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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:42 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Do you get calls from all journals you're accepted to? Or just your top ranked choice that accepted you?

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:46 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Do they just leave a voicemail if you don't pick up?

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:48 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:51 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.


You need to relaaaaaaax. Journal is so irrelevant anyway. Easy to get an offer without one and realistically that's all it's important for.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:56 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.


You need to relaaaaaaax. Journal is so irrelevant anyway. Easy to get an offer without one and realistically that's all it's important for.


But many firms "prefer" journal experience, and judging by the posts from other schools, they find people without journal has a higher chance of not having an offer. I know correlation does not equal causation; it's just psychologically easier if I can have one.
That being said, I did not put much effort in the writing competition, so sort of know this from the beginning. :)

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:59 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.


You need to relaaaaaaax. Journal is so irrelevant anyway. Easy to get an offer without one and realistically that's all it's important for.


But many firms "prefer" journal experience, and judging by the posts from other schools, they find people without journal has a higher chance of not having an offer. I know correlation does not equal causation; it's just psychologically easier if I can have one.
That being said, I did not put much effort in the writing competition, so sort of know this from the beginning. :)


Many firms prefer a 3.95 too. I'm just saying, chill, it really isn't a big deal. You're at Cornell and will get a job from AJF unless you're a complete and utter weirdo.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:01 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.


You need to relaaaaaaax. Journal is so irrelevant anyway. Easy to get an offer without one and realistically that's all it's important for.


But many firms "prefer" journal experience, and judging by the posts from other schools, they find people without journal has a higher chance of not having an offer. I know correlation does not equal causation; it's just psychologically easier if I can have one.
That being said, I did not put much effort in the writing competition, so sort of know this from the beginning. :)


Many firms prefer a 3.95 too. I'm just saying, chill, it really isn't a big deal. You're at Cornell and will get a job from AJF unless you're a complete and utter weirdo.


Right, thanks. Focus on interview preparation then.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:It's all of them. If you didn't get a call, you likely didn't get on a journal :?


This is fake news. Whoever is behind this should back off and not repeat this behavior. The journals have not even finalized their lists.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:14 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.


You need to relaaaaaaax. Journal is so irrelevant anyway. Easy to get an offer without one and realistically that's all it's important for.


But many firms "prefer" journal experience, and judging by the posts from other schools, they find people without journal has a higher chance of not having an offer. I know correlation does not equal causation; it's just psychologically easier if I can have one.
That being said, I did not put much effort in the writing competition, so sort of know this from the beginning. :)


Many firms prefer a 3.95 too. I'm just saying, chill, it really isn't a big deal. You're at Cornell and will get a job from AJF unless you're a complete and utter weirdo.


Right, thanks. Focus on interview preparation then.



Ye, definitely focus on interview prep. My friend already has like 4 pre AJF offers because he has just learned to be an amazing interviewer and he only has a 3.3, so bang at median.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:25 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is it just Law review's calls or ILJ and JLPP are also starting to give calls?


Last year all three journals made calls on the same day.


Ok, I am having panic attacks. How about people who, say, both LR and ILJ sent an offer, and that people takes LR's offer. Isn't this would create a slot in ILJ? If all of the invitations were sent at the same time.


You need to relaaaaaaax. Journal is so irrelevant anyway. Easy to get an offer without one and realistically that's all it's important for.


But many firms "prefer" journal experience, and judging by the posts from other schools, they find people without journal has a higher chance of not having an offer. I know correlation does not equal causation; it's just psychologically easier if I can have one.
That being said, I did not put much effort in the writing competition, so sort of know this from the beginning. :)


Many firms prefer a 3.95 too. I'm just saying, chill, it really isn't a big deal. You're at Cornell and will get a job from AJF unless you're a complete and utter weirdo.


Right, thanks. Focus on interview preparation then.


This may be anecdotal, but I know a guy who got a V10 offer just by finishing Top 4 in Moot Court, no journal and below median. He's not even that charismatic, so just be able to point to something you're good at and sets you apart from everyone else.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:28 pm

This may be anecdotal, but I know a guy who got a V10 offer just by finishing Top 4 in Moot Court, no journal and below median. He's not even that charismatic, so just be able to point to something you're good at and sets you apart from everyone else.[/quote]

Anecdotal, but I also heard the same thing.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This may be anecdotal, but I know a guy who got a V10 offer just by finishing Top 4 in Moot Court, no journal and below median. He's not even that charismatic, so just be able to point to something you're good at and sets you apart from everyone else.


Anecdotal, but I also heard the same thing.[/quote]


what year was this? seems a bit more competitive right now than it being that easy?

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:31 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:This may be anecdotal, but I know a guy who got a V10 offer just by finishing Top 4 in Moot Court, no journal and below median. He's not even that charismatic, so just be able to point to something you're good at and sets you apart from everyone else.


Anecdotal, but I also heard the same thing.



what year was this? seems a bit more competitive right now than it being that easy?[/quote]

2004. An old Alumni friend of mine

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:42 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:This may be anecdotal, but I know a guy who got a V10 offer just by finishing Top 4 in Moot Court, no journal and below median. He's not even that charismatic, so just be able to point to something you're good at and sets you apart from everyone else.


Anecdotal, but I also heard the same thing.



what year was this? seems a bit more competitive right now than it being that easy?


2004. An old Alumni friend of mine[/quote]

Oh wow! Do you think you could put him in touch with me? I'm in a similar boat, where I didn't do too well, but I think I have a convincing story to tell.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:58 pm

Just got the law review rejection email. Probably going to strike out now.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just got the law review rejection email. Probably going to strike out now.

stop.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:57 pm

According to the LR rejection email, the other journals are still finalizing their decisions. So still hope?

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:According to the LR rejection email, the other journals are still finalizing their decisions. So still hope?


My friend just received a call from ILJ so apparently the secondary journals calls are out too.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby ughbugchugplug » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:42 pm

Hey what’s up guys and gals. I’m a former cornellian and an associate at a v10 in NYC, happy to give any advice people may want to know. A few things to keep in mind:

1) journals matter for clerkships but not much for AJF in my experience. Don’t worry about it and don’t be defensive if it comes up in an interview

2) don’t worry so much about vault ratings. Nobody cares in the actual profession. It doesn’t even correlate to exit options, because vault doesn’t really even track preftige among lawyers. If you know who a firm’s clients are and where their partners came from (SDNY USAO, e.g.) you know a bit about exit options

3) Things that will affect your day to day life are whether a firm has an hours minimum for bonuses below 1900 (or at all) and whether the firm has chill partners and associates. You can learn some of this from talking to current cornellians at the firm.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:24 pm

Anyone got a decision from JLPP for the write-on application?

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone got a decision from JLPP for the write-on application?


Yep, know someone got in JLPP last Friday.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:59 pm

Can't stress this enough but don't count yourselves out because of your GPA or lack of a journal. If you can talk to people like a normal person, you WILL get a job. Even if you aren't good at it, work on it up until AJF. Mock interview like hell. Go somewhere social and talk to folks. If you're really introverted, like I am, get in the habit of striking conversation and push your boundaries some. I remember warming up for AJF mornings by starting conversations with random patrons at Starbucks. In between interviews, I just kept my social inertia going by talking with friends and joking with the random families you inevitably run into in the hotel elevators.

AJF/OCI is probably the only career interview experience where interviewees aren't really being interviewed on their professional knowledge. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was be able to tell a story for every line on resume, or at least the obvious things you'll be asked about. Practice it on friends or in mock interviews until its natural/second nature. Think of your interviews as brief conversations. Don't just answer your interviewer's questions. If an interviewer tries to relate to something you said, keep the conversation going and be personable!

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:52 am

How are people doing with pre-OCI? It seems that a lot of people I know are going into AJF with an offer

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How are people doing with pre-OCI? It seems that a lot of people I know are going into AJF with an offer



most people I've spoken to about it are going in with multiple offers. Of course, those without haven't been as open and vocal about discussing things so it's hard to tell. Can think of about 10 people off the top of my head with at least one offer atm, median grades all the way up to top 10% with v60 - v10 firms involved.

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Re: Cornell 2018 AJF

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:28 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:How are people doing with pre-OCI? It seems that a lot of people I know are going into AJF with an offer



most people I've spoken to about it are going in with multiple offers. Of course, those without haven't been as open and vocal about discussing things so it's hard to tell. Can think of about 10 people off the top of my head with at least one offer atm, median grades all the way up to top 10% with v60 - v10 firms involved.


Going into OCI with 5 offers. Above median grades but nothing special.



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