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Re: Military Law

Postby Fed_Atty » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:19 pm

balzie94 wrote:Yes, it's great to have another bite at the Navy JAG apple. But for those who are first-time applicants, I wouldn't get your hopes up. In no wise do I mean to be Debby Downer, but I've heard from a current Navy judge advocate that the Navy takes only 30 out of 800 or so applicants each cycle. Perhaps someone can refute or corroborate this? Even if the numbers are slightly better, I think the wisest standard operating procedure is to apply to Navy JAG with the idea that you will not get picked up (i.e. keep applying to other jobs).



I believe the selection rate from the last board was right around 6% - We get a an e-mail from the Admirals after each board where they give us a brief run down of those who were selected and the stats of the board. One small glimmer is that some of those who submit packages do not even complete all the required fields. So while there may be 800 applicants, some are so incomplete that you are not really competing against those. But, it is still stiff competition.

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Re: Military Law

Postby andythefir » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:12 pm

Especially for 1st time applicants don't get your hopes up because the Navy never takes anyone on their 1st board. Ever. It's a numbers game, there are enough applicants that they can afford to only choose the people who are willing to risk their whole careers for a chance. All branches (except for the OYCP) will insist on turning down applicants multiple times before they accept them to prove that they want it bad enough, there are enough of us that they can do whatever they want.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Fed_Atty » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:22 pm

andythefir wrote:Especially for 1st time applicants don't get your hopes up because the Navy never takes anyone on their 1st board. Ever. It's a numbers game, there are enough applicants that they can afford to only choose the people who are willing to risk their whole careers for a chance. All branches (except for the OYCP) will insist on turning down applicants multiple times before they accept them to prove that they want it bad enough, there are enough of us that they can do whatever they want.


Incorrect. The Navy does take people on their first board. They took me on my first board and I know of others.

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Re: Military Law

Postby andythefir » Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:23 pm

NavyJAG1 wrote:
andythefir wrote:Especially for 1st time applicants don't get your hopes up because the Navy never takes anyone on their 1st board. Ever. It's a numbers game, there are enough applicants that they can afford to only choose the people who are willing to risk their whole careers for a chance. All branches (except for the OYCP) will insist on turning down applicants multiple times before they accept them to prove that they want it bad enough, there are enough of us that they can do whatever they want.


Incorrect. The Navy does take people on their first board. They took me on my first board and I know of others.


Congratulations, but when did you apply? Did you have former military service/some other game-changer? The Navy told me straight up that for people without those kinds of backgrounds applying in 2013 for the first time is very grim.

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Re: Military Law

Postby bouakedojo » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:19 pm

andythefir wrote:
NavyJAG1 wrote:
andythefir wrote:Especially for 1st time applicants don't get your hopes up because the Navy never takes anyone on their 1st board. Ever. It's a numbers game, there are enough applicants that they can afford to only choose the people who are willing to risk their whole careers for a chance. All branches (except for the OYCP) will insist on turning down applicants multiple times before they accept them to prove that they want it bad enough, there are enough of us that they can do whatever they want.


Incorrect. The Navy does take people on their first board. They took me on my first board and I know of others.


Congratulations, but when did you apply? Did you have former military service/some other game-changer? The Navy told me straight up that for people without those kinds of backgrounds applying in 2013 for the first time is very grim.


I believe he's a former Navy officer, IIRC.

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Re: Military Law

Postby adonai » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:18 pm

bouakedojo wrote:
andythefir wrote:
NavyJAG1 wrote:
andythefir wrote:Especially for 1st time applicants don't get your hopes up because the Navy never takes anyone on their 1st board. Ever. It's a numbers game, there are enough applicants that they can afford to only choose the people who are willing to risk their whole careers for a chance. All branches (except for the OYCP) will insist on turning down applicants multiple times before they accept them to prove that they want it bad enough, there are enough of us that they can do whatever they want.


Incorrect. The Navy does take people on their first board. They took me on my first board and I know of others.


Congratulations, but when did you apply? Did you have former military service/some other game-changer? The Navy told me straight up that for people without those kinds of backgrounds applying in 2013 for the first time is very grim.


I believe he's a former Navy officer, IIRC.

My interviewer did the Navy JAG internship and got in on first try. Perhaps former Navy/military experience is a huge bump. There's enough of those types to take so I am not expecting at all to be taken in this time. Not just saying that as a figure of speech but am actually deciding my next steps as if I already got rejected.

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Re: Military Law

Postby andythefir » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:24 pm

adonai wrote: Not just saying that as a figure of speech but am actually deciding my next steps as if I already got rejected.


In 2013 every JAG applicant at every level should always assume they will get rejected. The numbers are way too low to count on the JAG at any point.
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Re: Military Law

Postby NAOBERJU » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:46 am

Just to chime in...I was accepted by the Navy on my first board and I have no prior military experience or family connection. I would not throw away or discount the first board. Anything is possible.

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Re: Military Law

Postby adonai » Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:14 am

NAOBERJU wrote:Just to chime in...I was accepted by the Navy on my first board and I have no prior military experience or family connection. I would not throw away or discount the first board. Anything is possible.

Let me guess, top 10%? :P

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Re: Military Law

Postby Esquire » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:53 pm

andythefir wrote:Especially for 1st time applicants don't get your hopes up because the Navy never takes anyone on their 1st board. Ever. It's a numbers game, there are enough applicants that they can afford to only choose the people who are willing to risk their whole careers for a chance. All branches (except for the OYCP) will insist on turning down applicants multiple times before they accept them to prove that they want it bad enough, there are enough of us that they can do whatever they want.

Completely untrue on the Navy account and the "all branches" comment.

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Re: Military Law

Postby abogadesq » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:47 pm

Esquire wrote:For those who were selected for Army AD and are just finishing up law school, hurry up and get another job. February 2014 is the earliest you'll be starting, most likely.


I thought the Army only selects people after they take the bar exam?

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Re: Military Law

Postby DannyBoy31 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:52 pm

OYCP applicant here anxiously awaiting the board results. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll be released this week, although the recent trend suggests it will be the last week of February or the first week of March.

Can anyone who has been accepted to this program please give a brief summary of what to expect if accepted as far as when you meet with the AFROTC detachment, when one should expect to go to MEPS, take the AFOQT, and attend summer training? Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Pumpkin_Pie » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:05 pm

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Re: Military Law

Postby target » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:53 pm

DannyBoy31 wrote:OYCP applicant here anxiously awaiting the board results. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll be released this week, although the recent trend suggests it will be the last week of February or the first week of March.

Can anyone who has been accepted to this program please give a brief summary of what to expect if accepted as far as when you meet with the AFROTC detachment, when one should expect to go to MEPS, take the AFOQT, and attend summer training? Thanks!


I am applying for this board review, but here is what my ROTC interviewer told me. He said that I need to contact him/ROTC detachment as soon as I find out the result to get all the paperwork done. I will then go through a background check, a medical examination, etc. He also mentioned that the summer training will start around mid- to late-June and run until late-July.

Good luck!

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Re: Military Law

Postby NAOBERJU » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:59 pm

I have good grades but I was not in the top 10%. I am not even close to the top 10%. I also did not go to a tier one law school. While the Navy seemed to care about grades, they definitely were looking at other factors. My impression, and this is just my personal opinion, but I think the interview and the Navy JAG Corps internship were the two most significant parts of my application.

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Re: Military Law

Postby navyjagjds » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:40 pm

I was also selected for Navy JAG on my first attempt and I do not have any military or family connections. My grades were in the top half of the class at a first tier law school. I will second Naoberju in that the interview seemed to be a very important factor. I also had extensive leadership in undergrad and a couple of prestigious leadership awards.

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Re: Military Law

Postby andythefir » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:51 pm

navyjagjds wrote:I was also selected for Navy JAG on my first attempt and I do not have any military or family connections. My grades were in the top half of the class at a first tier law school. I will second Naoberju in that the interview seemed to be a very important factor. I also had extensive leadership in undergrad and a couple of prestigious leadership awards.


Looks like the recruiters were trying to let me down easy then.

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Re: Military Law

Postby erik_1717 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:19 pm

Any Army 2L summer interns hear back regarding the final selections?

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Re: Military Law

Postby navyjagjds » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:48 pm

andythefir wrote:
navyjagjds wrote:I was also selected for Navy JAG on my first attempt and I do not have any military or family connections. My grades were in the top half of the class at a first tier law school. I will second Naoberju in that the interview seemed to be a very important factor. I also had extensive leadership in undergrad and a couple of prestigious leadership awards.


Looks like the recruiters were trying to let me down easy then.


Well, I was also pretty convinced that one needed a military connection of some sort and that it would take a few boards to show them that I was serious about joining. Maybe the decision-makers mixed it up this year and the recruiters normally would be right about what they told you.

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Re: Military Law

Postby f_atc » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:56 pm

I applied for the AF GLP for the Feb 2013 board. Are there many people on here waiting on those results?

Wondering who else is checking this blog, the AF Facebook page, and their phones over and over again everyday.

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Re: Military Law

Postby bouakedojo » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:41 pm

andythefir wrote:
navyjagjds wrote:I was also selected for Navy JAG on my first attempt and I do not have any military or family connections. My grades were in the top half of the class at a first tier law school. I will second Naoberju in that the interview seemed to be a very important factor. I also had extensive leadership in undergrad and a couple of prestigious leadership awards.


Looks like the recruiters were trying to let me down easy then.


No, I think the general rule is that most don't get selected on the first board. The people posting here that have are the exceptions to the rule. I've talked to four different Navy JAGs who've said the same thing to me. One said they did a survey at their JAG training of how many people there got in the first time and almost everyone said it took multiple attempts.

All that said, keep your head up. :)

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Re: Military Law

Postby DannyBoy31 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:54 pm

f_atc wrote:I applied for the AF GLP for the Feb 2013 board. Are there many people on here waiting on those results?

Wondering who else is checking this blog, the AF Facebook page, and their phones over and over again everyday.



I'd say it's safe to say you're in good company. I applied to the OYCP, but I think the same board makes selections for both programs.

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Re: Military Law

Postby zashby » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:11 pm

DannyBoy31 wrote:
f_atc wrote:I applied for the AF GLP for the Feb 2013 board. Are there many people on here waiting on those results?

Wondering who else is checking this blog, the AF Facebook page, and their phones over and over again everyday.



I'd say it's safe to say you're in good company. I applied to the OYCP, but I think the same board makes selections for both programs.


I am also applying. Does anyone know if there is a quota for how many 1Ls, 2Ls, etc. they are looking for or if the AF just wants to fill x number of spots and doesn't care how its allocated?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Trout et al » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:09 pm

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Re: Military Law

Postby Pdk7 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:43 pm

Trout et al wrote:Does school prestige matter for JAG? If so, to what extent? What advice would you give someone who is deciding between lower Top-14 at sticker and regional tier-1 with close to full ride? Is JAG basically too selective to even take into consideration when making this decision.

Assume no military experience or connections.
I would say it doesn't matter for the most part. I don't know anything about the other branches but I know that its not really a priority for Army. They care more about the quality of the person. I used to be kind of paranoid about this as well, and I kind of didn't trust other people when they told me the same thing, but do your own research. I went to their website and looked at the list of individuals selected for Active Duty, Reserves, and 1L and 2L internships. You'll see that the list of schools includes almost as many T4 schools as it does T1 on all of them. I did this for each year of law school and as I was applying, and it never really changed. I'm graduating from a Tier 4 school and I got 2L summer internship and the AD position.




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