, but don't have to do a prt until I report to ODS after the bar exam as far as I know.

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Re: Military Law

Postby S. Goodman » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:17 am

JEB wrote:I had to be weighed, but don't have to do a prt until I report to ODS after the bar exam as far as I know.



Thanks.

So now that you are through MEPS, at what point does the commissioning happen, the point where you have to officially commit?

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Re: Military Law

Postby JAG Hopeful » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:18 am

S. Goodman, this is my secondhand knowledge but it's accurate. First, the PFT Jeb refers to is the Pulmonary Function Test, something related to asthma and not to the Physical Readiness Test. The PRT you'll take for the first time when you report to ODS at Newport. Also, you do indeed have to have your bar passage in hand before going to ODS. As I understand it, if you fail the bar once, it's not good but it does happen to people occasionally. You simply go and take the next test. However, if you fail twice, the Navy will ask you to resign your commission and separate.

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Re: Military Law

Postby JEB » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:31 am

S. Goodman wrote:
JEB wrote:I had to be weighed, but don't have to do a prt until I report to ODS after the bar exam as far as I know.



Thanks.

So now that you are through MEPS, at what point does the commissioning happen, the point where you have to officially commit?


Goodman,

I'm still waiting on my final selection letter and commissioning documents. Those have to wait at least on my security clearance investigation being initiated. I don't know how long that will take. I will let you know when I get commissioned to give you an idea of how soon after MEPS clearance it happens.

JAG Hopeful wrote:S. Goodman, this is my secondhand knowledge but it's accurate. First, the PFT Jeb refers to is the Pulmonary Function Test, something related to asthma and not to the Physical Readiness Test. The PRT you'll take for the first time when you report to ODS at Newport. Also, you do indeed have to have your bar passage in hand before going to ODS. As I understand it, if you fail the bar once, it's not good but it does happen to people occasionally. You simply go and take the next test. However, if you fail twice, the Navy will ask you to resign your commission and separate.


Almost correct.

Everyone is expected to take the first bar exam after graduation (assuming you graduate in May, that means the July exam). After you take the bar exam, you are given orders to report to ODS either in August or October. You report to ODS before you have your bar results. After ODS, you return to inactive status until your bar results come in. Once you have your bar membership, then you report to the Basic Lawyer Course at NJS.

If you fail the bar exam twice, you are expected to resign your commission and separate.




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