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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Wed May 16, 2018 2:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote: Original anon here. Thanks for the insight. I'd love some overseas base, but at the end of the day I'm committed to the AF and would gladly go wherever needed. But who doesn't have a preference? A man can dream. :lol:


Good luck - as noted by Wayne Gretzky and Michael Scott, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Something beyond the scope of your original question but an issue I like to flag every now and then for the new folks. This is a Patrick Bateman soapbox sort of issue. Depending on what your goals are for the JAG Corps, geography generally should not be the basis by which you rank your assignments. If you are looking to do 4-8 years and then lateral into a civilian gig, you should be thinking about assignments that build you a subject matter expertise that will make you marketable. Same goes for those thinking about a longer term career - the goal should be positions that make you promotable like ACSC and DSJA/SJA.

This is been talked to death over the years: if you want to be an AUSA or Main Justice attorney, your goals should be ADC and then STC/SDC/Appellate -- where those positions are located is far less important than the experience you get. Same goes for civil law practice areas like medical law or information litigation - find the path that gets you that practice within AFLOA.

Sometimes stars align and you get the right job at a great location. Other times you have to decide what is more important. My very first dream sheet, before I got on AD, was all awesome locations, with no mind to if those bases would give me the military justice experience I truly wanted. Patrick AFB is a pretty great location but not exactly a lot of courts happening any given year. I thankfully got a vector check from a retired GO JAG that got me thinking the right way.

So just something for all you new folks to consider. Weigh all the variables carefully. Geography can be a siren song at times - be careful not to end up on the rocks at the expense of your longer term career.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 16, 2018 4:08 pm

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Anonymous User wrote: Original anon here. Thanks for the insight. I'd love some overseas base, but at the end of the day I'm committed to the AF and would gladly go wherever needed. But who doesn't have a preference? A man can dream. :lol:


Good luck - as noted by Wayne Gretzky and Michael Scott, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Something beyond the scope of your original question but an issue I like to flag every now and then for the new folks. This is a Patrick Bateman soapbox sort of issue. Depending on what your goals are for the JAG Corps, geography generally should not be the basis by which you rank your assignments. If you are looking to do 4-8 years and then lateral into a civilian gig, you should be thinking about assignments that build you a subject matter expertise that will make you marketable. Same goes for those thinking about a longer term career - the goal should be positions that make you promotable like ACSC and DSJA/SJA.

This is been talked to death over the years: if you want to be an AUSA or Main Justice attorney, your goals should be ADC and then STC/SDC/Appellate -- where those positions are located is far less important than the experience you get. Same goes for civil law practice areas like medical law or information litigation - find the path that gets you that practice within AFLOA.

Sometimes stars align and you get the right job at a great location. Other times you have to decide what is more important. My very first dream sheet, before I got on AD, was all awesome locations, with no mind to if those bases would give me the military justice experience I truly wanted. Patrick AFB is a pretty great location but not exactly a lot of courts happening any given year. I thankfully got a vector check from a retired GO JAG that got me thinking the right way.

So just something for all you new folks to consider. Weigh all the variables carefully. Geography can be a siren song at times - be careful not to end up on the rocks at the expense of your longer term career.


What about those of us who want to be long-term Jags and continue to rank up? Should we building up our expertise in litigation or all fields? Thanks.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 16, 2018 5:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Nuts.

Dear Applicant,

The Air Force Judge Advocate General's Corps Accessions Screening Board carefully considered your application for the Direct Appointment Program.  Unfortunately, you were not selected this round.


Sorry to hear. You should apply for the next board, though.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Wed May 16, 2018 9:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote: What about those of us who want to be long-term Jags and continue to rank up? Should we building up our expertise in litigation or all fields? Thanks.


This is also a good question. I honestly started this post with the whole Maj Pat Bateman theory on promotion when I realized I am a relatively junior reserve Maj that does not actually know the right answer. Most of what I post on are either educated guesses based on experience or hard lessons learned from experience.

So let me start again.

If you are just beginning your career, don't worry about this just yet. As I have said before, saw the wood that is in front of you. I did a pretty detailed post a while back on the first 4+ years - read that along with my other ones on career progression. Your first two assignments are likely at base legal. Following that you will likely get a specialty job within AFLOA, a staff position at a NAF, or the handful of captain level DSJA slots (Goodfellow, Kunsan, etc). So that basically takes you to putting on Major, assuming you followed the basic commandment of "don't suck." That really just boils down to not getting into the obvious forms of trouble (DUI, frat, being cute/real dumb with claimed travel/moving expenses, etc) and getting decent OPRs*.

*Your OPRs, from the first one on, matter. Learn from your leadership how bullets are written and how and why certain bullets matter. Be proactive in making a good OPR, from things that make good bullets to being proactive in the drafting process. Decent OPRs that help you survive the pulse check that are the majors boards may not help you make the cut for O-5.

From my limited perspective, for those looking to set themselves up for O-5 need to be a DSJA as a Maj. In the recent years, most of those passed over camped out in various AFLOA or other staff positions for way too long and failed to get a base level leadership job. If promotion is important to you, be a Deputy. As other AFJAG posters have commented on, we do not advance specialists - we advance generalists and leaders. So, to advance, you will have to be a generalist and a leader. That means helping lead, at first, wing legal offices. And also, continue not to suck. In Residence ACSC or other IDE also tends to help with the right assignments and tend promote very well.

I am not going to weigh in beyond O-5 selection, as it is just a combination of RUMINT and my half-baked speculation.

Just one perspective. Take it with a grain of salt. Good luck.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu May 17, 2018 11:26 am

I would also check out the discussion here re: career progression thoughts. Howell has some great insight and you can see that I have appropriated his "don't suck" mantra as a succinct way to summarize keeping one's house in order as a CGO.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31543&p=10304450#p10304394

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 17, 2018 4:43 pm

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Anonymous User wrote: What about those of us who want to be long-term Jags and continue to rank up? Should we building up our expertise in litigation or all fields? Thanks.


This is also a good question. I honestly started this post with the whole Maj Pat Bateman theory on promotion when I realized I am a relatively junior reserve Maj that does not actually know the right answer. Most of what I post on are either educated guesses based on experience or hard lessons learned from experience.

So let me start again.

If you are just beginning your career, don't worry about this just yet. As I have said before, saw the wood that is in front of you. I did a pretty detailed post a while back on the first 4+ years - read that along with my other ones on career progression. Your first two assignments are likely at base legal. Following that you will likely get a specialty job within AFLOA, a staff position at a NAF, or the handful of captain level DSJA slots (Goodfellow, Kunsan, etc). So that basically takes you to putting on Major, assuming you followed the basic commandment of "don't suck." That really just boils down to not getting into the obvious forms of trouble (DUI, frat, being cute/real dumb with claimed travel/moving expenses, etc) and getting decent OPRs*.

*Your OPRs, from the first one on, matter. Learn from your leadership how bullets are written and how and why certain bullets matter. Be proactive in making a good OPR, from things that make good bullets to being proactive in the drafting process. Decent OPRs that help you survive the pulse check that are the majors boards may not help you make the cut for O-5.

From my limited perspective, for those looking to set themselves up for O-5 need to be a DSJA as a Maj. In the recent years, most of those passed over camped out in various AFLOA or other staff positions for way too long and failed to get a base level leadership job. If promotion is important to you, be a Deputy. As other AFJAG posters have commented on, we do not advance specialists - we advance generalists and leaders. So, to advance, you will have to be a generalist and a leader. That means helping lead, at first, wing legal offices. And also, continue not to suck. In Residence ACSC or other IDE also tends to help with the right assignments and tend promote very well.

I am not going to weigh in beyond O-5 selection, as it is just a combination of RUMINT and my half-baked speculation.

Just one perspective. Take it with a grain of salt. Good luck.


Thanks! This is very good information to know.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Backload » Fri May 18, 2018 8:40 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: What about those of us who want to be long-term Jags and continue to rank up? Should we building up our expertise in litigation or all fields? Thanks.


This is also a good question. I honestly started this post with the whole Maj Pat Bateman theory on promotion when I realized I am a relatively junior reserve Maj that does not actually know the right answer. Most of what I post on are either educated guesses based on experience or hard lessons learned from experience.

So let me start again.

If you are just beginning your career, don't worry about this just yet. As I have said before, saw the wood that is in front of you. I did a pretty detailed post a while back on the first 4+ years - read that along with my other ones on career progression. Your first two assignments are likely at base legal. Following that you will likely get a specialty job within AFLOA, a staff position at a NAF, or the handful of captain level DSJA slots (Goodfellow, Kunsan, etc). So that basically takes you to putting on Major, assuming you followed the basic commandment of "don't suck." That really just boils down to not getting into the obvious forms of trouble (DUI, frat, being cute/real dumb with claimed travel/moving expenses, etc) and getting decent OPRs*.

*Your OPRs, from the first one on, matter. Learn from your leadership how bullets are written and how and why certain bullets matter. Be proactive in making a good OPR, from things that make good bullets to being proactive in the drafting process. Decent OPRs that help you survive the pulse check that are the majors boards may not help you make the cut for O-5.

From my limited perspective, for those looking to set themselves up for O-5 need to be a DSJA as a Maj. In the recent years, most of those passed over camped out in various AFLOA or other staff positions for way too long and failed to get a base level leadership job. If promotion is important to you, be a Deputy. As other AFJAG posters have commented on, we do not advance specialists - we advance generalists and leaders. So, to advance, you will have to be a generalist and a leader. That means helping lead, at first, wing legal offices. And also, continue not to suck. In Residence ACSC or other IDE also tends to help with the right assignments and tend promote very well.

I am not going to weigh in beyond O-5 selection, as it is just a combination of RUMINT and my half-baked speculation.

Just one perspective. Take it with a grain of salt. Good luck.



Thanks! This is very good information to know.


This is all great info; more than I can provide. One thing to keep in mind is when you are meeting boards, it is not other jags looking at your career. It is a variety of careers across the Air Force. So they want to see a well-rounded officer with demonstrated leadership abilities. That is why deputy positions or even exec positions I think are key.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue May 22, 2018 9:28 am

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone selected by army in dec heard anything at all from JARO?????

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Tue May 22, 2018 5:51 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone selected by army in dec heard anything at all from JARO?????


I just got in on the guard side. I leave for training in December.

For Army guys on here: any recommendations on books for new officers?

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Re: Military Law

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone selected by army in dec heard anything at all from JARO?????

Any active duty selects hear anything lately

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Re: Military Law

Postby aka123 » Tue May 22, 2018 11:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone selected by army in dec heard anything at all from JARO?????


I just got in on the guard side. I leave for training in December.

For Army guys on here: any recommendations on books for new officers?

Army Officer's Guide is a good start.
https://www.amazon.com/Army-Officers-Guide-Robert-Dalessandro/dp/0811714543/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
Your FSO should be able to help answer questions too.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 23, 2018 10:29 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone selected by army in dec heard anything at all from JARO?????


I just got in on the guard side. I leave for training in December.

For Army guys on here: any recommendations on books for new officers?


My law school recommended: https://www.amazon.com/JAG-School-Survi ... 1505699495

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 23, 2018 10:37 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone selected by army in dec heard anything at all from JARO?????

Any active duty selects hear anything lately


My understanding is that they are working on determining who will be in what class sessions and coordinate based on bar passage, medical clearance, deferments etc. Supposedly we'll have a better idea of whether we are in the Oct 2018, Jan 2018 or May 2019 classes by July.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Wed May 23, 2018 10:39 am

Anonymous User wrote: My law school recommended: https://www.amazon.com/JAG-School-Survi ... 1505699495


I can't decide between being amused, impressed, or disappointed in marketing a "survival guide" to newbie JAGs based on the vast experience of having attended the course. I guess we are the suckers for posting on this board instead of shilling a 60 page book for $8.95.

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Re: Military Law

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Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: My law school recommended: https://www.amazon.com/JAG-School-Survi ... 1505699495


I can't decide between being amused, impressed, or disappointed in marketing a "survival guide" to newbie JAGs based on the vast experience of having attended the course. I guess we are the suckers for posting on this board instead of shilling a 60 page book for $8.95.


To be clear, it was something that my law school recommended for new Jags. I didn't want to offend anyone.

Do you think the book is bad or doesn't provide additional proper guidance?
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Re: Military Law

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Re: Military Law

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Anonymous User wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: My law school recommended: https://www.amazon.com/JAG-School-Survi ... 1505699495


I can't decide between being amused, impressed, or disappointed in marketing a "survival guide" to newbie JAGs based on the vast experience of having attended the course. I guess we are the suckers for posting on this board instead of shilling a 60 page book for $8.95.


To be clear, it was something that my law school recommended for new Jags. I didn't want to offend anyone.

Do you think the book is bad or doesn't provide additional proper guidance?


My post was not directed at you, Anon, in any way. Absolutely no harm in sharing the link and it is not a bad thing for your law school to be doing either -- admittedly, there is not much good information out there on the respective JAGCs (hence this thread existing for over 10 years).

I'm an AF guy, so I couldn't weigh in on the substance of the book even if I wanted to. Maybe it is excellent. Just strikes me as making a buck off of the insecurities of up and coming Joes, which is shitty. That said, books like this are legion for other schools in the military like OCS, Ranger, and the like - so why not the Army basic course.

I'd be curious if anyone has ever heard TJAGLCS or OTJAG types having any strong opinions on it. I remember folks in my JASOC class a lifetime ago getting lit up for their COT/JASOC oriented blogs.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 23, 2018 12:22 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: My law school recommended: https://www.amazon.com/JAG-School-Survi ... 1505699495


I can't decide between being amused, impressed, or disappointed in marketing a "survival guide" to newbie JAGs based on the vast experience of having attended the course. I guess we are the suckers for posting on this board instead of shilling a 60 page book for $8.95.


To be clear, it was something that my law school recommended for new Jags. I didn't want to offend anyone.

Do you think the book is bad or doesn't provide additional proper guidance?


My post was not directed at you, Anon, in any way. Absolutely no harm in sharing the link and it is not a bad thing for your law school to be doing either -- admittedly, there is not much good information out there on the respective JAGCs (hence this thread existing for over 10 years).

I'm an AF guy, so I couldn't weigh in on the substance of the book even if I wanted to. Maybe it is excellent. Just strikes me as making a buck off of the insecurities of up and coming Joes, which is shitty. That said, books like this are legion for other schools in the military like OCS, Ranger, and the like - so why not the Army basic course.

I'd be curious if anyone has ever heard TJAGLCS or OTJAG types having any strong opinions on it. I remember folks in my JASOC class a lifetime ago getting lit up for their COT/JASOC oriented blogs.


No worries. The book is for Army Jag so I don't know how useful it'll be for other Jag programs. I personally do find the information posted on this board to be extremely beneficial and I appreciate all the advice the current Jags have offered to us newbies.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 23, 2018 12:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: My law school recommended: https://www.amazon.com/JAG-School-Survi ... 1505699495


I can't decide between being amused, impressed, or disappointed in marketing a "survival guide" to newbie JAGs based on the vast experience of having attended the course. I guess we are the suckers for posting on this board instead of shilling a 60 page book for $8.95.


To be clear, it was something that my law school recommended for new Jags. I didn't want to offend anyone.

Do you think the book is bad or doesn't provide additional proper guidance?


My post was not directed at you, Anon, in any way. Absolutely no harm in sharing the link and it is not a bad thing for your law school to be doing either -- admittedly, there is not much good information out there on the respective JAGCs (hence this thread existing for over 10 years).

I'm an AF guy, so I couldn't weigh in on the substance of the book even if I wanted to. Maybe it is excellent. Just strikes me as making a buck off of the insecurities of up and coming Joes, which is shitty. That said, books like this are legion for other schools in the military like OCS, Ranger, and the like - so why not the Army basic course.

I'd be curious if anyone has ever heard TJAGLCS or OTJAG types having any strong opinions on it. I remember folks in my JASOC class a lifetime ago getting lit up for their COT/JASOC oriented blogs.


No worries. The book is for Army Jag so I don't know how useful it'll be for other Jag programs. I personally do find the information posted on this board to be extremely beneficial and I appreciate all the advice the current Jags have offered to us newbies.



I looked at the author’s LinkedIn page...he’s not even in the Army anymore (now Air Force) and has like 4 years total JAG experience (2 being national guard). Doesn’t exactly seem like an expert to me.

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Re: Military Law

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By the way (and not that this matters), but does anyone know the stats of selection this year for each of the Jag corps branches. I was told that it has been very competitive. Just curious.

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Re: Military Law

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Anonymous User wrote:By the way (and not that this matters), but does anyone know the stats of selection this year for each of the Jag corps branches. I was told that it has been very competitive. Just curious.


AF was apparently highly selectived, but I don’t have details. I was a non-select with 9 years AD officer (including significant leadership time in combat), top 15% (albeit at a TTT school), EIC of highly ranked secondary journal, current state court clerkship, with pretty good LORs, including a high recommendation from the Army's Chief Judge who I personally worked with and knew me well. Also received “top marks” from the SJA I interviewed with who told me he felt it was a “sure thing.” Oh yea, also a USAFA grad. :roll:

The SJA contacted me after results came out and calling up higher because he was very surprised. I “just barely missed the cut” and the one area I was weak was in litigation and advocacy experience.

Not gonna lie, was pretty disappointed, and a little pissed. I can somewhat understand their concern, mainly because I am currently an O-4. My consolation was that the same day I received the non-select email I was notified of a third callback for a federal honors attorney program and now have an in-person interview coming up. Fingers crossed.

My advice for DAP applicants, make sure your resume shows litigation or “advocacy” experience. If I had worded some things differently, I likely would have been selected.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu May 24, 2018 1:49 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:By the way (and not that this matters), but does anyone know the stats of selection this year for each of the Jag corps branches. I was told that it has been very competitive. Just curious.


AF was apparently highly selectived, but I don’t have details. I was a non-select with 9 years AD officer (including significant leadership time in combat), top 15% (albeit at a TTT school), EIC of highly ranked secondary journal, current state court clerkship, with pretty good LORs, including a high recommendation from the Army's Chief Judge who I personally worked with and knew me well. Also received “top marks” from the SJA I interviewed with who told me he felt it was a “sure thing.” Oh yea, also a USAFA grad. :roll:

The SJA contacted me after results came out and calling up higher because he was very surprised. I “just barely missed the cut” and the one area I was weak was in litigation and advocacy experience.

Not gonna lie, was pretty disappointed, and a little pissed. I can somewhat understand their concern, mainly because I am currently an O-4. My consolation was that the same day I received the non-select email I was notified of a third callback for a federal honors attorney program and now have an in-person interview coming up. Fingers crossed.

My advice for DAP applicants, make sure your resume shows litigation or “advocacy” experience. If I had worded some things differently, I likely would have been selected.


I'm sorry to hear that's how it went down, though I'm never sure about you ring knockers... (j/k).

As you noted, your rank may have cut against you a bit - you would have had to be put into leadership positions from the jump without the luxury of learning the job as an anonymous junior CGO. I have to imagine they have some slightly elevated/enhanced/different selection criteria for folks in your situation. You have some excellent credentials however and I can't help but wonder what the exact LIMFAC was.

Your advice for prospective applicants is solid and thank you for sharing your experience with the board. I'd offer to help with the Fed application process but it sounds like you have that in hand! I'd encourage you to apply again for a second JAG board if you are willing - sometimes that alone makes the difference and I know the JAGC would benefit from someone with your operational experience.

Good luck!

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Re: Military Law

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Anonymous User wrote:By the way (and not that this matters), but does anyone know the stats of selection this year for each of the Jag corps branches. I was told that it has been very competitive. Just curious.


AF was apparently highly selectived, but I don’t have details. I was a non-select with 9 years AD officer (including significant leadership time in combat), top 15% (albeit at a TTT school), EIC of highly ranked secondary journal, current state court clerkship, with pretty good LORs, including a high recommendation from the Army's Chief Judge who I personally worked with and knew me well. Also received “top marks” from the SJA I interviewed with who told me he felt it was a “sure thing.” Oh yea, also a USAFA grad. :roll:

The SJA contacted me after results came out and calling up higher because he was very surprised. I “just barely missed the cut” and the one area I was weak was in litigation and advocacy experience.

Not gonna lie, was pretty disappointed, and a little pissed. I can somewhat understand their concern, mainly because I am currently an O-4. My consolation was that the same day I received the non-select email I was notified of a third callback for a federal honors attorney program and now have an in-person interview coming up. Fingers crossed.

My advice for DAP applicants, make sure your resume shows litigation or “advocacy” experience. If I had worded some things differently, I likely would have been selected.


I'm sorry to hear that's how it went down, though I'm never sure about you ring knockers... (j/k).

As you noted, your rank may have cut against you a bit - you would have had to be put into leadership positions from the jump without the luxury of learning the job as an anonymous junior CGO. I have to imagine they have some slightly elevated/enhanced/different selection criteria for folks in your situation. You have some excellent credentials however and I can't help but wonder what the exact LIMFAC was.

Your advice for prospective applicants is solid and thank you for sharing your experience with the board. I'd offer to help with the Fed application process but it sounds like you have that in hand! I'd encourage you to apply again for a second JAG board if you are willing - sometimes that alone makes the difference and I know the JAGC would benefit from someone with your operational experience.

Good luck!


Do you have any tips for physical training? I don't have any medical or injury issues, but I just want to be prepared beforehand.

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Re: Military Law

Postby Patrick Bateman » Thu May 24, 2018 2:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote: Do you have any tips for physical training? I don't have any medical or injury issues, but I just want to be prepared beforehand.


I'm assuming this is directed toward me and that you are asking for Air Force fitness testing advice. If you could see me as a reservist, you'd probably consider asking someone better qualified. See: Image

Seriously though, the AFPT is not exactly hard to clear 90 on. We are not talking RASP or USMC standards.

You need to be able to run marginally fast and do a reasonable amount of pushups/situps. And not be fat for the A/C. Not being fat also will help you do the other things.

Standards are here: http://www.afpc.af.mil/Portals/70/docum ... CHARTS.pdf

Without knowing your current state of fitness, I'm hesitant to throw general advice. That said, I have found success with alternating longer, medium intensity runs of 3-5 miles with HIIT sprint days. Bodyweight exercises just take practice and a lot of reps. I would encourage you to look up the "Greasing the Groove" method for bodyweight exercises - it is an easy way to get your pushup/situp count up high in a relatively short amount of time if you are struggling.

If you are not fit at the moment, do not just jump into things full tilt. It may benefit to talk to a qualified* trainer if you are on the new end of the learning/fitness curve.

*This means not the meathead trainer in the tight shirt at your local gym, or the guy/gal that just got their weekend Crossfit certification and is suggesting complex Olympic style lifts out of the gate.

The Reddit fitness subreddits always have people asking about meeting military fitness standards - you can find a lot of good information from SMEs there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/

https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/

https://www.reddit.com/r/running/

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Re: Military Law

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 24, 2018 3:15 pm

Patrick Bateman wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: Do you have any tips for physical training? I don't have any medical or injury issues, but I just want to be prepared beforehand.


I'm assuming this is directed toward me and that you are asking for Air Force fitness testing advice. If you could see me as a reservist, you'd probably consider asking someone better qualified. See: Image

Seriously though, the AFPT is not exactly hard to clear 90 on. We are not talking RASP or USMC standards.

You need to be able to run marginally fast and do a reasonable amount of pushups/situps. And not be fat for the A/C. Not being fat also will help you do the other things.

Standards are here: http://www.afpc.af.mil/Portals/70/docum ... CHARTS.pdf

Without knowing your current state of fitness, I'm hesitant to throw general advice. That said, I have found success with alternating longer, medium intensity runs of 3-5 miles with HIIT sprint days. Bodyweight exercises just take practice and a lot of reps. I would encourage you to look up the "Greasing the Groove" method for bodyweight exercises - it is an easy way to get your pushup/situp count up high in a relatively short amount of time if you are struggling.

If you are not fit at the moment, do not just jump into things full tilt. It may benefit to talk to a qualified* trainer if you are on the new end of the learning/fitness curve.

*This means not the meathead trainer in the tight shirt at your local gym, or the guy/gal that just got their weekend Crossfit certification and is suggesting complex Olympic style lifts out of the gate.

The Reddit fitness subreddits always have people asking about meeting military fitness standards - you can find a lot of good information from SMEs there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/

https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/

https://www.reddit.com/r/running/


Thanks! This is good info. I've been training for a while to prepare, but it's good to get feedback from people actually in it now.



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