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Re: Military Law

Postby shock259 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:37 pm

Thanks Howell. Helpful posts.

I've finished reading the whole thread! It took a long, long time, but it's been an extremely helpful resource. As a fresh 1L, I'm going to be applying to the AF's GLP for the February board. The only real lingering questions I have are regarding letters of rec and the AFROTC interview.

1. Letters of rec. The GLP app says you can submit up to 5, but they are all optional. Being that I will have a pretty limited pool of potential professors to draw from in my first semester, is 5 really expected? I've been out of UG for a year so I don't think I can ask my old professors.

Here's my strategy: blitzkrieg the hell out of office hours for all of my professors, establish repertoire, ask as many as I can towards the end of the semester for a letter. I can hopefully get 3 or so from this. I worked for one year as a paralegal prior to law school - would the associates I worked closely with be suitable for writing letters of rec? One is late 30's and the other is mid 40's, if that makes a difference. I think this would be my only way to get to 5.

Further, is it realistic to guess that 3 of my 5 first semester professors will like me enough to write me letters over winter break if I am always in their office hours and engaging them?

2. What is the AFROTC interview like? Is it an interview at all or just a quick conversation?

Sorry to double post! I should have just waited to post questions until I read the thread.

thanks!!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:05 pm

shock259 wrote:Thanks Howell. Helpful posts.

I've finished reading the whole thread! It took a long, long time, but it's been an extremely helpful resource. As a fresh 1L, I'm going to be applying to the AF's GLP for the February board. The only real lingering questions I have are regarding letters of rec and the AFROTC interview.

1. Letters of rec. The GLP app says you can submit up to 5, but they are all optional. Being that I will have a pretty limited pool of potential professors to draw from in my first semester, is 5 really expected? I've been out of UG for a year so I don't think I can ask my old professors.

Here's my strategy: blitzkrieg the hell out of office hours for all of my professors, establish repertoire, ask as many as I can towards the end of the semester for a letter. I can hopefully get 3 or so from this. I worked for one year as a paralegal prior to law school - would the associates I worked closely with be suitable for writing letters of rec? One is late 30's and the other is mid 40's, if that makes a difference. I think this would be my only way to get to 5.

Further, is it realistic to guess that 3 of my 5 first semester professors will like me enough to write me letters over winter break if I am always in their office hours and engaging them?

2. What is the AFROTC interview like? Is it an interview at all or just a quick conversation?

Sorry to double post! I should have just waited to post questions until I read the thread.

thanks!!


Repertoire or rapport with your professors? :twisted:

I would recommend 5 if you can swing it; anecdotally, it looks good on you to max out the letters, even if not five of the five are A+ level. Approach the letters in the holistic sense that the accession boards will – getting 5 letters from profs that speak to the same aspect of your character (academics) will not help the boards understand you better. Throw in some of the former attorneys you have worked for and anyone else that might have seen you demonstrate “officer” qualities (leadership, initiative, etc), and you will be in good shape. For my five letters in my DAP application packet, I only had 2 law professors. If you know any military officers, active or retired, I highly recommend trying to get a letter from them.

The SJA interview for GLP/OYCP is going to be substantially similar to that of DAP. Obviously the programs are different terms of ROTC commitments (field training, etc) and so some of the interview will look at that. That said, the SJA is still trying to answer the same “does this person have the potential to be a successful officer” question. If you find forums or threads dealing with the DAP SJA interview, you’ll have enough advance read for the GLP interview. Keep in mind that the interview process can vary significantly from SJA to SJA. I have heard of interviews at slower bases taking 3-4 hours. Others are 30 minutes. If you are not on the AirForceOTS board yet, I highly recommend checking that out. The JAG forum has a number of solid posters.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Americana » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:41 am

Now the JARO website has been down for several days.

I'm still hoping to make it in and am excited to serve, but I have to admit the enthusiasm with which I viewed the JAG Reserve program back in February... March... April... June... etc. is beginning to lose a bit of its luster after seeing what a nebulous mess the process is.

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Re: Military Law

Postby jess8328 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:41 am

Americana wrote:Now the JARO website has been down for several days.

I'm still hoping to make it in and am excited to serve, but I have to admit the enthusiasm with which I viewed the JAG Reserve program back in February... March... April... June... etc. is beginning to lose a bit of its luster after seeing what a nebulous mess the process is.


It's definitely been a long wait. I was hoping to finish my fall active duty application this week and start the September reserve application, but the application site is down too.

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Re: Military Law

Postby tcmturner » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:48 pm

How useful is a JAG internship in getting full-time JAG after graduation? JAG is what I want more than anything, but I have no idea what I can do to improve my resume.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:19 pm

tcmturner wrote:How useful is a JAG internship in getting full-time JAG after graduation? JAG is what I want more than anything, but I have no idea what I can do to improve my resume.


From the AF perspective:

For your typical civilian Direct Appointment Program (DAP) applicant, it is a huge asset to an application package. It gives you a 10 week immersion in what day-to-day operations are like at a Wing and what you can reasonably expect out of your first two assignments. More importantly, it gives you 10 weeks to demonstrate to the office personnel that you have those "it" qualities expected of an officer and Judge Advocate. You will get opportunity to get to know the SJA that will be writing your recommendation letter and prove your mettle through your work product. With how cutthroat selection stats are right now, not even a great internship can guarantee your selection, but it will put you in a better position.

If you are still a 0L/1L you should also be looking into the OYCP/GLP ROTC programs.

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Re: Military Law

Postby heyguys » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:34 am

2L here--anyone else having serious difficulty with either the Army or Navy online applications? Neither will load for me--they both time out.


Also, I can't figure out for the life of me how to apply to Marine JAG for their 2L summer.

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Re: Military Law

Postby spleenworship » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:49 am

heyguys wrote:2L here--anyone else having serious difficulty with either the Army or Navy online applications? Neither will load for me--they both time out.


Also, I can't figure out for the life of me how to apply to Marine JAG for their 2L summer.


I do not believe the Marines do a summer internship.

ETA: unless you mean doing whatever infantry related training they do... in which case you simply apply to the Marines and if they take you they will be happy to tell you what to do during your summer.

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Re: Military Law

Postby heyguys » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:24 pm

spleenworship wrote:
heyguys wrote:2L here--anyone else having serious difficulty with either the Army or Navy online applications? Neither will load for me--they both time out.


Also, I can't figure out for the life of me how to apply to Marine JAG for their 2L summer.


I do not believe the Marines do a summer internship.

ETA: unless you mean doing whatever infantry related training they do... in which case you simply apply to the Marines and if they take you they will be happy to tell you what to do during your summer.



Yes, I meant regarding OCS, which I understand they do during the 2L summer.

I'm primarily interested in the Navy, but Marines would be my second choice followed by Army. That said, I am having absolutely no luck with the log in function on the Navy's application website. I've already registered two emails, tried the password logins with them, been rejected (for some reason), then unsuccessfully tried to recover the password. I never received any email verification of the account or anything of the sort.

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Re: Military Law

Postby heyguys » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:34 pm

If I could tack on one more question about the Navy JAG:

How is the internship different from the application in general?

Here's what I have in mind:

http://www.jag.navy.mil/careers_/career ... nship.html

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Is it just that the latter is the one that involves the full commitment to the JAG corps?

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Re: Military Law

Postby spleenworship » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:51 pm

Yes, one is joining the Navy, the other is doing an internship with the Navy.

These websites aren't that complicated.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Minnesota3L » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:54 pm

Does anyone know how long Army JAGCNET is supposed to be down for?

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Re: Military Law

Postby jess8328 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:22 am

Minnesota3L wrote:Does anyone know how long Army JAGCNET is supposed to be down for?


Nope :(

I'm dying to hear about Army Reserve board results.

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Re: Military Law

Postby JP_Spungo » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:35 pm

Minnesota3L wrote:Does anyone know how long Army JAGCNET is supposed to be down for?


Along the same lines, does anyone here know whether Army JAGCNET's being down is supposed to be a planned occurrence? (i.e. for maintenance, etc.) Was there any announcement or did the site simply go dark?

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Re: Military Law

Postby jess8328 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:13 pm

JP_Spungo wrote:
Minnesota3L wrote:Does anyone know how long Army JAGCNET is supposed to be down for?


Along the same lines, does anyone here know whether Army JAGCNET's being down is supposed to be a planned occurrence? (i.e. for maintenance, etc.) Was there any announcement or did the site simply go dark?


Doesn't seem to be planned. The JARO facebook page is probably the best source of info right now.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Minnesota3L » Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:05 pm

It was supposed to go down in late July for maintenance...not sure if it was back up in between now and then, but it seems like it's been down for a while.

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Re: Military Law

Postby jess8328 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:07 pm

JARO's facebook page says that the April 2011 Reserve board results have been posted and that the JARO website should be back up "within the next day or two." Good luck fellow Reserve applicants! Hopefully we get good news once the site goes back up.

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Re: Military Law

Postby howell » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:34 pm

Just curious if any of the AF summer interns have heard from the Air Force Law Review. PMs are welcome if that would be better.

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Re: Military Law

Postby CFC_Essien » Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:04 pm

Does it hurt ones chances of getting into a branch (e.g. Air Force) if you intern with another branch (e.g. Coast Guard)?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Esquire » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:19 pm

Here's an update: I was contacted by the Army about getting medical clearance. They asked for info and now I'm waiting for them to set up an appointment. Anyone have any experience with how it goes?

CFC_Essien wrote:Does it hurt ones chances of getting into a branch (e.g. Air Force) if you intern with another branch (e.g. Coast Guard)?

Nope. It helps. I know a guy who did Army 1L summer, USAF 2L, and then got selected for Navy in December of his 2L year.

The USAF and Navy didn't know about each other but they definitely wanted one of the coveted Army 25 1Ls.

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Re: Military Law

Postby tcmturner » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:11 pm

When you click through the AF JAG website to find the Summer Internship info it directs you to USA Jobs.gov. But I'm not seeing any info there about applications for summer internships. Am I missing it?

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Re: Military Law

Postby NavyJag » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:38 am

Navy Jag here, in less than a year so not a lot of perspective, but I figured I'd add my voice to anyone looking for Navy specific questions (or JAG questions in general).

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Re: Military Law

Postby Americana » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:22 am

jess8328 wrote:JARO's facebook page says that the April 2011 Reserve board results have been posted and that the JARO website should be back up "within the next day or two." Good luck fellow Reserve applicants! Hopefully we get good news once the site goes back up.


Jess, this info had been killing me. Why would they even tell us the results were in if they know we can't see them?

In other news, I received a call from my LSO last night telling me I was in. I will keep my fingers crossed for you!

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Re: Military Law

Postby jess8328 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:49 pm

Americana wrote:
jess8328 wrote:JARO's facebook page says that the April 2011 Reserve board results have been posted and that the JARO website should be back up "within the next day or two." Good luck fellow Reserve applicants! Hopefully we get good news once the site goes back up.


Jess, this info had been killing me. Why would they even tell us the results were in if they know we can't see them?

In other news, I received a call from my LSO last night telling me I was in. I will keep my fingers crossed for you!


Congrats!! I got a call yesterday afternoon from JARO letting me know that I was in too. :D I've decided to accept it and not continue with my active duty applications for Army and Air Force. I'm beyond excited to become an Army JAG reservist!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:49 pm

tcmturner wrote:When you click through the AF JAG website to find the Summer Internship info it directs you to USA Jobs.gov. But I'm not seeing any info there about applications for summer internships. Am I missing it?


If memory serves, this issue has come up the past few years. When I talked to JAX about it last time, the listing simply had not bee posted on USAJOBS yet. There is a specific time window for the listing.

I would just call JAX to confirm when the listing will be active on USAJOBS.




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