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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is everyone here employed at prestigious top 50 firms? Any other fellow AmLaw 50-100 associates waiting patiently on the sidelines hoping we'll get some scraps thrown our way?


Me! My firm isn’t going to raise, but I wish it would raise a little. Our PPP is very low, almost to the point where a senior associate at one of the big firms is making slightly less than some of the equity partners at my firm.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:42 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Brown Rudnick match across all offices. No summer bonus though (rationale being that above market bonuses are paid to 2400+ hour billers).

I'm ok with it honestly. Its nice that a smaller AmLaw 200 firm pays market at all (190K for first years in Hartford and Providence is kinda crazy).


A firm that rescinded offers to almost half of its incoming associates just before they graduated has now matched. And yet still no word from most of the biggest Boston, DC, and California firms. Very interesting.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=227896


Brown Rudnick is as average as a firm gets and it matched. WTF.

Every form in the AmLaw 100 should be able to match now.


Did they even match $180 before? Vault says they are still at $160k... http://www.vault.com/company-profiles/law/brown-rudnick-llp/company-overview

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Brown Rudnick match across all offices. No summer bonus though (rationale being that above market bonuses are paid to 2400+ hour billers).

I'm ok with it honestly. Its nice that a smaller AmLaw 200 firm pays market at all (190K for first years in Hartford and Providence is kinda crazy).


A firm that rescinded offers to almost half of its incoming associates just before they graduated has now matched. And yet still no word from most of the biggest Boston, DC, and California firms. Very interesting.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=227896


Brown Rudnick is as average as a firm gets and it matched. WTF.

Every form in the AmLaw 100 should be able to match now.


Did they even match $180 before? Vault says they are still at $160k... http://www.vault.com/company-profiles/law/brown-rudnick-llp/company-overview


I believe they matched 180 in mid-2017

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:47 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Brown Rudnick match across all offices. No summer bonus though (rationale being that above market bonuses are paid to 2400+ hour billers).

I'm ok with it honestly. Its nice that a smaller AmLaw 200 firm pays market at all (190K for first years in Hartford and Providence is kinda crazy).


A firm that rescinded offers to almost half of its incoming associates just before they graduated has now matched. And yet still no word from most of the biggest Boston, DC, and California firms. Very interesting.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=227896


Brown Rudnick is as average as a firm gets and it matched. WTF.

Every form in the AmLaw 100 should be able to match now.


Yeah, Brown Rudnick’s profits per partner is so low, I thought it was another DC firm.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby prisonerofazkaban1 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Jones day defender from a few pages back here... I'm just going to shut up now https://abovethelaw.com/2018/06/jones-day-hit-with-explosive-gender-discrimination-case/


Hoooly smokes. "Spa Day"...shudder.

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Re: NYC to 200k

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prisonerofazkaban1 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Jones day defender from a few pages back here... I'm just going to shut up now https://abovethelaw.com/2018/06/jones-day-hit-with-explosive-gender-discrimination-case/


Hoooly smokes. "Spa Day"...shudder.


I’m the anon from a few pages back, before the complaint on ATL was filed, who was giving Jones Day all the shit for its stupid black-box compensation. I would like to say I’m surprised by these allegations, but not at all. People would much angrier than they already all (as in, schools thinking about banning Jones Day from OCI) if all of Jones Day’s compensation-related shenanigans were brought to light.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Brown Rudnick match across all offices. No summer bonus though (rationale being that above market bonuses are paid to 2400+ hour billers).

I'm ok with it honestly. Its nice that a smaller AmLaw 200 firm pays market at all (190K for first years in Hartford and Providence is kinda crazy).


A firm that rescinded offers to almost half of its incoming associates just before they graduated has now matched. And yet still no word from most of the biggest Boston, DC, and California firms. Very interesting.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=227896


Ropes and Goodwin already matched. Wilmer was slow the last go-around too.


Ropes - full match
WH - ___
Goodwin - full match
Choate - ___
Skadden - full match
Foley Hoag* - ___
Mintz - ___
Fish - ___
Latham - WTF BRO
Proskauer - Milbank only
Weil - full match
Goulston* - ___
Cooley - ___
Nutter* - ___
MLB - full match
JD - clusterfuck
Nixon* - ___
K&L (??) - ___
McDermott - match reported on TLS, not ATL confirmed
HK* - ___


Cooley matched salaries.

Everyone else is watching Choate (and mayyybe Mintz). If those don’t go, the “Boston” firms are probably done.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:15 pm

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prisonerofazkaban1 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Jones day defender from a few pages back here... I'm just going to shut up now https://abovethelaw.com/2018/06/jones-day-hit-with-explosive-gender-discrimination-case/


Hoooly smokes. "Spa Day"...shudder.


I’m the anon from a few pages back, before the complaint on ATL was filed, who was giving Jones Day all the shit for its stupid black-box compensation. I would like to say I’m surprised by these allegations, but not at all. People would much angrier than they already all (as in, schools thinking about banning Jones Day from OCI) if all of Jones Day’s compensation-related shenanigans were brought to light.



If they’re going to mention the associate’s salary they should mention that it’s probably nepotism and not some “fraternity.” The guy’s father-in-law was the partner-in-charge of one of its offices. If my daughter were married to an associate at the firm, I sure as hell would do anything in my power to get that associate PAID.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:15 pm

Jones Day 6th year associate was paid 810k??!?

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:15 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is DC just staying at 180?


There is no longer such a thing as a "DC market," or any other city market. There hasn't been a a generation. Hundreds, if not thousands, of DC associates at Simpson, Sidley, Morgan Lewis, etc are on the new scale and will soon get the bonuses they earned.

The firms that have raised compete for summers and laterals with the firms that haven't, even firms in their home market. The associates already at "DC firms" or "Boston firms" or what have you see their law school classmates at what they had thought were peer firms suddenly and inexplicably earning more than them, and they see no reason for their firms not to match.


Technically this is true, but there certainly is such a thing as the "DC market" and "DC firms" in the mind of top law students. Wilmer, Williams & Connolly, Covington, Gibson, A&P, Hogan Lovells, ect.--that's the DC clique, and they constitute a "market" for recruiting purposes even if big New York and California firms have DC satellite offices. These are the firms with the biggest summer classes, the home offices, the most DC-focused practices, the best government exit options, and yes, the most "prestige." Its where the kids at FIP are actually trying to go while throw backup bids at Paul Weiss and Cravath. Some satellites matter more: Skadden, Kirkland, and Cleary for example, create market pressure. Others don't; what the handful of Davis Polk associates in the DC office are making is not important. Comp has never taken center stage in DC: Williams & Connolly is still the top prize despite substantial below-market comp, and Boies DC associates have been making more than other DC firms for years, but its rarely a top choice over Covington or Wilmer.


Gibson's inclusion on this list strikes me as strange when (1) Gibson isn't a DC firm and (2) in DC, the size difference between Gibson and Skadden/Kirkland/Cleary is negligible.

Quick website searches show 218 for Gibson, 205 for Kirkland, and 181 for Cleary in the District. I couldn't narrow the count down so easily for Skadden, but I think it would be the largest of those four in DC. Gibson doesn't really belong in the cabal of the core DC firms.

In my experience, Williams & Connolly and Covington have a special "DC elite" aura among 2Ls, and Wilmer, Hogan, and Arnold & Porter are next up as they're thought of as truly "DC firms."

The advantages conferred by that seem to be pretty meaningless once in practice. I don't think HL or A&P confers better gov exit options than GDC or KE or Skadden. There's definitely more of them, though, so it looks that way. And which has more "prestige"? Maybe the Hogan name carries more sway at a happy hour with some House legislative assistant you're trying to pick up. No clue. But the very DC centric firms carry much less sway outside of DC as compared to the bigger boys. To the extent that matters (and it doesn't, really, at all), it's a consideration if you ever think you'll leave the swamp.


I went to one of the HYS schools and GDC in DC was regarded as equal to, if not slightly preferable to, A&P and Hogan. I've always understood the preftige pecking order to go W&C/Covington > GDC/Wilmer > A&P/Hogan [cutoff of the DC "clique" here]> major DC offices of non-DC firms (think like Skadden, Sidley, Akin Gump, JonesDay) > the lower native DC firms (Steptoe, Wiley Rein) and smaller satellites. This is especially true if you lean conservative as FedSoc types love them some GDC DC.


I’m the anon from above giving the original list of DC clique. This is exactly my point. At T6 schools, there’s definitely an impression of who rocks the DC market, and its not guided by national firms with DC satellites—except Gibson, which is why I included it. Although I will say, at my HYS, Covington was more comparable to Wilmer (depended on what work you wanted), and W&C/Kellogg were above Covington on their own tier.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:23 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day 6th year associate was paid 810k??!?


I know, right? That's bananas. Like outright INSANE!

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is DC just staying at 180?


There is no longer such a thing as a "DC market," or any other city market. There hasn't been a a generation. Hundreds, if not thousands, of DC associates at Simpson, Sidley, Morgan Lewis, etc are on the new scale and will soon get the bonuses they earned.

The firms that have raised compete for summers and laterals with the firms that haven't, even firms in their home market. The associates already at "DC firms" or "Boston firms" or what have you see their law school classmates at what they had thought were peer firms suddenly and inexplicably earning more than them, and they see no reason for their firms not to match.


Technically this is true, but there certainly is such a thing as the "DC market" and "DC firms" in the mind of top law students. Wilmer, Williams & Connolly, Covington, Gibson, A&P, Hogan Lovells, ect.--that's the DC clique, and they constitute a "market" for recruiting purposes even if big New York and California firms have DC satellite offices. These are the firms with the biggest summer classes, the home offices, the most DC-focused practices, the best government exit options, and yes, the most "prestige." Its where the kids at FIP are actually trying to go while throw backup bids at Paul Weiss and Cravath. Some satellites matter more: Skadden, Kirkland, and Cleary for example, create market pressure. Others don't; what the handful of Davis Polk associates in the DC office are making is not important. Comp has never taken center stage in DC: Williams & Connolly is still the top prize despite substantial below-market comp, and Boies DC associates have been making more than other DC firms for years, but its rarely a top choice over Covington or Wilmer.


Gibson's inclusion on this list strikes me as strange when (1) Gibson isn't a DC firm and (2) in DC, the size difference between Gibson and Skadden/Kirkland/Cleary is negligible.

Quick website searches show 218 for Gibson, 205 for Kirkland, and 181 for Cleary in the District. I couldn't narrow the count down so easily for Skadden, but I think it would be the largest of those four in DC. Gibson doesn't really belong in the cabal of the core DC firms.

In my experience, Williams & Connolly and Covington have a special "DC elite" aura among 2Ls, and Wilmer, Hogan, and Arnold & Porter are next up as they're thought of as truly "DC firms."

The advantages conferred by that seem to be pretty meaningless once in practice. I don't think HL or A&P confers better gov exit options than GDC or KE or Skadden. There's definitely more of them, though, so it looks that way. And which has more "prestige"? Maybe the Hogan name carries more sway at a happy hour with some House legislative assistant you're trying to pick up. No clue. But the very DC centric firms carry much less sway outside of DC as compared to the bigger boys. To the extent that matters (and it doesn't, really, at all), it's a consideration if you ever think you'll leave the swamp.


I went to one of the HYS schools and GDC in DC was regarded as equal to, if not slightly preferable to, A&P and Hogan. I've always understood the preftige pecking order to go W&C/Covington > GDC/Wilmer > A&P/Hogan [cutoff of the DC "clique" here]> major DC offices of non-DC firms (think like Skadden, Sidley, Akin Gump, JonesDay) > the lower native DC firms (Steptoe, Wiley Rein) and smaller satellites. This is especially true if you lean conservative as FedSoc types love them some GDC DC.


I’m the anon from above giving the original list of DC clique. This is exactly my point. At T6 schools, there’s definitely an impression of who rocks the DC market, and its not guided by national firms with DC satellites—except Gibson, which is why I included it. Although I will say, at my HYS, Covington was more comparable to Wilmer (depended on what work you wanted), and W&C/Kellogg were above Covington on their own tier.


I'm the anon you're replying to. Yeah, Kellogg being a lit boutique puts them in rarefied air for sure, along with the appellate divisions of some firms (Latham, Kirkland, etc.). But that's kind of it's own separate thing. If we're talking about what firms most shape the DC landscape, then being super-duper selective is but one component.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:45 pm

Munger matched (+summer bonus), and friend said their summers get retroactive pay bump lol.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:07 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Brown Rudnick match across all offices. No summer bonus though (rationale being that above market bonuses are paid to 2400+ hour billers).

I'm ok with it honestly. Its nice that a smaller AmLaw 200 firm pays market at all (190K for first years in Hartford and Providence is kinda crazy).


A firm that rescinded offers to almost half of its incoming associates just before they graduated has now matched. And yet still no word from most of the biggest Boston, DC, and California firms. Very interesting.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=227896


Brown Rudnick is as average as a firm gets and it matched. WTF.

Every form in the AmLaw 100 should be able to match now.


Except there are multiple midwest firms in the AmLaw 100 that operate in mostly third? tier markets that pay substantially below "market."

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:24 am

Anonymous User wrote:Munger matched (+summer bonus), and friend said their summers get retroactive pay bump lol.

Hours requirement for bonus? I don't see this on ATL.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:43 am

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NakedPowerOrgan wrote:Wall of Shame for Firms Yet to Announce:

    Fried Frank ($2.94MM PPP, 55.3% L5Y PPP growth, 2.9 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    1. Latham ($3.25MM PPP, 24.8% L5Y PPP growth, 3.0 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    2. Paul Hastings ($2.91MM PPP, 28.4% L5Y PPP growth, 2.8 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    3. Akin Gump ($2.39MM PPP, 35.5% L5Y PPP growth, 2.0 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    4. King & Spalding ($2.61MM PPP, 23.8% L5Y PPP growth, 2.1 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    Vinson & Elkins ($2.36MM PPP, 37.7% L5Y PPP growth, 2.8 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    5. Shearman & Sterling ($2.32MM PPP, 34.4% L5Y PPP growth, 2.2 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    6. Gibson Dunn ($3.24MM PPP, 13.3% L5Y PPP growth, 2.4 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    6. Dechert ($2.68MM PPP, 21.7% L5Y PPP growth, 2.7 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    8. Wilmer ($2.12MM PPP, 31.0% L5Y PPP growth, 2.2 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    9. Schulte ($2.56MM PPP, 17.7% L5Y PPP growth, 2.6 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    Cooley ($2.08MM PPP, 28.3% L5Y PPP growth, 2.4 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    Kramer Levin ($2.15MM PPP, 22.2% L5Y PPP growth, 2.8 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    10. Baker Botts ($1.84MM PPP, 26.0% L5Y PPP growth, 1.9 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    12. Alston & Bird ($1.93MM PPP, 11.0% L5Y PPP growth, 1.2 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    13. Sheppard Mullin ($1.71MM PPP, 26.0% L5Y PPP growth, 2.4 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    14. Cadwalader ($2.51MM PPP, 5.6% L5Y PPP decrease, 4.3 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    15. McDermott ($1.71MM PPP, 14.8% L5Y PPP growth, 1.4 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    16. Fragomen ($1.98MM PPP, 23.9% L5Y PPP growth, 4.2 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    16. MoFo ($1.74MM PPP, 15.3% L5Y PPP growth, 2.1 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    18. Mayer Brown ($1.58MM PPP, 27.0% L5Y PPP growth, 2.5 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    19. O'Melveny ($2.01MM PPP, 2.6% L5Y PPP decrease, 3.1 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    20. Orrick ($1.86MM PPP, 12.5% L5Y PPP growth, 3.7 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    20. Katten ($1.57MM PPP, 16.6% L5Y PPP growth, 1.7 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    22. Greenberg ($1.63MM PPP, 16.8% L5Y PPP growth, 2.2 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    23. Fish & Richardson ($1.63MM PPP, 8.9% L5Y PPP growth, 1.5 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    24. Covington ($1.54MM PPP, 18.0% L5Y PPP growth, 2.0 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    24. Fenwick ($1.51MM PPP, 23.7% L5Y PPP growth, 2.8 EP:Assoc. leverage)
    26. Jenner ($1.42MM PPP, 5.2% L5Y PPP decrease, 1.7 EP:Assoc. leverage)


Slightly expanded Wall of Shame to generally include all firms that, on paper, are better financially positioned than Morgan Lewis to match raises and bonuses.



Can you link to these numbers?

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:00 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Munger matched (+summer bonus), and friend said their summers get retroactive pay bump lol.

Hours requirement for bonus? I don't see this on ATL.



MTO match confirmed (salary + bonus). No hours requirement stated for bonus (MTO generally does not apply an hours requirement but does adjust bonuses up or down based on productivity and reviews. This bonus does not appear to depend on those factors.) Summer bump retroactive to the start of the summer.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby BlackAndOrange84 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day 6th year associate was paid 810k??!?


It’s kinda known that JD will pay well above market to scotus clerks, though I had no idea it was that much above market.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:40 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day 6th year associate was paid 810k??!?


It’s kinda known that JD will pay well above market to scotus clerks, though I had no idea it was that much above market.


This guy is not a SCOTUS clerk.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 am

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day 6th year associate was paid 810k??!?


It’s kinda known that JD will pay well above market to scotus clerks, though I had no idea it was that much above market.


This guy is not a SCOTUS clerk.


As I mentioned before, this guy’s father-in-law was the partner-in-charge of one of their offices. If they have a black box compensation scheme, this probably happens all the time for people who have relatives there.

Probably never expected to have to reveal this.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:05 am

Wilmer has to raise soon, right, given that Goodwin and Ropes and a lot of the non-Boston firms with relatively large Boston offices already have? Once Wilmer raises, the DC firms that are still holding out will likely feel compelled to match, particularly if Latham and Gibson have finally gotten around to matching by then.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:20 am

Anonymous User wrote:Wilmer has to raise soon, right, given that Goodwin and Ropes and a lot of the non-Boston firms with relatively large Boston offices already have? Once Wilmer raises, the DC firms that are still holding out will likely feel compelled to match, particularly if Latham and Gibson have finally gotten around to matching by then.


Presumably, yes. Question is do they pull a Cooley.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:45 am

Anonymous User wrote:Wilmer has to raise soon, right, given that Goodwin and Ropes and a lot of the non-Boston firms with relatively large Boston offices already have? Once Wilmer raises, the DC firms that are still holding out will likely feel compelled to match, particularly if Latham and Gibson have finally gotten around to matching by then.


I wouldn’t hold your breath. It’s hard to overstate just how cheap the DC firms are. It’s possible AP/HL/Cov stay put even when Wilmer (a richer firm) matches.

Maybe someday those three will raise, once they see the hit to their recruiting/preftige when they don’t, but right now I think the Covington et al partners are watching this latest raise lose steam and breathing a sigh of relief.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:57 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Wilmer has to raise soon, right, given that Goodwin and Ropes and a lot of the non-Boston firms with relatively large Boston offices already have? Once Wilmer raises, the DC firms that are still holding out will likely feel compelled to match, particularly if Latham and Gibson have finally gotten around to matching by then.


I wouldn’t hold your breath. It’s hard to overstate just how cheap the DC firms are. It’s possible AP/HL/Cov stay put even when Wilmer (a richer firm) matches.

Maybe someday those three will raise, once they see the hit to their recruiting/preftige when they don’t, but right now I think the Covington et al partners are watching this latest raise lose steam and breathing a sigh of relief.


What makes you say they're cheap? They all paid market within a few weeks last time.

They're going to be in for a rough OCI, a rash of laterals, and some low morale among associates who remain if they don't match after Gibson, Latham, Wilmer, Skadden, and a lot of other firms with good offices in DC match.

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Re: NYC to 200k

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Wilmer has to raise soon, right, given that Goodwin and Ropes and a lot of the non-Boston firms with relatively large Boston offices already have? Once Wilmer raises, the DC firms that are still holding out will likely feel compelled to match, particularly if Latham and Gibson have finally gotten around to matching by then.


I wouldn’t hold your breath. It’s hard to overstate just how cheap the DC firms are. It’s possible AP/HL/Cov stay put even when Wilmer (a richer firm) matches.

Maybe someday those three will raise, once they see the hit to their recruiting/preftige when they don’t, but right now I think the Covington et al partners are watching this latest raise lose steam and breathing a sigh of relief.


What makes you say they're cheap? They all paid market within a few weeks last time.

They're going to be in for a rough OCI, a rash of laterals, and some low morale among associates who remain if they don't match after Gibson, Latham, Wilmer, Skadden, and a lot of other firms with good offices in DC match.


One of these firms has still yet to match. COUGH *Wilmer* COUGH.



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