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Re: Military Law

Postby UnicornHunter » Mon May 12, 2014 12:14 am

travellingboarder wrote:
I was hoping to go into Intelligence for a few years and then moving over to JAG if possible. My uncle worked in intelligence back in the 70s in Pakistan and Japan and did some awesome work for the country. Plus, I've been to 42 countries and lived on 4 continents over about a decade. I might fit in with the intelligence operations. I'll take what I can get though. I'm doing research now to see what's appealing. I'll ask the recruiter what the needs are also. I think that'll help me make my decision whether to enlist.


Just about to get out Intel Sergeant here... don't do this. While there are cool jobs in the intel community (like, really really cool ones) the vast majority of jobs are more like "make sure people in the unit have clearances and shred what needs to be shredded." It's different downrange, but downrange isn't really something you can count on anymore. Once you enlist, you'll just be another specialist; big Army won't GAF what your background is or how many degrees you have. I had a buddy getting paid for two high priority languages that's been from one infantry battalion to another. He hasn't been in a position that took advantage of his language skills or his cultural knowledge, and he likely never will be in one.

Like I said, cool jobs are out there. But you likely will have to a) rock the ASVAB b) reenlist and c) get really lucky to get them. I don't regret my time with the Army at all, but I was lucky to be placed with people who saw past my rank. Only consider enlisting for intel if you want to do a career in intel (like, you'd be willing to reenlist and forget JAG), and even then make sure you're aware it might not be everything you expect. Also, your SF 86 is going to be a nightmare for a TS if you've lived in all the places you say you have. That shouldn't discourage you, but expect yours to be a long investigation.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Mon May 12, 2014 4:34 pm

Sorry to derail the thread but....

This wait for the AF DAP results is brutal. I thought for sure results would be out faster due to the new online application system. Good luck to all those waiting to hear!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Blackie Toy » Mon May 12, 2014 5:02 pm

armyhooah wrote:
Blackie Toy wrote:JARO has emailed a tentative class breakdown for those selected in the FY14 board. Congrats and good luck!


Which branch? Could you elaborate a little? Haven't heard of that email, thanks!


Army JAG. Classes are January, June, October 2015.

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Re: Military Law

Postby armyhooah » Mon May 12, 2014 10:10 pm

Blackie Toy wrote:
armyhooah wrote:
Blackie Toy wrote:JARO has emailed a tentative class breakdown for those selected in the FY14 board. Congrats and good luck!


Which branch? Could you elaborate a little? Haven't heard of that email, thanks!


Army JAG. Classes are January, June, October 2015.


I see, thanks!

Also, maxpayne, the wait's the absolute worst part, I agree. Hope you hear good news soon!

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Tue May 13, 2014 10:01 am

From the AF JAG Recruiting FB page:

Congratulations to all of our April 2014 selectees! The April 2014 Direct Appointment board met and selections have been made. All applicants will be notified by mail. The letters were mailed this week, please watch your mailbox. Please note: we can no longer accept address changes at this time. Please be sure to forward your mail if you have moved recently. We apologize up front but we cannot provide selection decisions over the phone.

Interesting that they won't be making phone calls. Good luck!

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue May 13, 2014 11:04 am

howell wrote:From the AF JAG Recruiting FB page:

Congratulations to all of our April 2014 selectees! The April 2014 Direct Appointment board met and selections have been made. All applicants will be notified by mail. The letters were mailed this week, please watch your mailbox. Please note: we can no longer accept address changes at this time. Please be sure to forward your mail if you have moved recently. We apologize up front but we cannot provide selection decisions over the phone.

Interesting that they won't be making phone calls. Good luck!


Was not expecting this. Everyone please post when you receive your letter!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Puttanesca » Tue May 13, 2014 11:15 am

howell wrote:From the AF JAG Recruiting FB page:

Congratulations to all of our April 2014 selectees! The April 2014 Direct Appointment board met and selections have been made. All applicants will be notified by mail. The letters were mailed this week, please watch your mailbox. Please note: we can no longer accept address changes at this time. Please be sure to forward your mail if you have moved recently. We apologize up front but we cannot provide selection decisions over the phone.

Interesting that they won't be making phone calls. Good luck!


No they are making calls. I got one from my interviewing SJA.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue May 13, 2014 11:18 am

Congrats Putt!

Well, I guess everyone should have their phone handy.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Puttanesca » Tue May 13, 2014 11:25 am

maxpayne wrote:Congrats Putt!

Well, I guess everyone should have their phone handy.


Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue May 13, 2014 11:26 am

Puttanesca wrote:
maxpayne wrote:Congrats Putt!

Well, I guess everyone should have their phone handy.


Thanks!


What state did you do your SJA interview in?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Puttanesca » Tue May 13, 2014 11:29 am

maxpayne wrote:
Puttanesca wrote:
maxpayne wrote:Congrats Putt!

Well, I guess everyone should have their phone handy.


Thanks!


What state did you do your SJA interview in?


It's on the East Coast. So EST time zone.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue May 13, 2014 11:30 am

Puttanesca wrote:
maxpayne wrote:
Puttanesca wrote:
maxpayne wrote:Congrats Putt!

Well, I guess everyone should have their phone handy.


Thanks!


What state did you do your SJA interview in?


It's on the East Coast. So EST time zone.


Cool - thanks and congrats again!

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue May 13, 2014 12:13 pm

Well, I broke down and emailed my SJA. Unfortunately, I am on my way to DAP Board number 5. Good luck to the rest of you!

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Re: Military Law

Postby paulmiller13 » Tue May 13, 2014 12:34 pm

maxpayne wrote:Well, I broke down and emailed my SJA. Unfortunately, I am on my way to DAP Board number 5. Good luck to the rest of you!

I'm sorry to hear that. I was really hoping it would work out for you this time. You have been a great help and resource to us all.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue May 13, 2014 12:41 pm

paulmiller13 wrote:
maxpayne wrote:Well, I broke down and emailed my SJA. Unfortunately, I am on my way to DAP Board number 5. Good luck to the rest of you!

I'm sorry to hear that. I was really hoping it would work out for you this time. You have been a great help and resource to us all.


Thanks Paul. I really appreciate it.

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Re: Military Law

Postby spleenworship » Tue May 13, 2014 12:51 pm

Congratulations to all who got selected for Air Force JAG!

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Re: Military Law

Postby DannyBoy31 » Tue May 13, 2014 1:01 pm

Got the call at 8:20 a.m. Eastern time. This was my third board. Best of luck to everyone else!

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Re: Military Law

Postby travellingboarder » Wed May 14, 2014 12:00 am

TheUnicornHunter wrote:
travellingboarder wrote:
I was hoping to go into Intelligence for a few years and then moving over to JAG if possible. My uncle worked in intelligence back in the 70s in Pakistan and Japan and did some awesome work for the country. Plus, I've been to 42 countries and lived on 4 continents over about a decade. I might fit in with the intelligence operations. I'll take what I can get though. I'm doing research now to see what's appealing. I'll ask the recruiter what the needs are also. I think that'll help me make my decision whether to enlist.


Just about to get out Intel Sergeant here... don't do this. While there are cool jobs in the intel community (like, really really cool ones) the vast majority of jobs are more like "make sure people in the unit have clearances and shred what needs to be shredded." It's different downrange, but downrange isn't really something you can count on anymore. Once you enlist, you'll just be another specialist; big Army won't GAF what your background is or how many degrees you have. I had a buddy getting paid for two high priority languages that's been from one infantry battalion to another. He hasn't been in a position that took advantage of his language skills or his cultural knowledge, and he likely never will be in one.

Like I said, cool jobs are out there. But you likely will have to a) rock the ASVAB b) reenlist and c) get really lucky to get them. I don't regret my time with the Army at all, but I was lucky to be placed with people who saw past my rank. Only consider enlisting for intel if you want to do a career in intel (like, you'd be willing to reenlist and forget JAG), and even then make sure you're aware it might not be everything you expect. Also, your SF 86 is going to be a nightmare for a TS if you've lived in all the places you say you have. That shouldn't discourage you, but expect yours to be a long investigation.


They won't do the age waiver…My hope is JAG DA (fall 2014) or Reserves. Also, medical administrator…

Any news on Army JAG Reserves? It's been about 7 weeks (going on 8).

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Re: Military Law

Postby Fiction » Wed May 14, 2014 9:52 am

Question for the Active JAGs posting on this thread:

What are the regs on practicing law in civilian courts in your local jurisdiction? For instance, can you do pro bono small claims as a legal assistance attorney, can you draft wills and contracts for your family and friends? Can you moonlight?

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Wed May 14, 2014 10:23 am

DannyBoy31 wrote:Got the call at 8:20 a.m. Eastern time. This was my third board. Best of luck to everyone else!


Congrats D-boy!

Puttanesca wrote:
howell wrote:From the AF JAG Recruiting FB page:

Congratulations to all of our April 2014 selectees! The April 2014 Direct Appointment board met and selections have been made. All applicants will be notified by mail. The letters were mailed this week, please watch your mailbox. Please note: we can no longer accept address changes at this time. Please be sure to forward your mail if you have moved recently. We apologize up front but we cannot provide selection decisions over the phone.

Interesting that they won't be making phone calls. Good luck!


No they are making calls. I got one from my interviewing SJA.


Because only two people that were called by their SJA with the good news posted on TLS and OTS, I wonder if other applicants who were selected will be notified only by snail mail? Usually, there are quite a few AF Jag selects who post on either site, letting everyone know they received the call. It could be that fewer applicants were selected or that those selected are not on TLS or OTS. IDK. I guess we will find out.

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Re: Military Law

Postby fivesolas » Wed May 14, 2014 3:40 pm

Hi all. I just posted this over at OTS and figured I would share here too. I've been stalking both forums for a while, but this is my first time posting. Not to get anyone's hopes up, but apparently the calls are still going out. My SJA just called me today at noon CST to let me know I had been accepted. He mentioned that the email had gone to his spam folder so he initially did not see it. That may explain some delays with notifications.

Anyways, I've been in private practice for 3 years and this was my first board. I'm very excited.

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Re: Military Law

Postby JAG Dog » Wed May 14, 2014 6:39 pm

I know it has been said before, but I would encourage anyone who has been accepted to get copies of all of your medical records if you are planning to disclose any prior medical issues. I was accepted AF JAG on Nov. 20th and just went through the MEPS today. The back-and-forth process with the Accessions Office can take a long time, and that is realized every time they ask for more information (which they did several times in my case). I wish I had heeded that advice even though I didn't think I would need everything they eventually asked for based on my interpretation of instructions in the acceptance packet. It could have saved me several months and a lot of headaches. If you were just accepted, you might as well do it now, since you will be doing a lot of waiting for the next couple of weeks anyway.

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Re: Military Law

Postby DannyBoy31 » Wed May 14, 2014 7:00 pm

Thanks for the advice. I haven't received my packet yet so I'm sure I'll find out soon, but what types of issues would you have to disclose? For example, if you went to the doctor for general arm or knee pain while lifting weights but were never diagnosed with anything and the issue resolved itself, is this something they would ask about? I'm assuming in that case not disclosing would be fine, I'm just curious as to how broad or specific they are.

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Re: Military Law

Postby JAG Dog » Wed May 14, 2014 8:40 pm

Here is a link to the form they will use: https://dmna.ny.gov/arng/ocs/forms/DD2807-2_Medical_History_Report.pdf

The instructions for the reviewer at the top seem to give some indications that some items you disclose will not require you to submit records, but I was asked to submit for everything I disclosed. In your hypothetical case, I think you would have do disclose it under section 2a(8). What they will be looking for is something from a doctor saying that the condition is no longer an issue. The person working with you in Accessions will be able to give you some guidance. You could try putting questions like this to her hypothetically. If it's a gray area and it's the kind of thing she knows is already resolved and will just make more work for both of you, she might just say hypothetically that she would not bring it up.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Thu May 15, 2014 3:18 pm

Anyone receive their letter?




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