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Thomas.of.Hunter
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Re: Military Law

Postby Thomas.of.Hunter » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:58 am

billaboy12 wrote:Yes, I also got that email. It was followed by another email that should state your status as either referred or non-referred. Does anyone who interned previously know what level of achievement getting referred is? Does that give you a good chance of receiving an offer, or is it simply a screening formality?


I don't understand the second email. It says both referred and not referred.


Referral Type: Open to all qualified candidates

Referral Name: AFW-12-RLS-00063S0

Status: NR - Not Referred

Vet Pref:

Locations:

Washington DC Metro Area, DC

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Referral Type: Non-Traditional

Referral Name: AFW-12-RLS-00077S0

Status: R - Referred

Vet Pref: NV (Clm)

Locations:

Washington DC Metro Area, DC

billaboy12
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Re: Military Law

Postby billaboy12 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:29 am

I am not sure.. mine had referred for both:

Referral Type: Open to all qualified candidates

Referral Name: AFW-12-RLS-00063S0

Status: R - Referred

Vet Pref: NV (Clm)

Locations:

Washington DC Metro Area, DC

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Referral Type: Non-Traditional

Referral Name: AFW-12-RLS-00077S0

Status: R - Referred

Vet Pref: NV (Clm)

Locations:

Washington DC Metro Area, DC

The only thing I noticed is that the "Referral Name" is different for the two.

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Re: Military Law

Postby shock259 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:49 am

Weird. I got a notice of Notice of Results email too, but it does not say anything about status or referrals. It says an HR rep will examine my app and give me a referral or no referral.

Edit: Got the same referrals as two above. First one was Not Referred, second was Referred. Didn't know we all applied for two positions...?
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Re: Military Law

Postby bouakedojo » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:31 pm

Same here.

Referred twice in email.

1L internship applicant here. Kinda confused about the different job postings?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:11 pm

bouakedojo wrote:Thanks for the advice again from the posters above.

I have sent an email to the department that goes to two Captains there.

I will report back when I hear something.

Tangential question: I've heard from several JAGs that Navy is the most prestigious of the branches. Is that true? I don't remember reading that before ITT and thought it was interesting.

I personally believe I could be happy with any of the branches, but I would probably prefer the AF, and I always thought they were the most highly regarded.


I agree with 2LT and Brownshoe regarding the prestige question. From my Air Force seat, I have worked with some insanely smart and talented JAGs from all the branches. You are going to find fast burners and the occasional dirtbag in ACUs, ABUs, MARPATs, and NWUs alike. While there is plenty of good-natured service rivalry, any member in uniform claiming their JAG Corps has the market corneredin terms of talent/prestige/whatever is simply full of it. If you can, talk to JAGs that have worked joint assignments or been on joint deployments with the other services. If your concern is about civilian prestige, a career in uniform not the place to go.

2LT brings up an excellent point regarding differences in the services you should be paying attention to – namely what each of us brings to the fight. There are significant differences in the mission and culture of each branch and each JAG Corps reflects that. There are also practical differences in terms of practicing as a JAG that should be investigated as well – fields like labor and environmental law have been largely civilianized in the Navy, the differences b/t being assigned to an AF Base Legal Office compared to an Army Battalion/Brigade, deployment opportunities, etc.

I will respectfully dissent in regard to 2LT’s “DUI cases” though. I have been fortunate to work at two bases with a high military justice tempo and have tried/observed a number of interesting cases ranging from drug distribution rings to check fraud to assault with a deadly weapon. These are obviously not PFC Manning or MAJ Hasan level courts but attorneys at the 1-4 year mark are not going to be trying those anywhere. Sometimes the dorm/barracks sexual assaults or urinalysis cases can be tedious but they are all outstanding litigation training opportunities.

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Re: Military Law

Postby 2LT_CPG » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:13 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:I will respectfully dissent in regard to 2LT’s “DUI cases” though. I have been fortunate to work at two bases with a high military justice tempo and have tried/observed a number of interesting cases ranging from drug distribution rings to check fraud to assault with a deadly weapon. These are obviously not PFC Manning or MAJ Hasan level courts but attorneys at the 1-4 year mark are not going to be trying those anywhere. Sometimes the dorm/barracks sexual assaults or urinalysis cases can be tedious but they are all outstanding litigation training opportunities.

Ditto to everything else. I meant the above to be relayed as a kind of self-disparaging joke told to me by a JAG. I'm sure it's an interesting job and the cases can be diverse. The number of DUI incidents on posts across the country is definitely not funny, and it's led to the much snickered about Friday formation safety briefs. I think the gist of what that JAG was trying to impart was that it's not all like JAG the TV show, that a lot of it is tedious, normal, and sometimes dirty legal work.

Then again, for every thousand of those kinds of cases, you might strike gold and get a Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and get to argue in front of SCOTUS about a key constitutional issue.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:37 pm

For all of you regarding the AF Internship:

I dug through my emails back when I was picked up for the internship (this was six years ago and I've mentally blocked out most of my 2L, so please no specific questions that my old emails will not be able to answer) - the notifications you all received today are USAJOBs system generated. In other words, it just means USAJOBs forwarded your applications to JAX for review.

You can call JAX to confirm that they have your application but they are very likely in the initial review process. I have no idea how many of you applied but if it is anything like the increase in applications for active duty commissions, they will probably be digging through the intern apps for a while.

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Re: Military Law

Postby evanlazer » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:37 pm

Who wants to guess when the OYCP/GLP results come out? Last year it was around Feb 26 via phone.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:07 am

For anyone who's applied to the Navy Student Program, how long did it take to hear back about interview scheduling after you sent the email?

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Re: Military Law

Postby leedleed » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:07 am

evanlazer wrote:Who wants to guess when the OYCP/GLP results come out? Last year it was around Feb 26 via phone.


they said, on facebook, early march

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Re: Military Law

Postby joe_45 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:42 am

howell wrote:For anyone who's applied to the Navy Student Program, how long did it take to hear back about interview scheduling after you sent the email?


I heard the same week. I have my interview today.

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Re: Military Law

Postby kman999 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:48 am

joe_45 wrote:
howell wrote:For anyone who's applied to the Navy Student Program, how long did it take to hear back about interview scheduling after you sent the email?


I heard the same week. I have my interview today.


Depends on the location, took me about 10 days to hear back.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:08 pm

Thanks!

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Re: Military Law

Postby theskyisred » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:24 pm

"2LT brings up an excellent point regarding differences in the services you should be paying attention to – namely what each of us brings to the fight."

What "fight" is JAG participating in? As a combat arms officer who went outside the wire almost daily and paid visits to many of our distinguished combat outposts and FOBs, JAs were often seen sitting in air-conditioned rooms devising plans to acquire as much Green Beans coffee as practicable.

I know you are using the term "fight" figuratively, but on the chance that someone could mistake JAs for participating in any actual fighting, I thought I'd clarify that they do not. But on the other hand, as with all combat support and administrative roles in the military, they are part of the team and provide a crucial function to the military.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Thomas.of.Hunter » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:06 pm

theskyisred wrote:"2LT brings up an excellent point regarding differences in the services you should be paying attention to – namely what each of us brings to the fight."

What "fight" is JAG participating in? As a combat arms officer who went outside the wire almost daily and paid visits to many of our distinguished combat outposts and FOBs, JAs were often seen sitting in air-conditioned rooms devising plans to acquire as much Green Beans coffee as practicable.

I know you are using the term "fight" figuratively, but on the chance that someone could mistake JAs for participating in any actual fighting, I thought I'd clarify that they do not. But on the other hand, as with all combat support and administrative roles in the military, they are part of the team and provide a crucial function to the military.


Tldr

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:16 pm

theskyisred wrote:"2LT brings up an excellent point regarding differences in the services you should be paying attention to – namely what each of us brings to the fight."

What "fight" is JAG participating in? As a combat arms officer who went outside the wire almost daily and paid visits to many of our distinguished combat outposts and FOBs, JAs were often seen sitting in air-conditioned rooms devising plans to acquire as much Green Beans coffee as practicable.

I know you are using the term "fight" figuratively, but on the chance that someone could mistake JAs for participating in any actual fighting, I thought I'd clarify that they do not. But on the other hand, as with all combat support and administrative roles in the military, they are part of the team and provide a crucial function to the military.


I don't think anyone on this thread has been laboring under the misapprehension that JAGs are the ones kicking in doors over in the desert.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Esquire » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:30 pm

theskyisred wrote:I know you are using the term "fight" figuratively, but on the chance that someone could mistake JAs for participating in any actual fighting, I thought I'd clarify that they do not.

There's no mistake. You just wanted to get on your soapbox.

There are many JAGs who reclassed from 11B.

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Re: Military Law

Postby theskyisred » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:04 am

Yeah, because "reclassing" from 11B to JA is SOP.

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Re: Military Law

Postby akeller2891 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:36 am

I think I might go crazy waiting for the release of the AF OYCP results!!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Doc Review Lifer » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:35 pm

As far as the Personal / Motivational Statement goes....

Should we be approaching this at a why-I-want-to-serve or a why-do-you-want-me stance?

Heard different things from different people and from different types of boards. I know we should be honest, but I've written about 1000 reversions of this thing and keep tossing it the very next day.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Military Law

Postby 2LT_CPG » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:16 pm

theskyisred wrote:"2LT brings up an excellent point regarding differences in the services you should be paying attention to – namely what each of us brings to the fight."

What "fight" is JAG participating in? As a combat arms officer who went outside the wire almost daily and paid visits to many of our distinguished combat outposts and FOBs, JAs were often seen sitting in air-conditioned rooms devising plans to acquire as much Green Beans coffee as practicable.

I know you are using the term "fight" figuratively, but on the chance that someone could mistake JAs for participating in any actual fighting, I thought I'd clarify that they do not. But on the other hand, as with all combat support and administrative roles in the military, they are part of the team and provide a crucial function to the military.

I'm kind of sorry I started this.

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Re: Military Law

Postby TBJAG » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:59 pm

theskyisred wrote:Yeah, because "reclassing" from 11B to JA is SOP.


Not the point of his post.

Esquire wrote:There's no mistake. You just wanted to get on your soapbox.


Pretty sure that's what he's getting at.

In the event that someone is misguided enough to think that JAGs are super high-speed combat arms officers, I'll be sure to correct them.

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Re: Military Law

Postby lawschool00 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:30 pm

leedleed wrote:
evanlazer wrote:Who wants to guess when the OYCP/GLP results come out? Last year it was around Feb 26 via phone.


they said, on facebook, early march


Calls went out on Friday. Congrats to those selected.

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Re: Military Law

Postby shock259 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:45 pm

Certain that all of them went out? How did you hear? :cry:

Do we get rejections via mail or via email?

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Re: Military Law

Postby lawschool00 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:52 pm

A friend got the call late Friday afternoon. I believe rejection letters come in the mail. It could just be that your SJA was out of the office already...? I wouldn't lose hope just yet.




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