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3milesup
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Re: Military Law

Postby 3milesup » Fri May 14, 2010 10:05 am

I have just scheduled my FSO interview with the CO of the local Army JAG Reserve LSO in my City. Has anyone interviewed with a Reserve JAG Officer? Are there things that I need to be cognizant of compared with my Active Duty FSO interview back in Feb.?

Thanks for any advice!

PS: Eagle: Love the Army JAG Zippo!

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Re: Military Law

Postby upnorthguy » Fri May 14, 2010 7:43 pm

I'm working on the ARNG path so it isn't the exactly the Reserves, but last winter I interviewed with the SJA of the unit I am trying to join. He was an 0-5. There were two deputy SJAs there (both O-4s) and an E-7.
I thought it was pretty laid back. We talked about my resume. Work and school experience. Why the Army? How do you feel about deployment? What do you know about the training? (both initial training and down the road). I did some research on the O-5 (he likes to run). Found some race results online. Found his FB profile (although it was locked down unless you were a friend). This helped my cause (and made for some good conversation).

From what I have heard in conversations with USAR JAGs I've talked to (a handful), it sounds like each LSO is a bit different in what they do. Find out how yours does things.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Eagle » Fri May 14, 2010 9:25 pm

3milesup wrote: PS: Eagle: Love the Army JAG Zippo!


Thanks. Zippo makes lighters with branch insignia, but I couldn't find an Army JAG one.

I bought a black crackle zippo on amazon for $11 and then won an ebay bid on some old insignia for $4. The hardest part was removing the pin from the insignia with a pair of pliers before I applied the glue. I really like the way it turned out.

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Re: Military Law

Postby 3milesup » Sat May 15, 2010 2:32 pm

Anyone have any problems applying to the Army JAG Reserve 14 May Board via the online application??

I had been working on my and was ready to submit it (around 3pm yesterday) when it suddenly disappeared. I then tried calling the JAG Accessions Office (of course, no one answered). So, I re-drafted and re-uploaded everything for the application, printed it, and submitted it. However, no verification that my application was submitted appeared on the "activity" area on the application portal.

I know there must be a server screw up somewhere, but, c'mon. I hope someone at Army JAGC can help me out Monday morning.

UPDATE: Spoke with JAG Recruiting this AM; Application was received. Whew!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Undead_Ed » Tue May 18, 2010 11:31 pm

Eagle wrote:Does anyone know if submitting my intent to accept a commission late will affect my chances of getting a preferred post? Is it first come first served or do they assign posts all at once?


Eagle,

I really doubt that submitting the letter of intent later than others will affect anything. I sent mine in the day I got it and still don't know anything definitive about start dates or duty assignments. However, they did tell me that I would get my JAOBC class assignment in June, and that the October class was already full.

BTW, good choice on picking Army. Don't want to get strung along by the Navy then not get it (Not to mention the fact that Army kicks @$$). Are you studying for the Bar right now?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Paichka » Wed May 19, 2010 11:31 am

Learn this phrase: "Needs of the Army". :) If you accept that the Army owns you now, and they can literally send you to the ass end of nowhere, it'll be a pleasant surprise when they don't. (kind of kidding, kind of not :p)

What posts are you interested in, Eagle? I really liked Bragg and Stewart. I'm hoping that Fort Lewis (out in Washington) is available when I'm going through basic course. I think it's time to get off the East Coast.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Eagle » Wed May 19, 2010 6:27 pm

Undead_Ed wrote:
Eagle,

I really doubt that submitting the letter of intent later than others will affect anything. I sent mine in the day I got it and still don't know anything definitive about start dates or duty assignments. However, they did tell me that I would get my JAOBC class assignment in June, and that the October class was already full.

BTW, good choice on picking Army. Don't want to get strung along by the Navy then not get it (Not to mention the fact that Army kicks @$$). Are you studying for the Bar right now?


Thanks for the info and congrats to you as well for picking the Army! I agree---Army does "kick @$$."

I start studying for the bar tomorrow. My plan is to hit the gym early in the morning and then study for the bar at the local library. I'm doing an online version of Kaplan...I know it's kind of risky, but I consider myself an independent learner so I couldn't justify spending the extra money for the full-blown lecture course. I'm hoping that I'll be fine if I stick to my plan and avoid the internet as much as possible.

Are you studying for the bar right now?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Eagle » Wed May 19, 2010 6:51 pm

Paichka wrote: What posts are you interested in, Eagle? I really liked Bragg and Stewart. I'm hoping that Fort Lewis (out in Washington) is available when I'm going through basic course. I think it's time to get off the East Coast.


I want to try a lot of cases and also go some place where the deployment odds are higher. I hear the two go hand in hand. Fort Lewis would be nice, but I also wouldn't mind Ft. Hood, Ft. Bragg, Ft, Campbell, or even Germany. I talked to a former Army JAG who was stationed at a former SS barracks in Germany, Schweinfurt. He had a really good time in Germany, was able to travel throughout Europe, and ended up deploying for a year.

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Re: Military Law

Postby chickemun » Wed May 19, 2010 8:45 pm

I just finished my 2L year. I'm prior service, although it was in the reserves (ILARNG). I'm interested in Army and Air Force JAG. I would be comfortable with the Army because of my familiarity, but the Air Force is interesting also. I'll be 35 in December, though, and wouldn't sit for the bar until July. Does this completely preclude a career with the Air Force?

Also, how does nine years of prior service in the reserves equate to active duty? Does it have to be service as an officer or is there another computation for Enlisted/NCOs? The answers in these posts was a little fuzzy from my perspective (

Besides the nine years in the reserves, I have a year as an AmeriCorps VISTA and four months of Wildland Firefighting in Montana under my belt as well as other volunteer experiences. How much does public interest/ public service experience weigh in general? It is not a quantitative question, but a qualitative one.

I find these posts rather inspiring, but I worked at a legal and tax publishing company (3 years changed to a cube, technically hell after my past experiences) and after that ---everything is inspiring.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Paichka » Thu May 20, 2010 9:06 am

Eagle wrote:
Paichka wrote: What posts are you interested in, Eagle? I really liked Bragg and Stewart. I'm hoping that Fort Lewis (out in Washington) is available when I'm going through basic course. I think it's time to get off the East Coast.


I want to try a lot of cases and also go some place where the deployment odds are higher. I hear the two go hand in hand. Fort Lewis would be nice, but I also wouldn't mind Ft. Hood, Ft. Bragg, Ft, Campbell, or even Germany. I talked to a former Army JAG who was stationed at a former SS barracks in Germany, Schweinfurt. He had a really good time in Germany, was able to travel throughout Europe, and ended up deploying for a year.


Definitely do a big post, then. The units that tend to deploy the most are the 82nd Airborne (Fort Bragg), 10th Mountain (Fort Drum), 3rd Infantry Division (Fort Stewart), 4th Infantry Division (Fort Hood), 1st Cav (Carson now, IIRC) and 101st (Fort Campbell). I really like Bragg -- go there, and you have a better-than-average shot at getting to go to Airborne school. Jumping out of airplanes FTW! If I didn't have a kid, I'd totally do a tour OCONUS -- I've heard great things about Korea. I'm also partial to 3ID -- I spent 4.5 years on the Marne Express, and deployed a total of 27 months.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Drew82abndiv » Thu May 20, 2010 9:35 am

I would recommend Ft. Bragg (obviously, look at my Avatar). I was in the 82nd for over four years and loved it. I was infantry and loved the 82nd's culture. You will def. deploy (I did twice). Any questions about Bragg or "Division" let me know.

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Re: Military Law

Postby theskippa10 » Thu May 20, 2010 8:12 pm

I want to try a lot of cases and also go some place where the deployment odds are higher. I hear the two go hand in hand. Fort Lewis would be nice, but I also wouldn't mind Ft. Hood, Ft. Bragg, Ft, Campbell, or even Germany. I talked to a former Army JAG who was stationed at a former SS barracks in Germany, Schweinfurt. He had a really good time in Germany, was able to travel throughout Europe, and ended up deploying for a year.



As an aside, my dad was stationed in Schweinfurt like 20 years ago (infantry, not JAG) and he said that the main town outside of the base, Bamberg I believe, is like the Catholic center of Germany. He said that it felt like everything was shut down almost every day for some random feast of a saint, and they have a ton of cathedrals

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Re: Military Law

Postby Undead_Ed » Fri May 21, 2010 1:45 am

Eagle wrote:I start studying for the bar tomorrow. My plan is to hit the gym early in the morning and then study for the bar at the local library. I'm doing an online version of Kaplan...I know it's kind of risky, but I consider myself an independent learner so I couldn't justify spending the extra money for the full-blown lecture course. I'm hoping that I'll be fine if I stick to my plan and avoid the internet as much as possible.

Are you studying for the bar right now?


I'm doing Kaplan Complete Online myself. From what I hear, BarBri is good for the essays but it is only passable on the MBE. Now that Kaplan does an Essay program too (in certain states), I decided to go with that. You can do as many essays as you can stand, and they will grade all of them. However, I have found it to be pretty taxing and time consuming, and it seems to only be getting worse. Bar prep SUCKS.

As far as duty stations, I like the West because that's where my family is. I think I should be able to lock in FT Bliss because I hear nobody wants it. I'm liking the idea of FT Bragg also. Both are big bases with a lot going on, facts which should translate into lots of possibilities for experience (crimes?).

Hey Paichka, are you a FLEP?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Paichka » Fri May 21, 2010 5:42 am

Yup.

As far as Bliss...whoo...better you than me, buddy. :-p It depends on if they have some duty positions open when you come through -- a couple of classes ago, ALL they had available was Fort Sill and Fort Drum. In general, though, the less popular a base, the easier it is to get.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Eagle » Fri May 21, 2010 9:46 am

Undead_Ed wrote:I'm doing Kaplan Complete Online myself. From what I hear, BarBri is good for the essays but it is only passable on the MBE. Now that Kaplan does an Essay program too (in certain states), I decided to go with that. You can do as many essays as you can stand, and they will grade all of them. However, I have found it to be pretty taxing and time consuming, and it seems to only be getting worse. Bar prep SUCKS.


That's what sold me on Kaplan as well. I just started yesterday and am finding the "Foundation" lectures pretty useless. The MBE practice book seems pretty helpful, though. Good luck to you!

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Re: Military Law

Postby IrishBruin » Sun May 23, 2010 7:53 pm

Hey everyone,

I was professionally recommended as an alternate during the last Navy JAG boards (my first time applying). Does anyone know anything about when, or if, people might start getting pulled off the alternate list?

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Drew82abndiv » Sun May 23, 2010 9:18 pm

Congrats Irish,

Not sure when they will start drawing from the alt. pool but it will depend on when people accept/decline their offer and whether anyone fails to get medically cleared. I hope you get pulled though and to see you in NJS!

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Re: Military Law

Postby Eagle » Mon May 24, 2010 12:37 am

Congrats as well, Irish. This is the response I got when I emailed Navy JAG recruiting regarding if and when I would hear about being pulled off the alternate list:

"It's really hard for me to say; we regularly reach out to those who were selected as alternates to come onto active duty, but it varies from year to year as to the number and time as to when this happens."

This is someone's response from a similar question on Navy JAG's facebook page (discussion section):

"I know someone who was selected as an alternate and got in. From what I understand. His advice to me, should I ever find myself on the list, was to get all my paperwork done as quickly as possible. When they need someone from the alternate pool, they don't wait for the person at the top of the list to get their paperwork done. They apparently go through the list until they hit someone who is good to go, and that person gets the slot. So, get everything squared away with the recruiter ASAP. Your regional recruiter should be getting in touch with you soon."

Good luck!

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Re: Military Law

Postby IrishBruin » Mon May 24, 2010 12:58 am

Big thanks to both of you. I still haven't heard from a recruiter re: paperwork or anything yet. Is this strange? I want to get in touch with the accessions people but don't want to come off as pushy.

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Re: Military Law

Postby colemf » Mon May 24, 2010 8:57 pm

I've read much of this thread and would first like to Patrick for all of your advice, I have learned much from this thread, my question: Do you think the conservative/liberal nature of some schools plays into the board's decesions? I'll be a 1L at Notre Dame, considered to be one of the most conservative law schools, and while i'm more of a moderate, I was wondering if is this could play to my advantage?

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Mon May 24, 2010 11:12 pm

colemf wrote:I've read much of this thread and would first like to Patrick for all of your advice, I have learned much from this thread, my question: Do you think the conservative/liberal nature of some schools plays into the board's decesions? I'll be a 1L at Notre Dame, considered to be one of the most conservative law schools, and while i'm more of a moderate, I was wondering if is this could play to my advantage?


I really really doubt the board's read into possible political affiliation. I know current JAGs that served as staffers for candidates/politicians on both sides of the aisle. There are JAGs from the People's Republic of Berkeley and to Regent.

My office alone has one Boalt and one NYU, both pretty liberal law schools in my opinion.

Political leanings never come up in the work place (see Article 88, UCMJ) and realistically, there are so many applicants for each board that I really think most applicants are racked and stacked based on the major factors: GPA, work experience, SJA Recommendation, etc.

ND is a solid law school with a great rep - get as much litigation experience/training as possible and max out the GPA. The rest will take care of itself.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Paichka » Tue May 25, 2010 8:33 am

And when you interview? It really helps to know what the JAGC does. Besides courts martial. Two of the officers in my office have served as FSOs, and they were telling me how ridiculous it is to have candidates come into the interview without a clue about what JAGs actually do on a day to day basis.

One was telling me horror stories about her interviewees, including:

(1) The guy who apparently thought she was a recruiter, and expected her to sell HIM on the JAGC. Like any interview, you are attempting to convince the nice FSO that you deserve to be selected for one of these highly competitive slots. If you want to be wined and dined, JAGC is not for you.

(2) The guy who told her he wasn't looking to work too hard, and really thought a nice 9-to-5 government job sounded like an easy paycheck. When she asked him how he felt about 15 months without a day off, his reply? "Duuuuuude, no!" Never "dude" your interviewer. That really should be self-evident, I think.

(3) She told me that she always asked the interviewees what they saw themselves doing downrange. This question was to see if they'd done their homework about what JAGs do -- if they said something like "labor and employment", she crossed them off her list. (Labor & Employment is a big part of JAG practice when we're stateside -- not so much downrange because you're working with fewer civilians) She said the biggest ding was when interviewees couldn't name anything other than military justice -- if they could actually talk intelligently about the other areas of JAG practice, such as operational law or contracting or environmental law, she would be far more likely to recommend them to the board.

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Re: Military Law

Postby FeuerFrei » Tue May 25, 2010 8:46 am

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Re: Military Law

Postby TBJAG » Tue May 25, 2010 9:07 am

colemf wrote:I've read much of this thread and would first like to Patrick for all of your advice, I have learned much from this thread, my question: Do you think the conservative/liberal nature of some schools plays into the board's decesions? I'll be a 1L at Notre Dame, considered to be one of the most conservative law schools, and while i'm more of a moderate, I was wondering if is this could play to my advantage?


I wouldn't worry about it. Even if an SJA wanted to recommend only those of his/her political bent, he/she couldn't tell that from where you went to law school. Selection will have more to do with how you perform at whatever school you go to; if you are a high performer at one of the "hard" law schools, so much the better.

For a list of schools AF JAGs come from, go to the link below and scroll down to the last question. In case you were wondering, ND is on the list. I think you will be fine.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Paichka » Tue May 25, 2010 9:07 am

It means "deployed". Iraq or Afghanistan, at the moment.




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