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Patrick Bateman
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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:27 pm

patrickd139 wrote:Anyone know the new phone number for the national AF JAG recruiting office? 800-JAG-USAF is out of service when I call it.


I swear that number was working a week ago. I will track down someone at JAX and figure out what the deal is.


Unrelated but still important:

We got word today that the USAF JAG loan repayment program is further along the pipeline, projected to start paying out in the last quarter of fiscal year 2010. So, August 2010, give or take. It looks like it will be annual payments that will max out at $65K. No idea how much a JAG is entitled to each year. It does not sound like an additional service commitment comes with the money but I cannot say for certain. Most important for those in my position, it will be retroactive for Captains who have been in grade 3 or less years.

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Re: Military Law

Postby patrickd139 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:45 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:Anyone know the new phone number for the national AF JAG recruiting office? 800-JAG-USAF is out of service when I call it.


I swear that number was working a week ago. I will track down someone at JAX and figure out what the deal is.


Unrelated but still important:

We got word today that the USAF JAG loan repayment program is further along the pipeline, projected to start paying out in the last quarter of fiscal year 2010. So, August 2010, give or take. It looks like it will be annual payments that will max out at $65K. No idea how much a JAG is entitled to each year. It does not sound like an additional service commitment comes with the money but I cannot say for certain. Most important for those in my position, it will be retroactive for Captains who have been in grade 3 or less years.


Color me impressed. Not sure what kind of pull you have PB, but it is now ringing when I call (though it's after hours, so I'll have to call tomorrow). Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Yointer » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:07 pm

MTal wrote:Marine OCS FTW.


TITCR

Is anyone else in the application process to go PLC-L this summer?

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Re: Military Law

Postby MTal » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:29 pm

Yointer wrote:
MTal wrote:Marine OCS FTW.


TITCR

Is anyone else in the application process to go PLC-L this summer?


Hey, you post on Marineocs, haha.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ArkansasFan » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:53 pm

texaslawyer wrote:ArkansasFan that wouldn't be a bad way to go. I appled for an AFROTC schloarship many years ago and I wanted to fly and be a JAG. You could do that back then. I don't think you can now.


You know I've thought about this more lately, but being a 30 year old 0-1 would be kind of odd wouldn't it?

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Re: Military Law

Postby brownshoe » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:55 am

ArkansasFan wrote:
texaslawyer wrote:ArkansasFan that wouldn't be a bad way to go. I appled for an AFROTC schloarship many years ago and I wanted to fly and be a JAG. You could do that back then. I don't think you can now.


You know I've thought about this more lately, but being a 30 year old 0-1 would be kind of odd wouldn't it?



No. There are plenty of prior enlisted junior officers out there. There are also plenty of people that worked for a few years before realizing how boring there life was before seeking a commission! The bottom line is, no one cares how old you are, just that you can do your job.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:56 pm

ArkansasFan wrote:
texaslawyer wrote:ArkansasFan that wouldn't be a bad way to go. I appled for an AFROTC schloarship many years ago and I wanted to fly and be a JAG. You could do that back then. I don't think you can now.


You know I've thought about this more lately, but being a 30 year old 0-1 would be kind of odd wouldn't it?


I agree 100% with Brownshoe in this regard. I actually worked with an AF OSI agent who was an SMSgt (E-8) before getting his commission.

You also be an 0-2 once you are in the JAG pipeline and put on 0-3 after 6 months.

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Re: Military Law

Postby nickc321 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:16 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:Anyone know the new phone number for the national AF JAG recruiting office? 800-JAG-USAF is out of service when I call it.


I swear that number was working a week ago. I will track down someone at JAX and figure out what the deal is.


Unrelated but still important:

We got word today that the USAF JAG loan repayment program is further along the pipeline, projected to start paying out in the last quarter of fiscal year 2010. So, August 2010, give or take. It looks like it will be annual payments that will max out at $65K. No idea how much a JAG is entitled to each year. It does not sound like an additional service commitment comes with the money but I cannot say for certain. Most important for those in my position, it will be retroactive for Captains who have been in grade 3 or less years.



Please keep us updated on this. I've already been accepted by the AF and am up for this Army board. If selected by the Army, the loan repayment was a big consideration as to which branch I would ultimately end up in so this may equalize the playing field a little if it is retroactive.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ArkansasFan » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:57 pm

brownshoe wrote:
ArkansasFan wrote:
texaslawyer wrote:ArkansasFan that wouldn't be a bad way to go. I appled for an AFROTC schloarship many years ago and I wanted to fly and be a JAG. You could do that back then. I don't think you can now.


You know I've thought about this more lately, but being a 30 year old 0-1 would be kind of odd wouldn't it?



No. There are plenty of prior enlisted junior officers out there. There are also plenty of people that worked for a few years before realizing how boring there life was before seeking a commission! The bottom line is, no one cares how old you are, just that you can do your job.



Good to know. Thanks.

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Re: Military Law

Postby texaslawyer » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:00 am

ArkansasFan,

Prior enlisted make the best officers for a number of reasons. I think the most important reason is maturity and familarity with military procedures and systems. As a JAG, you would go in at an O2 or O3 level, and move up very quickly. If you want to be a litigator this would be a great place to start. You would get thrown into the briar patch very quickly. From what I've seen, military law can get very ugly, particularily in criminal matters. Like we Texans say, "Back your ears and dive in !" It's not a bad place to start.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ArkansasFan » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:43 am

texaslawyer wrote:ArkansasFan,

Prior enlisted make the best officers for a number of reasons. I think the most important reason is maturity and familarity with military procedures and systems. As a JAG, you would go in at an O2 or O3 level, and move up very quickly. If you want to be a litigator this would be a great place to start. You would get thrown into the briar patch very quickly. From what I've seen, military law can get very ugly, particularily in criminal matters. Like we Texans say, "Back your ears and dive in !" It's not a bad place to start.


Thanks. Obviously, I'm interested in law, or I wouldn't be here, and through research I've found out that JAGs start at O2 for about six months before becoming an O3. Right now, I'm actually kicking around the idea of enrolling in a much less time consuming (and cheaper) master's degree program and engaging in AFROTC after which we all know I'd be an O1. I'm not sure how I got to this, but it seems interesting. I realize this isn't the forum for this, but I thought I'd kick it out there with the abundance of like-minded military types out there.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Rotor » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:56 am

Happy Veterans' Day to all who have/do/will serve[d]!

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Re: Military Law

Postby CyLaw » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:02 pm

Rotor wrote:Happy Veterans' Day to all who have/do/will serve[d]!


Happy Veterans Day also. Did you hear that UVA just accepted someone via email with a Happy Veteran's Day notice. They are stationed overseas at the moment.

That is just a super appropriate way to do it, I think.

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Re: Military Law

Postby jjleague » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:02 pm

You have to be citizen to be an Officer but not enlisted. Once you become a citizen then you came apply to become an Officer. Each branch has their own route, usually OCS.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Rotor » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:32 pm

CyLaw wrote:
Rotor wrote:Happy Veterans' Day to all who have/do/will serve[d]!


Happy Veterans Day also. Did you hear that UVA just accepted someone via email with a Happy Veteran's Day notice. They are stationed overseas at the moment.

That is just a super appropriate way to do it, I think.

That's awesome!! Dean Trujillo seemed very classy through my cycle last year. This is yet another example. (except for that bit where he didn't accept me, he's OK in my book :lol:)

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Re: Military Law

Postby texaslawyer » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:32 pm

HAPPY VETERANS DAY !

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Re: Military Law

Postby Kalas » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:57 am

Undead_Ed wrote:The Field Screening Officer was saying 8% get picked up. He told everybody "When you don't get selected, make sure you apply again."


That's not very reassuring at all. I don't want to get stuck in a cycle of reapplications and hope for something that may never happen ie. the ultra low selection rate.

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Re: Military Law

Postby texaslawyer » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:08 pm

Military law is what it is. I believe it's a wonderful place to start. However, Marine JAGs may have to command an infantry unit, amhib, etc. Time was you could fly and practice law in the Corps, but no longer. Graham-Rudman crucified that program dead and buried. Frequently the Marine Corps is referred to as The Crotch. The reason is it's a nasty subject. Another favorite Marine saying, "Life is one big shit sandwich and from time to time we all have to take a bite".

UUURAHHHH!!!!!!! IT'S a Marine thing !

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Re: Military Law

Postby amped » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:32 pm

Anyone have any idea when the 2L Summer Internship results for Army/AF will be released?

Also, anyone have any idea how the new loan repayment programs for the Army (and AF I think) will interact with the CCRA (or whatever its called, the federal loan legislation). Will the service repayment thing kick in and then the federal repayment on top of that? I've found it rather difficult to get a layman's explanation on this.

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Re: Military Law

Postby wesleybs » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:51 am

Amped: Found another forum where a person from last year or the year before got his rejection in early December.

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Re: Military Law

Postby cake » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:18 pm

wesleybs wrote:Amped: Found another forum where a person from last year or the year before got his rejection in early December.

I called them yesterday to confirm. Decisions usually come out in December.

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Re: Military Law

Postby J-Rod » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:49 pm

yeah, they'll wanna get them out before the down time for Christmas/new years

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:41 pm

Update on the AF JAG loan repayment:

Good news. It appears everything has come together and the program, while not offically annoucned, will be a go for the last fiscal quarter of 2010. $65K, paid in three annual installments. The only less than ideal thing is that it will be considered W-2 income, so it will be taxed. It should amount to roughly $17,500 after taxes accounding to my source. JAG will work directly with the loan company for the payments; in other words, we never actually get a check or anything.

I'm extra excited as it looks like I will be deployed when the first payment goes out, so I may be able to land all of that tax free.

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Re: Military Law

Postby BHL » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:22 pm

PB, is there a link to the new loan repayment program? In a quick google search, I didn't find anything outside of a few articles on Army's version.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:59 pm

BHL wrote:PB, is there a link to the new loan repayment program? In a quick google search, I didn't find anything outside of a few articles on Army's version.


Negative. As I mentioned in the post, it is still unofficial, in the sense that HQ USAF or TJAG has not unveiled it. That said, it successfully navigated all the bureaucratic channels and was passed on to my leadership, from their leadership, as a done deal.

As soon as I get something I am able to pass on for public consumption, I will.




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