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Re: Military Law

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:40 pm
by SocalPizza
E\/ERLAST wrote:I think he simply feels deserving of a professional interview.


One of the best things about the AF JAG application process is that you can start from scratch each board. And to make things even better, the accessions board meets every other month. His first post was all about how he's soured on AF JAG forever, basically because of one (admittedly horrendous) interview.

Look Pellaro, I'm sorry you didn't get a fair shake last time. I know I'd be frustrated if that was me. I wrote what I wrote because I think if you really want to be a JAG you need to get back up and schedule an interview with a different SJA, not blame the entire Air Force.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:44 pm
by Rocktober2007
pellaro22 wrote:
E\/ERLAST wrote:

I think he simply feels deserving of a professional interview.


Yep. Hit the nail on the head there Everlast.



I agree. I didn't read any sense of entitlement from your post. It sounds like you got interviewed by Michael Scott.

I wonder if there's a way to let the AF know about the situation or if it's even worth it.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:02 am
by pellaro22
SocalPizza wrote:
E\/ERLAST wrote:I think he simply feels deserving of a professional interview.


One of the best things about the AF JAG application process is that you can start from scratch each board. And to make things even better, the accessions board meets every other month. His first post was all about how he's soured on AF JAG forever, basically because of one (admittedly horrendous) interview.

Look Pellaro, I'm sorry you didn't get a fair shake last time. I know I'd be frustrated if that was me. I wrote what I wrote because I think if you really want to be a JAG you need to get back up and schedule an interview with a different SJA, not blame the entire Air Force.


No hard feelings there, Socal. Admittedly, I am soured because of that one interview. Like I said in subsequent posts, I don't think that my interview in any way reflects the Air Force as a whole. I might re-apply, I might not. I had very strong interviews with Army and Navy (and can apply to them again as well) so I might just go with it. I'm not sure how re-applying and re-doing the interview would work, because the letter that I received said that if I wanted my application to be reconsidered, I can request so in writing and they would automatically submit it. I'll have to inquire as to whether I can re-interview. If I can, I might...but from what the SJA said, he is the head SJA for my entire region...so I dunno how re-interviewing and having them ask "have you interviewed before? how did that go?" would go over. But, again, no hard feelings and thanks for the heads up. It's something I will look into.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:06 am
by pellaro22
jess8328 wrote:
pellaro22 wrote:
E\/ERLAST wrote:

I think he simply feels deserving of a professional interview.


Yep. Hit the nail on the head there Everlast.



I agree. I didn't read any sense of entitlement from your post. It sounds like you got interviewed by Michael Scott.

I wonder if there's a way to let the AF know about the situation or if it's even worth it.


My Career Services Office contacted an Alum who is an AF JAG (with all of the details minus my Sniff Test) and he said either pull the application or wait to get rejected and appeal.

I think Michael Scott is a great analogy, but a better one would be Ricky Gervais from the original Office. I think Michael would be more fun to be in a room with and make fun of straight to his face, and an interview with Ricky is more "I am astonished that he said that and my friends will be too when I tell them this incredible story," which is what happened here.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:27 pm
by Minnesota3L
That's a wild story...really sorry you had to go through that. Definitely "The Office"-worthy. For what it's worth, the SJA who I interviewed with was a model of professionalism, and the office was a pretty tightly-run ship.

Rejection letter for October came in the mail on Friday, I'm going to re-submit for December and just get ready to play the waiting game again.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:42 pm
by eodops
pellaro22 wrote:-Was told that the number of times I smoked pot probably wasn't accurate and consistently pressed to give a higher number. I think we finally settled on 50. After discussing with my friends, they agreed that he had me in a trance-like state because that number just isn't possible.


That is a truly terrible interview. As a former Airman, I can also vouch that this SJA is the very rare exception to a an otherwise professional service.

As far as reapplying goes, I think you have a larger issue with your previous drug usage. I am not an authority on the subject, but any number that can even be twisted near 50 is probably disqualifying. And, as a lawyer (or even a law student), the "he had me in a trance-like state" excuse will probably not go over well. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with reapplying or whatever direction you decide to go!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:51 pm
by Groundie
I'm really sorry you had such a terrible interview pellaro, but it made me laugh for about 15 minutes straight, so I'm not that sorry. I apologize, considering this is a serious matter of professionalism, but it sounds like you're doing OK otherwise.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:12 pm
by Rocky Estoppel
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Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:54 am
by SocalPizza
Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:57 am
by hasmith
SocalPizza wrote:Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!


I am still listed as "pending"

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:01 pm
by SocalPizza
hasmith wrote:
SocalPizza wrote:Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!


I am still listed as "pending"


Good luck then. A buddy of mine also just got the "Not Professionally Recommended." So maybe not being posted yet is a good thing.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:03 pm
by hasmith
Let's hope!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:36 pm
by Patrick Bateman
eodops wrote:
pellaro22 wrote:-Was told that the number of times I smoked pot probably wasn't accurate and consistently pressed to give a higher number. I think we finally settled on 50. After discussing with my friends, they agreed that he had me in a trance-like state because that number just isn't possible.


That is a truly terrible interview. As a former Airman, I can also vouch that this SJA is the very rare exception to a an otherwise professional service.

As far as reapplying goes, I think you have a larger issue with your previous drug usage. I am not an authority on the subject, but any number that can even be twisted near 50 is probably disqualifying. And, as a lawyer (or even a law student), the "he had me in a trance-like state" excuse will probably not go over well. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with reapplying or whatever direction you decide to go!


I have to agree regarding the marijuana use. You do not have a realistic chance of being picked up with admitted drug use at that level. And if 50 is not the correct number and you agreed to it anyway, you in the courtroom may not be in the best interests of the Air Force.

"That is all. Thank you, AF JAG, for rejecting me. I am definitely NOT qualified with my moot court, clinic, trial advocacy and pro bono experience. I am definitely NOT qualified with my grades, fitness (crossfit everyday for the past 2 years), one-year paid clerkship for the Attorney General, language fluency, background in international relations and diplomacy, 5 year work history for state government and intention on putting in a solid 20 years. Lastly, I am definitely NOT qualified because if you guys hired this dude...then this is something I do not want to be a part of."

Regardless of what you think about your post, you absolutely reek of entitlement.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:58 pm
by Rocktober2007
SocalPizza wrote:Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!



Same here. Guess I'll just re-apply for the next board.

I know they say that the interview is good for a whole year, but I'd like to re-interview since I think that was the weakest part of my application. Anyone know if that's possible?

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:02 pm
by hasmith
jess8328 wrote:
SocalPizza wrote:Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!



Same here. Guess I'll just re-apply for the next board.

I know they say that the interview is good for a whole year, but I'd like to re-interview since I think that was the weakest part of my application. Anyone know if that's possible?


From the website FAQ:

I applied before and was not selected, do I need another interview?

Applicants are only permitted one interview within three (3) years.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:04 pm
by Rocktober2007
hasmith wrote:
jess8328 wrote:
SocalPizza wrote:Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!



Same here. Guess I'll just re-apply for the next board.

I know they say that the interview is good for a whole year, but I'd like to re-interview since I think that was the weakest part of my application. Anyone know if that's possible?


From the website FAQ:

I applied before and was not selected, do I need another interview?

Applicants are only permitted one interview within three (3) years.


Thanks. I wonder if I should change anything in my application then or just re-submit as is.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:55 pm
by hasmith
Thanks. I wonder if I should change anything in my application then or just re-submit as is.


I would at least give it a once over and look for even minor tweaks. Particularly the personal statement.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:16 pm
by hasmith
Status just changed. Professionally Recommended!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:18 pm
by Rocktober2007
hasmith wrote:Status just changed. Professionally Recommended!



Congrats!!!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:31 pm
by hasmith
Thank you. I must have refreshed the page over 100x!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:10 pm
by SocalPizza
hasmith wrote:Thank you. I must have refreshed the page over 100x!


Congrats. Post your stats so we can all be angry\jealous\indignant at how much more qualified we are.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:13 pm
by Rocky Estoppel
SocalPizza wrote:Navy JAG Student Program - My results posted this morning. Not professionally recommended. Good luck to everyone else!


Me too. :cry:

I will definitely reapply and examine everything that was submitted. I'm really sad about this today. It was my first time applying so I sort of expected a rejection but it still stings. I thought I had a pretty good interview so I'm not sure where I can improve. I'll try to get another letter of recommendation (Only had 4 LORs) and tweak my personal statement to make it better. I want this more than I've wanted anything else in my life. I know how competitive it is to get in so I can't expect to get in, but I'm going to keep applying and keep hoping.

Also, I still have the Army and Air Force internship results to look forward to and I'll apply to the Navy internship when it's available in December.

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:06 pm
by hasmith
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Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:40 pm
by Groundie
Not PR.

Congrats hasmith!

Re: Military Law

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:03 pm
by hasmith
SocalPizza wrote:
hasmith wrote:Thank you. I must have refreshed the page over 100x!


Congrats. Post your stats so we can all be angry\jealous\indignant at how much more qualified we are.


Happy to discuss my stats via PM.