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spleenworship
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Re: Military Law

Postby spleenworship » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:41 pm

71723 wrote:
eas123 wrote:Not a joke. AF internship was awesome -- the SJA there has been a reference since '09. My suspicion: history of depression. I saw a college counselor as a first-year 7-8 years ago and then a therapist a handful of times about 5 years ago, and took a low-level med. (REALLY THREATENING STUFF.) Stupidly, I told every branch about it because I wanted to be honest -- dumb dumb dumb. I'm also in Navy medical processing limbo (I was chosen as an alternate in May) for that very reason. Navy is a different frustrating story entirely.

Does anyone also have any insight on whether being chosen as an alternate for Navy would have been a mark against me for AF...? Or maybe it really is all because of this scaaaary, scary mental health history. I don't know. So easy to say no to any of us these days.

Sincere congratulations to anyone accepted because I know how frustrating this process is, and how awesome it must be to hear "yes"!


Being completely serious, what prevents someone like you from just applying again and not listing that stuff. Do they keep records on your previous applications? It's absurd for a low-level, non-issue to preclude you from service.


I think they do keep records. But even if they didn't, his counselor and prescriber do. You get in without disclosing and they can give you the Big Chicken Dinner at any point for enlistment under false pretenses.

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Re: Military Law

Postby 71723 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:00 pm

Thanks for the input, Spleen. I'm not advocating for not disclosing stuff, it just sounds like this is one person who felt like it was "dumb dumb dumb" being honest since it might be hurting his chances, even though it shouldn't.

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Re: Military Law

Postby spleenworship » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:07 pm

I understand this person's frustrations. I was selected for AF, told them. About my kidney issues and my recent depression (which I was on meds for) and got the "call us two years after you get off the meds" speech.

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Re: Military Law

Postby coffee282 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:34 pm

Selected for oct af board (1st time). Feeling incredibly lucky but terrified at the same time. I really hope things come through for everyone else here. I don't feel that my stats (T20 school, AF summer internship 2L year) were particularly better than anyone else. Good luck on the december board you guys!
As far as those of us selected though, does anyone know what happens now? I know you're supposed to get a "packet" but that's about it.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Puttanesca » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:45 pm

coffee282 wrote:Selected for oct af board (1st time). Feeling incredibly lucky but terrified at the same time. I really hope things come through for everyone else here. I don't feel that my stats (T20 school, AF summer internship 2L year) were particularly better than anyone else. Good luck on the december board you guys!
As far as those of us selected though, does anyone know what happens now? I know you're supposed to get a "packet" but that's about it.


Congrats! After you get your packet, you will start the medical process. There will be instructions in the packet on who to contact to set up your medical interview. Depending on your medical history, it could be a few weeks, or it could be months before you get to MEPS.

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Re: Military Law

Postby coffee282 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:45 pm

Puttanesca wrote:
coffee282 wrote:Selected for oct af board (1st time). Feeling incredibly lucky but terrified at the same time. I really hope things come through for everyone else here. I don't feel that my stats (T20 school, AF summer internship 2L year) were particularly better than anyone else. Good luck on the december board you guys!
As far as those of us selected though, does anyone know what happens now? I know you're supposed to get a "packet" but that's about it.


Congrats! After you get your packet, you will start the medical process. There will be instructions in the packet on who to contact to set up your medical interview. Depending on your medical history, it could be a few weeks, or it could be months before you get to MEPS.


Thank you! I had a vision correction surgery done in a foreign nation ... so I'm hoping the waiver-issuing authorities won't make a big deal out of that. Reading all these horror stories about MEPS and people getting DQ'd scares the crap out of me honestly haha. I can't imagine getting what I wanted snatched out of my hands over "trivial"/'manageable" issues.

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Re: Military Law

Postby afangel804 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:12 pm

I was selected for the Oct. board as well. It was my first time applying, although I applied for the Graduate Law Program during my 1L year and was not selected (bad interview, I believe). As the previous poster noted, my stats are not particularly great in some respects. I am prior service (enlisted AF linguist) with 6 years active duty service and several deployments during that time.

Military service--first in my class at the Defense Language Institute; received academic award from Airman Leadership School (required professional military education course)
Undergrad--University of Nebraska at Omaha, Bachelor of General Studies with focus in CJ, 3.94
LSAT--155
Law school--IU, 3.21; no journal; moot court; managing role of an organization at the law school; criminal law focused courses; Trial Ad
Internships--Office of General Counsel at a DoD agency (1L summer), state prosecutor's office (2L summer & fall externship)
Letters--Current Army Nat'l Guard JAG/chief deputy prosecutor; supervisor from the AF; Former Navy JAG/Advisor to General Counsel from DoD Agency where I interned
Motivational statement--focused on how my experience as an enlisted military member would make me a better AF officer and wrote about my demonstrated interest in public service
Interview--I felt as though my interview went particularly well. Having done real trial work at the prosecutor's office gave me confidence and gave me a lot to talk about. Interview was very casual. I believe it's easier for prior service folks to show our genuine interest in the military and willingness to make the sacrifices required, so that might be one area where non-prior military might want to focus.

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Re: Military Law

Postby eas123 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:28 pm

(I'm a "she," btw :-P) RE: keeping records -- an SJA told me once that the "last few applications should still be in the file," so I've always just figured they know everything that I've told them in the past.

Just reapplied for Dec. Board. 3 days from the rejection letter to the next deadline?? Whew! Good luck, folks.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Puttanesca » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:23 pm

coffee282 wrote:
Puttanesca wrote:
coffee282 wrote:Selected for oct af board (1st time). Feeling incredibly lucky but terrified at the same time. I really hope things come through for everyone else here. I don't feel that my stats (T20 school, AF summer internship 2L year) were particularly better than anyone else. Good luck on the december board you guys!
As far as those of us selected though, does anyone know what happens now? I know you're supposed to get a "packet" but that's about it.


Congrats! After you get your packet, you will start the medical process. There will be instructions in the packet on who to contact to set up your medical interview. Depending on your medical history, it could be a few weeks, or it could be months before you get to MEPS.


Thank you! I had a vision correction surgery done in a foreign nation ... so I'm hoping the waiver-issuing authorities won't make a big deal out of that. Reading all these horror stories about MEPS and people getting DQ'd scares the crap out of me honestly haha. I can't imagine getting what I wanted snatched out of my hands over "trivial"/'manageable" issues.


Since you will need to get medical records for the vision correction surgery, get them now (and get records for any other issues you think you might have after going reading the medical form). It can take a while to get med records, and you want to make sure you can get them to the recruiter as soon as possible so that you can start the MEPS process.

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Re: Military Law

Postby DEG1989 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:57 am

Anyone else going to Navy ODS this weekend? The website and a lot of the blogs out there about ODS seem pretty out of date, if there are any Navy JAs that have been through recently and can provide basic tips/packing advice that would be great!

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:16 pm

Congrats to flyer, coffee, and afangel!!! We are proud of you all. Please update this thread as you start and continue through your journey.

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Re: Military Law

Postby theinvisiblehand » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:53 pm

Congrats to all selected for the Air Force.

Has anyone been selected for the Navy yet, or does anyone have an idea of when we might hear back?

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:57 pm

Genuine question, not inter-service trolling:

Why do so many people seem to be singularly focused on the AF? They have some of the most desolate duty stations in the military.

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Re: Military Law

Postby shintopig » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:00 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:Genuine question, not inter-service trolling:

Why do so many people seem to be singularly focused on the AF? They have some of the most desolate duty stations in the military.


They (AF) literally just released board results this past Friday. In Dec, when Navy & Army release theirs, I'm sure people'll talk about those.

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Re: Military Law

Postby MarkfromWI » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:59 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:Genuine question, not inter-service trolling:

Why do so many people seem to be singularly focused on the AF? They have some of the most desolate duty stations in the military.


I'm sure it's probably a combination of a lot of factors. I'd guess it has a lot to do with the "chair force" reputation and being the closest to civilian life, so it appeals to people who want to do JAG but aren't interested in spending 6 months at Marine TBS or 8 weeks at Army DCC. Or perhaps it's because the AF has more of a generalist approach to its JAGs compared to, for example, the Army which more or less rotates you through subject areas a year at a time (at least that was my understanding of how the Army does it) or the Navy which has contracted out a lot of the practice areas to civilians. Maybe it's the 180 deployments vs. 365s. And I'm sure no one actually expects to get stationed in Enid, OK. Nightmares like that only happen to the other guy...

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Re: Military Law

Postby coffee282 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:29 pm

shintopig wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Genuine question, not inter-service trolling:

Why do so many people seem to be singularly focused on the AF? They have some of the most desolate duty stations in the military.


They (AF) literally just released board results this past Friday. In Dec, when Navy & Army release theirs, I'm sure people'll talk about those.


http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/56155721.jpg

not to make fun of, but, that's what I thought of immediately haha.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:51 pm

MarkfromWI wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Genuine question, not inter-service trolling:

Why do so many people seem to be singularly focused on the AF? They have some of the most desolate duty stations in the military.


I'm sure it's probably a combination of a lot of factors. I'd guess it has a lot to do with the "chair force" reputation and being the closest to civilian life, so it appeals to people who want to do JAG but aren't interested in spending 6 months at Marine TBS or 8 weeks at Army DCC. Or perhaps it's because the AF has more of a generalist approach to its JAGs compared to, for example, the Army which more or less rotates you through subject areas a year at a time (at least that was my understanding of how the Army does it) or the Navy which has contracted out a lot of the practice areas to civilians. Maybe it's the 180 deployments vs. 365s. And I'm sure no one actually expects to get stationed in Enid, OK. Nightmares like that only happen to the other guy...

I agree that these influence the decision for a lot of people.

Although the Air Force has some godforsaken locations, there are enough decent options that most people ignore the smaller chance of getting stuck in an igloo in Minot or whatever. And in the AF, we move every 2 years, so in your 4 year commitment, if you draw the short straw for one assignment, they do a good job of getting you something better for your next base.

Plus if you don't know if you want to be stuck on a ship or working with soldiers, then the AF is a pretty clear choice.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Mista Bojangles » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:59 pm

Accepted to the October AF board, and received welcome packet in the mail. The letter says to notify them "immediately" if I decide not to accept the position. Is the timetable really that tight? I was hoping to have a while (a few weeks, at least) to think over the decision.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:48 pm

Mista Bojangles wrote:Accepted to the October AF board, and received welcome packet in the mail. The letter says to notify them "immediately" if I decide not to accept the position. Is the timetable really that tight? I was hoping to have a while (a few weeks, at least) to think over the decision.

I don't know how long they'll wait for a response, but you aren't really "committed" until you take your commissioning oath. Certainly, considering the competitiveness for these positions, if you know you don't want the position, let JAX know ASAP so they can get to the next candidate.

But you still have to go through the whole MEPS process, which will take several weeks or months. If you aren't a member of a bar, you will have to wait for bar results before you actually have a position. So I would suggest moving forward with the rest of the process if you aren't 100% sure.

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Re: Military Law

Postby lawhaze » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:35 am

Are other Army AD applicants' application statuses still listed as "Under Completeness Review"? I know this question is asked every year, but I'd like to see what the current situation is.

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Re: Military Law

Postby MarkfromWI » Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:21 pm

lawhaze wrote:Are other Army AD applicants' application statuses still listed as "Under Completeness Review"? I know this question is asked every year, but I'd like to see what the current situation is.


Not AD, but my internship app is currently "pending board decision." Not sure when the status changed, though, because I wasn't really planning on checking the status until mid-December until I saw your post.

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Re: Military Law

Postby BF0343 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:50 pm

MarkfromWI wrote:
lawhaze wrote:Are other Army AD applicants' application statuses still listed as "Under Completeness Review"? I know this question is asked every year, but I'd like to see what the current situation is.


Don't worry. It will eventually change to "Pending Board Decision."

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Re: Military Law

Postby UFlaw15 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:29 pm

My Army AD says "Pending Board Decision." How long after the application deadline have the results in the past come out?

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Re: Military Law

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:39 pm

Any veterans (particularly those still in the IRR) know whether you have to go through MEPS again?

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Re: Military Law

Postby afangel804 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:20 am

TheSpanishMain wrote:Any veterans (particularly those still in the IRR) know whether you have to go through MEPS again?


Vet here--out of IRR status in 2012 though. I have to go through MEPS for the AF. However, the officer I interviewed with for the Army said they are not using MEPS; selectees would do something that is more akin to a normal physical instead.




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