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County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby CntyProsecutor » Sat May 12, 2018 3:59 pm

Hi all -

County prosecutor here, taking questions.

Quick overview: 2015 TTT graduate. Law Review, Moot Court, Trial Ad. TA. Decent grades in LS. Two years of private practice before taking position as a state prosecutor. I have been with my office for roughly 1 year. The county I'm employed with is immediately adjacent to a major metro area. As such, it's one of the "bigger" prosecutor offices in my state.

I'm in my office doing some mindless work, and thought I'd open up the forum in the event I could provide some insight to TLSers out there. Whatever you want to ask, I'll try my best to answer.

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Anonymous Questioner » Sun May 13, 2018 6:50 pm

1) How hard is it to get a job as an ADA in a mid-sized district right out of law school? If I work for the local offices during summers and have Moot Court, is it still crazy competitive?
2) Is it crazy difficult to move up in ranking within the office? What factors determine who moves up?

Thanks so much!

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 14, 2018 8:58 am

Thanks for doing this.

Since you came in with 2 years of experience, did they start you on a salary of a 3rd year ADA or did you have to start from "0"?

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 14, 2018 12:20 pm

Salary?

Have you been sent out for trial yet or just hearings?

Best Judge story?

How do criminal appeals work in your jx?

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Anonymous User » Mon May 14, 2018 3:44 pm

Hi, thanks for doing this.

Not sure if you can answer this but would appreciate any insight.

I'm interested in an ADA job (or any government attorney job) within my district. It's a pretty competitive district because a lot of people want to move there.

I've noticed just from LinkedIn and interviews I've been to, the local law school here dominates the majority of these positions. The school is a large third tier school that puts out a large number of graduates each year. There are more higher ranked law schools in the state, but it seems graduates from this particular school fills many of these positions, at both the low (temporary prosecutor positions) and high end (supervisory, managing roles).

I can't tell if it's all in my head, but do ADA offices typically look to hire their own alumni? I thought this was typically more a thing within the private sector, but I'm getting the feeling that it's more a thing within the public sector.

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 19, 2018 10:03 am

good thread.

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Ohiobumpkin » Sat May 19, 2018 3:58 pm

OP coming back, lol?

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby encore1101 » Sat May 19, 2018 7:06 pm

I'm not the OP, but since he's seem to have vanished, I'll answer some to the best of my knowledge
(I'm a NYC, non-Manhattan prosecutor so reasonably similar to OP's position).

1) How hard is it to get a job as an ADA in a mid-sized district right out of law school? If I work for the local offices during summers and have Moot Court, is it still crazy competitive?
2) Is it crazy difficult to move up in ranking within the office? What factors determine who moves up?


1. In NYC offices, it's still pretty competitive. Hundreds, if not thousands of applicants for each office, for, at most, 30 spots. That being said, I've heard that applicants have been decreasing the last few years, perhaps because the private sector has been doing better. Your chances will almost always be higher if you intern at that office. I saw "almost" because I've heard/seen situations where the intern either did a poor job, did not mesh well with the ADAs, or both, and doing the internship actually hurt that intern's odds.
Unless you're looking to get into Appeals Bureau, doing PTAI may be better than Moot Court. That being said, some offices look for new hires specifically for Appeals, so it may be a nice way to stand out.

2) In my office at least, it's fairly difficult. The two major factors I've seen considered for who moves up is competency, and space availability. Each bureau is allotted a certain amount of "Senior ADAs," "Supervisors," "Deputy Bureau Chiefs," for example. If that bureau has enough "Senior ADAs," then it's difficult to be promoted within that bureau to Senior ADA.

Since you came in with 2 years of experience, did they start you on a salary of a 3rd year ADA or did you have to start from "0"?


I did not do this, but my co-hire came in with several years in a different county. He started at the same pay rate. Similarly, another co-hire previously clerked in a different state and started at the same pay rate as well.

Salary?

Have you been sent out for trial yet or just hearings?

Best Judge story?

How do criminal appeals work in your jx?]

$68k ish base, which ends up being closer to $71-72k with bonuses.
I'm in Appeals, so I haven't done trials. One of my fellow Appeals ADAs second-sat a trial. I've done several post-conviction hearings, oral arguments in the AD and AT, and am currently sitting in a pre-trial hearing to help out the trial assistants.

Gonna pass on the best judge story, since that'll give away who I am.

Defendants can appeal to the intermediate appellate court as of right. Highest court by permission only. Unlimited opportunities for post-conviction motions, although there is a permissive procedural bar after the first one. Appeal of post-conviction motion is permissive.

I can't tell if it's all in my head, but do ADA offices typically look to hire their own alumni? I thought this was typically more a thing within the private sector, but I'm getting the feeling that it's more a thing within the public sector.


My office tends to hire from local law schools. Partly because we have so many ADAs as adjuncts there. A lot of our senior staff went to the local law schools. We have clinics at the local law schools as well. I don't think its a matter of "oh this person went to <local law school>, let's give him a +1!" (though that definitely may be a factor). It's more like, people who go to local law schools have more opportunities to build connections and network with the ADAs that are there.

OP coming back, lol?


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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby encore1101 » Sat May 19, 2018 9:54 pm

I messed up the formatting from the previous post and it won't let me edit, so here's a clearer version:

Salary?

Have you been sent out for trial yet or just hearings?

Best Judge story?

How do criminal appeals work in your jx?


$68k ish base, which ends up being closer to $71-72k with bonuses.
I'm in Appeals, so I haven't done trials. One of my fellow Appeals ADAs second-sat a trial. I've done several post-conviction hearings, oral arguments in the AD and AT, and am currently sitting in a pre-trial hearing to help out the trial assistants.

Gonna pass on the best judge story, since that'll give away who I am.

Defendants can appeal to the intermediate appellate court as of right. Highest court by permission only. Unlimited opportunities for post-conviction motions, although there is a permissive procedural bar after the first one. Appeal of post-conviction motion is permissive.


I can't tell if it's all in my head, but do ADA offices typically look to hire their own alumni? I thought this was typically more a thing within the private sector, but I'm getting the feeling that it's more a thing within the public sector.


My office tends to hire from local law schools. Partly because we have so many ADAs as adjuncts there. A lot of our senior staff went to the local law schools. We have clinics at the local law schools as well. I don't think its a matter of "oh this person went to <local law school>, let's give him a +1!" (though that definitely may be a factor). It's more like, people who go to local law schools have more opportunities to build connections and network with the ADAs that are there.

Also, I think there's a belief that people from local law schools are more likely to stick around than use the DA's office as a stepping stone for a better job. Whether that belief is warranted or not, and if so, what are the reasons underlying that belief, is a separate discussion.

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby suicide_sally » Sat May 19, 2018 11:02 pm

Why did you choose a job that requires you to DESTROY the lives of poor people???? Also, aren't you afraid of going to hell for this?


uote="CntyProsecutor"]Hi all -

County prosecutor here, taking questions.

Quick overview: 2015 TTT graduate. Law Review, Moot Court, Trial Ad. TA. Decent grades in LS. Two years of private practice before taking position as a state prosecutor. I have been with my office for roughly 1 year. The county I'm employed with is immediately adjacent to a major metro area. As such, it's one of the "bigger" prosecutor offices in my state.

I'm in my office doing some mindless work, and thought I'd open up the forum in the event I could provide some insight to TLSers out there. Whatever you want to ask, I'll try my best to answer.[/quote]

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby objctnyrhnr » Sun May 20, 2018 12:46 am

suicide_sally wrote:Why did you choose a job that requires you to DESTROY the lives of poor people???? Also, aren't you afraid of going to hell for this?


uote="CntyProsecutor"]Hi all -

County prosecutor here, taking questions.

Quick overview: 2015 TTT graduate. Law Review, Moot Court, Trial Ad. TA. Decent grades in LS. Two years of private practice before taking position as a state prosecutor. I have been with my office for roughly 1 year. The county I'm employed with is immediately adjacent to a major metro area. As such, it's one of the "bigger" prosecutor offices in my state.

I'm in my office doing some mindless work, and thought I'd open up the forum in the event I could provide some insight to TLSers out there. Whatever you want to ask, I'll try my best to answer.
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How about when those poor people in question (defendants) destroy the lives of other poor people in their communities (victims). Or in your view, should nobody ever be punished for anything? Why have laws at all?

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby BeeTeeZ » Sun May 20, 2018 5:55 am

CntyProsecutor wrote:Hi all -

County prosecutor here, taking questions.

Quick overview: 2015 TTT graduate. Law Review, Moot Court, Trial Ad. TA. Decent grades in LS. Two years of private practice before taking position as a state prosecutor. I have been with my office for roughly 1 year. The county I'm employed with is immediately adjacent to a major metro area. As such, it's one of the "bigger" prosecutor offices in my state.

I'm in my office doing some mindless work, and thought I'd open up the forum in the event I could provide some insight to TLSers out there. Whatever you want to ask, I'll try my best to answer.


Maybe you should stick with the mindless work.

Thanks for nothing bozo.

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby encore1101 » Sun May 20, 2018 6:14 am

suicide_sally wrote:Why did you choose a job that requires you to DESTROY the lives of poor people???? Also, aren't you afraid of going to hell for this?



Some of my defendants include:
Guy who sucker-punched his victim and stomped the shit out of him because they got into a fight at a bar an hour earlier. Victim was in a coma and later died.
Guy who went 60+ MPH past a stopped school bus that had its red lights blinking. He hit a 11 y/o school girl that was crossing the street. She's been paralyzed for about 6 years now. Her parents have to bathe her every night.
Guy shot at an imam. He attacked the victim's mosque with an axe and tried to burn it down.
Guy who downloaded 11,000+ images and videos of child pornography, including some of very explicit content of young children getting raped.
Guy who recorded his step-daughter taking a shower using a hidden camera.
Guy and girl who used a shoe string to kill a homeless man for drug money.

I don't believe in hell, so I'm not afraid I'm going there.

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Re: County Prosecutor Taking Questions

Postby Ohiobumpkin » Sun May 20, 2018 3:04 pm

encore1101 wrote:
suicide_sally wrote:Why did you choose a job that requires you to DESTROY the lives of poor people???? Also, aren't you afraid of going to hell for this?



Some of my defendants include:
Guy who sucker-punched his victim and stomped the shit out of him because they got into a fight at a bar an hour earlier. Victim was in a coma and later died.
Guy who went 60+ MPH past a stopped school bus that had its red lights blinking. He hit a 11 y/o school girl that was crossing the street. She's been paralyzed for about 6 years now. Her parents have to bathe her every night.
Guy shot at an imam. He attacked the victim's mosque with an axe and tried to burn it down.
Guy who downloaded 11,000+ images and videos of child pornography, including some of very explicit content of young children getting raped.
Guy who recorded his step-daughter taking a shower using a hidden camera.
Guy and girl who used a shoe string to kill a homeless man for drug money.

I don't believe in hell, so I'm not afraid I'm going there.


+1. I get the suspicion against prosecutors in some select areas, but prosecutors are often just as much the good guys as public defenders are. Thank you for your work!



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