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Fed_Atty
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Re: Military Law

Postby Fed_Atty » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:41 pm

erik_1717 wrote:Also, is this similar to the other branches where if you're selected you will be called and if not, you are contacted much later by a letter? I know the website has a "status" thing and I think I've seen others on here saying it reads "professionally recommended" or "not professionally recommended".


When I was selected, the first indication I had was that the status changed. Actually, the very first indication I had was that my status remained pending while others switched to not professionally recommended. A few hours later it changed to Professionally Recommended. I think I got an e-mail later that day or early the next day.

DannyBoy31
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Re: Military Law

Postby DannyBoy31 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:05 pm

I'm not sure how long ago this change occurred, but when I checked the Navy website today it stated that results are expected in early May. Also, for those who have already been professionally recommended, would you mind posting when you got selected (i.e. Fall or Spring of 2L or 3L year)? Thanks!

ZeroDay
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Re: Military Law

Postby ZeroDay » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:36 am

Anybody else going to the 191st JAOBC? I think I've asked before, but maybe I'll get a few replies now that we're only 10 weeks out...

boardercms
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Re: Military Law

Postby boardercms » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:08 pm

How much longer until the Navy board comes back?

truenole7
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Re: Military Law

Postby truenole7 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:59 pm

Does anyone know when the april 2013 AF-JAG selection board results are supposed to come out? I'm assuming early-mid may like the other services but I can't find anything definitive

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LetsGoLAW
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Re: Military Law

Postby LetsGoLAW » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:44 pm

7... more... Civ... Pro... cases.

Then four weeks of finishing OLs, E&Es, and PTs!

jagapplicant2012
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Re: Military Law

Postby jagapplicant2012 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:11 pm

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rawaldru
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Re: Military Law

Postby rawaldru » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:08 pm

AF FLEP selectee here...feel free to pm me with questions on this particular jag accession program.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Pdk7 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:42 pm

jagapplicant2012 wrote:There is a Facebook group for 194th JAOBC [Army]. If you're in that class and want to join PM me.


Which class is the 194th?

jagapplicant2012
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Re: Military Law

Postby jagapplicant2012 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:30 am

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Re: Military Law

Postby adonai » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:40 pm

ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.

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Re: Military Law

Postby mlittle5 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:04 pm

adonai wrote:
ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.


That's way better than Navy AD. If you don't pass the first time, you're commissioned as an O1 doing something not JAG-related and you're committed for the same amount of time.

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Re: Military Law

Postby brownshoe » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:26 pm

mlittle5 wrote:
adonai wrote:
ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.


That's way better than Navy AD. If you don't pass the first time, you're commissioned as an O1 doing something not JAG-related and you're committed for the same amount of time.


I'm almost positive that's not true. Pretty sure you just go home. What are they going to have you do if you haven't been to OCS?

mlittle5
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Re: Military Law

Postby mlittle5 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:43 pm

brownshoe wrote:
mlittle5 wrote:
adonai wrote:
ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.


That's way better than Navy AD. If you don't pass the first time, you're commissioned as an O1 doing something not JAG-related and you're committed for the same amount of time.


I'm almost positive that's not true. Pretty sure you just go home. What are they going to have you do if you haven't been to OCS?


I could be wrong, but I was told this by a Navy recruiter and it was confirmed by my school's career office. It sucks for sure. I'm going for Navy AD myself. Thank God Georgia's bar exam is so easy compared to NY or CA.

adonai
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Re: Military Law

Postby adonai » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:04 am

mlittle5 wrote:
adonai wrote:
ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.


That's way better than Navy AD. If you don't pass the first time, you're commissioned as an O1 doing something not JAG-related and you're committed for the same amount of time.

That sucks. If you pass the bar later, do you get bumped back up to JAG? If not, that's basically legal career suicide.

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Postby Myself » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:17 am

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Re: Military Law

Postby ZeroDay » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:44 am

ajax adonis wrote:
adonai wrote:
ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.

Can someone else second this?

Click here (LinkRemoved) for Army Regulation 27-1; then, search the document for "bar exam." The search will turn up several provisions, such as the following:

13–6. Admission to practice
a. Applicants must be admitted to practice before appointment in or assignment to the JAGC. Law students who
apply under paragraph 13–2a(7) may be selected contingent upon admission to practice.
b. An offer to an applicant for an appointment with duty in the JAGC may be withdrawn if the applicant is
unsuccessful in passing the bar examination, is denied admission to the bar on other grounds, or in the judgment of
TJAG has become unqualified or unsuitable to perform duties as a JA.
c. Applicants who have twice been unsuccessful in bar examinations (regardless whether one or more jurisdictions
are involved) will be ineligible for appointment in the JAGC unless specifically granted a waiver by TJAG.

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Re: Military Law

Postby ShockTop » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:16 am

mlittle5 wrote:
brownshoe wrote:
mlittle5 wrote:
ajax adonis wrote:What happens if you fail the bar for Army AD?

I think I read somewhere you get 2 tries then you get dropped.


That's way better than Navy AD. If you don't pass the first time, you're commissioned as an O1 doing something not JAG-related and you're committed for the same amount of time.


I could be wrong, but I was told this by a Navy recruiter and it was confirmed by my school's career office. It sucks for sure. I'm going for Navy AD myself. Thank God Georgia's bar exam is so easy compared to NY or CA.


You might want to recheck with that recruiter and your career office. Per my discussions with current JAGs, the Navy is the same as the Army. You get two tries and if you fail to pass, you're out of the Navy. Source: current Navy JAGs, a LTJG and LT.

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Re: Military Law

Postby maxpayne » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:31 am

truenole7 wrote:Does anyone know when the april 2013 AF-JAG selection board results are supposed to come out? I'm assuming early-mid may like the other services but I can't find anything definitive



Bump on this. I also applied for the AF April 2013 DAP. Waiting on pins and needles here.

andythefir
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Re: Military Law

Postby andythefir » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:25 pm

Can any recent successful applicants post their stats? I would very much appreciate school/grades/extra-curriculars/prior experience etc.

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Re: Military Law

Postby jagapplicant2012 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:33 pm

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Re: Military Law

Postby Rotor » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:39 pm

From OPNAVINST 1120.11 (2005), paragraph 8.c.

Officers in the JAG Corps Student Program who fail to complete the prescribed course of instruction at OIS or NJS will be administratively processed for separation under reference (m). Officers who fail to graduate from law school; fail to take the first bar examination available after graduation from law school; twice fail a bar examination in two consecutive attempts, or other testing requirements for admission to the bar; otherwise fail to become admitted to practice as required under paragraph 8a, or fail to attend OIS or NJS will be reappointed in another competitive category to complete any active duty obligation incurred as a result of appointment in the JAG Corps Student Program, or, if so determined by CHNAVPERS, will be separated under reference (m).


So, you do get two tries. If you have a service obligation, you will be required to complete it unless the Chief of Naval Personnel chooses to separate. The question then become whether you've incurred an obligation.

Edit to add: 1) http://doni.daps.dla.mil/Directives/010 ... 120.11.pdf
2) You'll *know* when you've incurred an obligation (usually getting money or increased rank) because you'll be required to sign something that says you're knowingly incurring the obligation.

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