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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:12 pm

Any St. Louis firms share their list? Did a lot of the 1Ls stay with their firms? If so, class sizes look small and tough to crack during 2L hiring.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby RaceJudicata » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland & Ellis - Houston

Baylor (1)
BYU (3)
Columbia (1)
Duke (4)
GULC (3)
Harvard (1)
Howard (1)
NYU (1)
NU (1)
SMU (3)
Texas A&M (1)
TSU (1)
Tulane (3)
Bama (1)
Berkeley (1)
Chicago (2)
UH (3)
Michigan (1)
UT (10)
UVA (4)
Vanderbilt (2)

Total - 48


that's a fucking huge houston class. like almost laughably huge


People seem to underestimate how large the Texas market is, especially Houston. Plus, Kirkland is really thriving there. I think V&E had about 60 SAs in Houston last summer? They'll probably have more in the summer ahead.


50 summers in an office of 150 people is bananas. Even crazier when you consider the ratio to equity partners (which is somewhat hard to glean from their website).

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby TUwave » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:WilmerHale - Boston (22)

Harvard (3)
Stanford (2)
Penn (1)
Columbia (1)
NYU (1)
GULC (1)
BU (4)
BC (4)
Northeastern (4)
Suffolk (1)


Wow good for Northeastern tying BC/BU

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Boies Schiller NY

Yale: 4
Stanford: 2
Harvard: 2
Columbia: 2
Cornell: 2


How do you know this may I ask?

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:28 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Boies Schiller NY

Yale: 4
Stanford: 2
Harvard: 2
Columbia: 2
Cornell: 2


How do you know this may I ask?

Not OP, but from welcome email from firm to Incoming SA.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby longhorn25 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:51 am

RaceJudicata wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland & Ellis - Houston

Baylor (1)
BYU (3)
Columbia (1)
Duke (4)
GULC (3)
Harvard (1)
Howard (1)
NYU (1)
NU (1)
SMU (3)
Texas A&M (1)
TSU (1)
Tulane (3)
Bama (1)
Berkeley (1)
Chicago (2)
UH (3)
Michigan (1)
UT (10)
UVA (4)
Vanderbilt (2)

Total - 48


that's a fucking huge houston class. like almost laughably huge


People seem to underestimate how large the Texas market is, especially Houston. Plus, Kirkland is really thriving there. I think V&E had about 60 SAs in Houston last summer? They'll probably have more in the summer ahead.


50 summers in an office of 150 people is bananas. Even crazier when you consider the ratio to equity partners (which is somewhat hard to glean from their website).


As an incoming K&E Houston SA, should this be cause for concern? I turned down an offer at V&E Houston for K&E too. Should I be trying to switch to a different office or what?

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby 2013 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:46 am

TUwave wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:WilmerHale - Boston (22)

Harvard (3)
Stanford (2)
Penn (1)
Columbia (1)
NYU (1)
GULC (1)
BU (4)
BC (4)
Northeastern (4)
Suffolk (1)


Wow good for Northeastern tying BC/BU


Crazy that it went from 0 for the class of 2017 to the same number as BC/BU.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:Cravath

Harvard (18)
Columbia (17)
NYU (15)
Yale (8)
Penn (7)
Cornell (5)
Georgetown (5)
Stanford (4)
Emory (3)
USC (2)
Berkeley (2)
Northwestern (1)
Virginia (1)
Howard (1)
Toronto (1)
North Carolina (1)
GW (1)
Texas (1)

Total - 93


Wow does UChicago really have none at Cravath? That would make them the only T6 with less than 4...

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby RaceJudicata » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:06 pm

longhorn25 wrote:
RaceJudicata wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland & Ellis - Houston

Baylor (1)
BYU (3)
Columbia (1)
Duke (4)
GULC (3)
Harvard (1)
Howard (1)
NYU (1)
NU (1)
SMU (3)
Texas A&M (1)
TSU (1)
Tulane (3)
Bama (1)
Berkeley (1)
Chicago (2)
UH (3)
Michigan (1)
UT (10)
UVA (4)
Vanderbilt (2)

Total - 48


that's a fucking huge houston class. like almost laughably huge


People seem to underestimate how large the Texas market is, especially Houston. Plus, Kirkland is really thriving there. I think V&E had about 60 SAs in Houston last summer? They'll probably have more in the summer ahead.


50 summers in an office of 150 people is bananas. Even crazier when you consider the ratio to equity partners (which is somewhat hard to glean from their website).


As an incoming K&E Houston SA, should this be cause for concern? I turned down an offer at V&E Houston for K&E too. Should I be trying to switch to a different office or what?


In my view, no. You’ll get your job offer and be fine. If the economy tanks, you (and everyone else) will be in trouble - whether you went to V&E or elsewhere.. That trouble *may* be somewhat amplified due to this amount of leverage. But that is way outside of your control.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland & Ellis - Houston

Baylor (1)
BYU (3)
Columbia (1)
Duke (4)
GULC (3)
Harvard (1)
Howard (1)
NYU (1)
NU (1)
SMU (3)
Texas A&M (1)
TSU (1)
Tulane (3)
Bama (1)
Berkeley (1)
Chicago (2)
UH (3)
Michigan (1)
UT (10)
UVA (4)
Vanderbilt (2)

Total - 48


OP here.

The number concerns me. I actually edited out a comment about my concerns, but here are some things that should relieve (some) of your concern if you're an incoming SA:

1. The office is busy. I know a non-M&A associate who was at ~2500 billables.
2. Sean Wheeler is a big and from my impression, unexpected pick up that happened right before the recruiting went into full-swing. In my pre-OCI CB, one of my interviewers told me that they had literally just (within hours of interviewing me) made the decision to double the size of the summer class. I suspect that Wheeler partially caused the class size.
3. 2. also means that the class size is deliberate, not an unexpected number of people accepting offers.
4. The litigation department basically didn't/doesn't exist. There are only 2 homegrown litigation associates. Based on the Houston recruiting thread this year, litigation recruiting is ramping up for the first time.
5. V&E has increased its summer class size by about 30% every year since 2015, which means the projected 2019 summer class size would be 42 2Ls, which makes 48 seem less crazy. To be fair, V&E is bigger, but then again, it's not looking to grow.
6. The website doesn't yet show ~30 stub-year associates so the office is actually ~180 attorneys, making the SA to attorney ratio 1:4. Cravath isn't looking to grow and regularly (though not this year) has ~120 SAs for an office of ~500 attorneys. Of course, you may not have signed up for place with Cravathesque levels of attrition, but then again, I doubt many people thought they were picking a "lifestyle" firm with K&E.
7. Band 1 debtor-side BK practice... blah blah...
8. V&E regularly no-offers ~10% of its class. K&E offers 100% so either way, there's a small chance of a no-offer. The only difference is that K&E probably has the decency to at least cold offer.

I know I sound like a crazy Kool-Aid drinker, but even with all those factors, I think 48 is a push. I just have to trust that the people who call the shots are better informed than me, and at the end of the day, that's all any law student can really do. I'm alarmed but not panicking over the class size--though if I see any significant sign that the economy can't keep up, I would definitely do 3L OCI and trying to transfer to V&E while the gettin's good.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby LBJ's Hair » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:34 am

Glass half full perspective: if the class was small, people would be freaking out that there's not enough work to go around, right?

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:02 am

longhorn25 wrote:
RaceJudicata wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland & Ellis - Houston

Baylor (1)
BYU (3)
Columbia (1)
Duke (4)
GULC (3)
Harvard (1)
Howard (1)
NYU (1)
NU (1)
SMU (3)
Texas A&M (1)
TSU (1)
Tulane (3)
Bama (1)
Berkeley (1)
Chicago (2)
UH (3)
Michigan (1)
UT (10)
UVA (4)
Vanderbilt (2)

Total - 48


that's a fucking huge houston class. like almost laughably huge


People seem to underestimate how large the Texas market is, especially Houston. Plus, Kirkland is really thriving there. I think V&E had about 60 SAs in Houston last summer? They'll probably have more in the summer ahead.


50 summers in an office of 150 people is bananas. Even crazier when you consider the ratio to equity partners (which is somewhat hard to glean from their website).


As an incoming K&E Houston SA, should this be cause for concern? I turned down an offer at V&E Houston for K&E too. Should I be trying to switch to a different office or what?


No. K&E gives full offers to their summers and if you end up seeing concerning signs over the summer you can ask for an office transfer during your 3L year and that won't be an issue. My concern is the one others have given that they don't have enough attorneys (and I'm discounting the current stubbies here) to successfully give you "work" experience. I was at another big Houston firm and I found that my best experiences were projects where I was the only summer and I got to really learn something from the midlevels and seniors. More often I was 1 of 3 summers on a single project and in those situations you don't learn much at all. Oil and gas have been pretty weird all year, especially in the midstream space. Who knows what the summer will be like? It might be slow and it might completely, overwhelmingly slammed. Slow but steady is much better for summers generally. Slammed means no one has time to train at all.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby carsondalywashere » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:33 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland Chicago has a class of 58. Don't want to post the entire school breakdown since there are lot of them (most schools only have one or two people), but top three were (1) Northwestern - 15 (2) Michigan - 14 (3) Chicago - 10. A handful from Harvard and Yale. Most of the local schools are sending at least one person. There is also some representation from Big 10 law schools and other t14 schools.


Wow Chicago only has 10 more than Houston?

Chicago is not that big of a market really. Kirkland Chicago always has the biggest class size. Usually Kirkland has 55-60 and Sidley usually has 40-45. Then firms like Winston, Jenner, McDermott, and Jones Day will have 20-25. And then there is Mayer Brown, Katten, Latham, Skadden who usually have around 15. Most firms in the market only take 5-10 summers.

Don't forget Baker McKenzie, DLA Piper, Ropes & Gray, and Schiff Hardin typically hire 12-15. Also Foley & Lardner has a big office in Chicago, so they likely hire a decent size class.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Boies Schiller NY

Yale: 4
Stanford: 2
Harvard: 2
Columbia: 2
Cornell: 2


How do you know this may I ask?

Not OP, but from welcome email from firm to Incoming SA.


Anyone else not get the email?

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Boies Schiller NY

Yale: 4
Stanford: 2
Harvard: 2
Columbia: 2
Cornell: 2


How do you know this may I ask?

Not OP, but from welcome email from firm to Incoming SA.


Anyone else not get the email?


Yeah I did not get a welcome email.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:40 pm

Any of those who received these emails (or those that receive them in the future) mind sharing start dates? Trying to get an idea of when mine might be in advance without asking (event around the date which it might start).

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any of those who received these emails (or those that receive them in the future) mind sharing start dates? Trying to get an idea of when mine might be in advance without asking (event around the date which it might start).


May 14 - July 26. 54 summer associates (about 15 more than last year).

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:30 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any of those who received these emails (or those that receive them in the future) mind sharing start dates? Trying to get an idea of when mine might be in advance without asking (event around the date which it might start).


May 20-July 26.

You could also e-mail recruiting and ask. It's not a controversial question.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:51 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Boies Schiller NY

Yale: 4
Stanford: 2
Harvard: 2
Columbia: 2
Cornell: 2


How do you know this may I ask?

Not OP, but from welcome email from firm to Incoming SA.


Boies Schiller SF

Stanford: 4
Berkeley: 1
Harvard: 1

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:16 pm

Any update? Also curious of this year’s post acceptance /holiday gift

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:05 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any update? Also curious of this year’s post acceptance /holiday gift


I know Sidley gave Patagonias, Arnold & Porter gave fjallraven backpacks.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby bwh8813 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:13 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Any update? Also curious of this year’s post acceptance /holiday gift


I know Sidley gave Patagonias


Midtown uniforms or full fleece/jacket?

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:02 am

So jealous of these Patagonias...anyone have any of the Houston offices?

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:59 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any update? Also curious of this year’s post acceptance /holiday gift


SRZ sent Kindles.

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Re: Summer Classes 2019 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:27 pm

bwh8813 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any update? Also curious of this year’s post acceptance /holiday gift


I know Sidley gave Patagonias


Midtown uniforms or full fleece/jacket?


Would be sick if its midtown uniform. I got one when I was an analyst and still wears it pretty often.



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