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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:09 pm

paulmiller13 wrote:Thanks for all the feedback. I was able to contact an AFB and schedule an interview. I am under the impression that there was a lot of back up and the office is very busy, hence the delay. There was no mention of being late in my conversation, so that was good. It would seem the 15th deadline is for the online application and not the interview itself, but maybe not the case depending on your interviewer and/or selected AFB. If I have to apply again, I will definitely avoid this issue and submit everything much earlier.


Hopefully you won't have to apply again. :D

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Re: Military Law

Postby legalbeagletls » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:04 pm

Does anyone know how competitive it is to become a

Paralegal Specialist (27D)

MOS 4421 -- Legal Services Specialist
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Re: Military Law

Postby 25thPercentileGuy » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:34 pm

superhopefulwoo wrote:
25thPercentileGuy wrote:
superhopefulwoo wrote:
25thPercentileGuy wrote:Anyone apply for the Navy Jag Summer Internship? I'm still waiting to hear back. Was told that there would be decisions out early March. Anyone hear anything yet?


I was offered a position and accepted the offer. Anyone know how long they usually take to confirm receipt of an acceptance?


Congrats on the spot! When did you hear? Sorry, don't know the answer to your question.



Thank you - I'm really excited! I heard back last week, and I also finally received confirmation so it's official!


Awesome! I just got accepted today so I guess I'll get confirmation next week as well.

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Re: Military Law

Postby superhopefulwoo » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:13 pm

25thPercentileGuy wrote:
superhopefulwoo wrote:
25thPercentileGuy wrote:
Congrats on the spot! When did you hear? Sorry, don't know the answer to your question.



Thank you - I'm really excited! I heard back last week, and I also finally received confirmation so it's official!


Awesome! I just got accepted today so I guess I'll get confirmation next week as well.


Congratulations! Any other acceptances on here for summer JAG internships?

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Re: Military Law

Postby rtb2008x » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:37 pm

For those who were accepted to JAG Summer internships, how early did you all apply?? I applied pretty early, and still haven't heard back.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ShockTop » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:58 pm

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Re: Military Law

Postby dianacoco » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:35 am

rtb2008x wrote:
lumberjack12 wrote:Any one else apply to the AF JA Summer Law Clerk position? Or know from past years when they post the results?


They told me not until Mid-April. Pretty absurd.


I was told the same. Yes, we should wait.

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Re: Military Law

Postby rtb2008x » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:13 pm

dianacoco wrote:
rtb2008x wrote:
lumberjack12 wrote:Any one else apply to the AF JA Summer Law Clerk position? Or know from past years when they post the results?


They told me not until Mid-April. Pretty absurd.


I was told the same. Yes, we should wait.





Just got a USAJobs update saying that the the online questionnaire I filled out satisfied the general requirements, and my information would be passed on for further review.

I guess that's some movement…

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Re: Military Law

Postby SailorJerry » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:47 pm

legalbeagletls wrote:Does anyone know how competitive it is to become a

Paralegal Specialist (27D)

MOS 4421 -- Legal Services Specialist

or

Navy Legalman ?

Would any of these jobs give an upper hand in future JAG recruiting?

Or it more important to have served in more of a combat focused role?

How is military experience evaluated for the purposes or JAG recruiting?



You have to cross rate into being a Navy Legalman. That means you will join the Navy under one rate and then swicth over after two years. This is difficult because some rates will not let people crossrate out. There is the JAGC IPP which allows enlisted Sailors a chance to go to law school and be commissioned as a Judge Advocate. This program is open to all rates but the competition is tough. There is probably only going to be one position this year. The board and interviewers are looking for leadership experience and knowledge of what being a Judge Advocate entails. I would advise that you go to law school and join the JAGC through the Student Program. PM me if you have more questions.

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Re: Military Law

Postby SailorJerry » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:48 pm

legalresearch wrote:Would reserve enlisted or active duty prior service lower my age for Commissioning purposes?

Is the Age Limit for Army/Navy JAG 35 or 42?

I read 35 on the message board, but on the Army Website it reads

"Applicants must be able to serve 20 years of active commissioned service before reaching the age of 62. Thus, for most applicants, the age requirement is be under the age of 42 at the time of entry onto active duty."

Navy Website:

"(b) be younger than 42 years of age at the time you begin active duty;"


42

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Re: Military Law

Postby lumberjack12 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:32 pm

rtb2008x wrote:
dianacoco wrote:
rtb2008x wrote:
lumberjack12 wrote:Any one else apply to the AF JA Summer Law Clerk position? Or know from past years when they post the results?


They told me not until Mid-April. Pretty absurd.


I was told the same. Yes, we should wait.





Just got a USAJobs update saying that the the online questionnaire I filled out satisfied the general requirements, and my information would be passed on for further review.

I guess that's some movement…


Same over here. I'll post if I hear anything further.

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Re: Military Law

Postby so ambivalent » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:39 am

this is only for people who have been thru the JAG acceptance process before or know people who have.
i got medically disqualified based on seeing pscyh services while in law school and taking medication to deal with anxiety/stress after first semester grades came out (it's not like i was gonna kill myself or anything, i was just super disappointed and couldn't talk to any classmates about it because you don't talk about grades). even though i stopped being as upset as law school wore, on i decided i didn't want to go off medication until i got a job, because the idea of graduating with debt and no job is pretty stressful and i felt like taking medication made that easier. when i got my JAG offer i started going off the medication (which usually takes a month to taper down and get out of the system). so i was totally honest on my medical form about medication being in my system and going off of it and my reasons for taking it. obviously i'm doing the waiver process but the whole thing has kind of turned me off JAG, especially after i had a convo with the recruiting person who seemed uneducated and unpleasant.
my questions for people are:
1) how hard is it to get a waiver? anyone had experience with it before?
2) even if i get through this process what is the rest of it like? like will they ask me even more medical info and how about the background check and stuff involving drugs or international travel? i am worried i will get flagged for the travel thing because my parents were posted overseas alot and so i would go with them and then just travel on my own to reconnect with my friends in those countries. which is absurd since the reason i had exposure to those places was because of my parents' service, but i've heard it can be an issue.
3) how long does all this shit take before i know if there will be some disqualification?
4) i hear it just gets worse and more invasive the further along in the process it goes. i really don't want to hate my job and not be able to get out for 4 years. better to just get out now? did anyone find some other job during this process and accept it and, if so, did you tell people you got JAG and decided not to take it or were medically disqualified?

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Re: Military Law

Postby UFlaw15 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:17 pm

My status on USAJOBS for the Air Force JAG internship turned to Referred!!

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Re: Military Law

Postby womeninblack » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:32 pm

UFlaw15 wrote:My status on USAJOBS for the Air Force JAG internship turned to Referred!!


This sounds more exciting than it actually is. The "referred" status only means that you have met the qualifications for applying for the internship. You won't know whether you were selected or rejected from USAJOBS; rather, you'll either get a call from JAX or a rejection letter in the mail.

At least that is what happened last year; things may have changed this year, but I doubt it.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Moves like JAGger » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:35 pm

so ambivalent wrote:this is only for people who have been thru the JAG acceptance process before or know people who have.
i got medically disqualified based on seeing pscyh services while in law school and taking medication to deal with anxiety/stress after first semester grades came out (it's not like i was gonna kill myself or anything, i was just super disappointed and couldn't talk to any classmates about it because you don't talk about grades). even though i stopped being as upset as law school wore, on i decided i didn't want to go off medication until i got a job, because the idea of graduating with debt and no job is pretty stressful and i felt like taking medication made that easier. when i got my JAG offer i started going off the medication (which usually takes a month to taper down and get out of the system). so i was totally honest on my medical form about medication being in my system and going off of it and my reasons for taking it. obviously i'm doing the waiver process but the whole thing has kind of turned me off JAG, especially after i had a convo with the recruiting person who seemed uneducated and unpleasant.
my questions for people are:
1) how hard is it to get a waiver? anyone had experience with it before?
2) even if i get through this process what is the rest of it like? like will they ask me even more medical info and how about the background check and stuff involving drugs or international travel? i am worried i will get flagged for the travel thing because my parents were posted overseas alot and so i would go with them and then just travel on my own to reconnect with my friends in those countries. which is absurd since the reason i had exposure to those places was because of my parents' service, but i've heard it can be an issue.
3) how long does all this shit take before i know if there will be some disqualification?
4) i hear it just gets worse and more invasive the further along in the process it goes. i really don't want to hate my job and not be able to get out for 4 years. better to just get out now? did anyone find some other job during this process and accept it and, if so, did you tell people you got JAG and decided not to take it or were medically disqualified?


I can't speak to waivers. But medical screening is a pain in the ass. For the most part, you're on the honor system. You are expected to disclose everything and the AF will determine if what you disclosed is disqualifying. JAGs are screened by the same initial standard as every other service member. When at MEPS, I was with mostly 17 year old kids who signed up to be Marines. What I do know about waivers is that they're highly individualized. Bottom line is that the military can afford to be picky because they're receiving record numbers of applications during a period of downsizing. It is what it is.

Once you get medically qualified, you will have to fill out an SF86 (security clearance application) and this will require you to list everywhere you've lived for the past 10 years, plus references who can verify that everything you said is true. Another major PITA. Takes about 4 hours. I went through training with some people who lived abroad. It should not be a huge issue. Some of them had to speak with an investigator individually about the information they provided in their SF86.

The process of getting in sucks. But once you're in, it's pretty great. The application process is by no means a reflection of the job or the type of people doing it. I've only been in for a few months, but everyone I've encountered in the JAG Corps so far is pretty awesome in his/her own way.

I'd press forward. If you got the offer, you have what it takes.

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Re: Military Law

Postby AFJAG2014 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:47 pm

Moves like JAGger wrote:
so ambivalent wrote:this is only for people who have been thru the JAG acceptance process before or know people who have.
i got medically disqualified based on seeing pscyh services while in law school and taking medication to deal with anxiety/stress after first semester grades came out (it's not like i was gonna kill myself or anything, i was just super disappointed and couldn't talk to any classmates about it because you don't talk about grades). even though i stopped being as upset as law school wore, on i decided i didn't want to go off medication until i got a job, because the idea of graduating with debt and no job is pretty stressful and i felt like taking medication made that easier. when i got my JAG offer i started going off the medication (which usually takes a month to taper down and get out of the system). so i was totally honest on my medical form about medication being in my system and going off of it and my reasons for taking it. obviously i'm doing the waiver process but the whole thing has kind of turned me off JAG, especially after i had a convo with the recruiting person who seemed uneducated and unpleasant.
my questions for people are:
1) how hard is it to get a waiver? anyone had experience with it before?
2) even if i get through this process what is the rest of it like? like will they ask me even more medical info and how about the background check and stuff involving drugs or international travel? i am worried i will get flagged for the travel thing because my parents were posted overseas alot and so i would go with them and then just travel on my own to reconnect with my friends in those countries. which is absurd since the reason i had exposure to those places was because of my parents' service, but i've heard it can be an issue.
3) how long does all this shit take before i know if there will be some disqualification?
4) i hear it just gets worse and more invasive the further along in the process it goes. i really don't want to hate my job and not be able to get out for 4 years. better to just get out now? did anyone find some other job during this process and accept it and, if so, did you tell people you got JAG and decided not to take it or were medically disqualified?


I can't speak to waivers. But medical screening is a pain in the ass. For the most part, you're on the honor system. You are expected to disclose everything and the AF will determine if what you disclosed is disqualifying. JAGs are screened by the same initial standard as every other service member. When at MEPS, I was with mostly 17 year old kids who signed up to be Marines. What I do know about waivers is that they're highly individualized. Bottom line is that the military can afford to be picky because they're receiving record numbers of applications during a period of downsizing. It is what it is.

Once you get medically qualified, you will have to fill out an SF86 and this will require you to list everywhere you've lived for the past 10 years plus references who can verify all the information you listed is correct. Another major PITA. I went through training with some people who lived abroad. It should not be a huge issue. Some of them had to speak with an investigator individually about the information they provided in their SF86.

The process of getting in sucks. But once you're on the other side, they could've made it 10x suckier and I'd do it again with a smile. The application process is by no means a reflection of the job or the type of people doing it. I've only been in for a few months, but everyone I've encountered in the JAG Corps so far is pretty awesome in his/her own way.

I'd press forward. If you got the offer, you have what it takes.


I would also add that medical waivers can be a pain, although a black box. They give waivers for major issues and won't for others and no one can predict what they'll do. I went and did my medical for DODMERB (I was initially applying for the Marines my 1L year), and they didn't require any waivers (although they usually require waivers for my condition). I did disclose everything and was surprised at how easy it was to get approved. Others I've talked to have had more difficult times with lesser issues. I recently shed tears over a fellow ROTC cadet who put 4 years into ROTC and just recently found out, a month before commissioning, that he could not get a waiver, even though they didn't inform him of this several years ago!!! Take that as you will, but with the downsizing of the military, it's getting harder to get waivers for a lot of AF applicants.

The SF86 is not too bad although it takes 4-5 hours to complete. I had an interview with an investigator and I disclosed my international travel, which is extensive. It's not bad as long as you're straightforward and honest with everything.

But the end goal, IMO, paying back a little bit, just a slight bit, of the benefits of being able to say I'm an American, is far worth it.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:03 pm

Bumping this thread for any AF JAG April DAP Board hopefuls like myself. Hopefully results will be out by the end of the month. Good luck everyone!

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Re: Military Law

Postby cc8922 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:07 pm

For those still waiting to hear back about the Air Force JAG Summer Internship: Any of you considering doing an Air Force Unpaid Externship in the event you do not get selected for the paid internship? I have been looking into this. I am under the impression we just contact the desired base directly? Anyone know if that is how it works and if bases generally take on willing externs?

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Re: Military Law

Postby oldspork » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:09 pm

Bump for the waiting Navy SP applicant crowd.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the vast majority of applicants in this thread are AF-focused? It seems like a truly great program, but I'm wondering why such a huge preference for AF over other services. Or maybe it's just me?

...any discussion to pass the time...

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Re: Military Law

Postby SailorJerry » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:27 am

oldspork wrote:Bump for the waiting Navy SP applicant crowd.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the vast majority of applicants in this thread are AF-focused? It seems like a truly great program, but I'm wondering why such a huge preference for AF over other services. Or maybe it's just me?

...any discussion to pass the time...


I am a Navy JAGC selectee. I have heard that Navy Judge Advocates have a greater ability to practice many different fields of law. I don't know why this thread is so full of AF. I would think their numbers would be comparable to Navy and less than Army. Good luck on the SP.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:42 am

SailorJerry wrote:
oldspork wrote:Bump for the waiting Navy SP applicant crowd.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the vast majority of applicants in this thread are AF-focused? It seems like a truly great program, but I'm wondering why such a huge preference for AF over other services. Or maybe it's just me?

...any discussion to pass the time...


I am a Navy JAGC selectee. I have heard that Navy Judge Advocates have a greater ability to practice many different fields of law. I don't know why this thread is so full of AF. I would think their numbers would be comparable to Navy and less than Army. Good luck on the SP.


Because the Air Force goes America all over everyone's ass!

The United States Air Force: Rock, Flag, and Eagle

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Seriously though, let's not ignite a service rivalry debate among a bunch of applicants that may not actually know what they are talking about.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Fed_Atty » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:57 am

Patrick Bateman wrote:
SailorJerry wrote:
oldspork wrote:Bump for the waiting Navy SP applicant crowd.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the vast majority of applicants in this thread are AF-focused? It seems like a truly great program, but I'm wondering why such a huge preference for AF over other services. Or maybe it's just me?

...any discussion to pass the time...


I am a Navy JAGC selectee. I have heard that Navy Judge Advocates have a greater ability to practice many different fields of law. I don't know why this thread is so full of AF. I would think their numbers would be comparable to Navy and less than Army. Good luck on the SP.


Because the Air Force goes America all over everyone's ass!

The United States Air Force: Rock, Flag, and Eagle

Image

Seriously though, let's not ignite a service rivalry debate among a bunch of applicants that may not actually know what they are talking about.


PB, as usual, is right. Once/if you get in, you will likely get a chance to interact with all the services and realize that although everyone does things a bit differently, we are all on the same team.

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Re: Military Law

Postby oldspork » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:40 am

I have no intention of igniting any sort of rivalry—as I said, I think the AF program looks great. It just seemed to me that, looking at the thread from a pure number of posts per service perspective, it was heavily AF focused.

Was simply curious as to why that was. Carry on, though, and good luck to everyone in the coming weeks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby ShockTop » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:19 pm

For what it's worth, for those waiting for the Navy announcements, last year they came on May 1 and 2, if my memory serves me correctly.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:28 pm

oldspork wrote:I have no intention of igniting any sort of rivalry—as I said, I think the AF program looks great. It just seemed to me that, looking at the thread from a pure number of posts per service perspective, it was heavily AF focused.

Was simply curious as to why that was. Carry on, though, and good luck to everyone in the coming weeks!


This is most likely because PB essentially started this thread back in 2008 and has continually posted here since, sharing his wealth of knowledge and experience. Just so happens that he is an AF JAG. Other JAGs from other branches have posted and shared, but none to the extent of PB.




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