Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

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Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:21 pm

I am moving to NYC to practice at a V20 (wife took a job there). I am barred in a non-UbE state. I have not yet been practicing for 5 years, so I can’t yet waive in (I can be an NY lawyer in 2 years, been practicing for 3, so this post just applies to my work at the firm for the next two years)

Do I need to take the Ny bar? I’ll be working at a V20 in litigation. I have found a few ppl at my firm (and peer firms) that seem to be barred in different states, but not a ton. I don’t want to take the bar again....

As a licensed lawyer I’m pretty sure I can practice in all federal courts. Since I’ll be an associate (practicing under partners) is it a huge deal that I won’t be barred in nyc? Thanks, any information is helpful.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:46 pm

Why not just ask the firm how they'd view you waiting two years so you can waive in?

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:47 pm

Why not just ask the firm how they'd view you waiting two years so you can waive in?

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby bwh8813 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:02 pm

At my firm, yes. Can't speak to others.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:40 pm

Op here. Good idea iamgeorgebush thanks. I guess if the answer is an obvious “no it’s no big deal” I won’t even bother asking. I though since NYC is such a legal hub ppl barred in different states would be practicing there. ( Ps my offer letter does not say I need to be admitted in NY ( I know some do))
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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:42 pm

they do not really care at my V11

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:04 pm

At my v20 I don’t know of anyone not barred in ny. I think it would create staffing issues because any local case (which is the huge majority) you will need to pro hac in.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:16 pm

Is it a big hassle though to pro hac in? And also does it matter re cases in federal court? ( that is, being admitted in NY vs another state)

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby hlsperson1111 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:18 am

It's $200-400 per case to pro hac in, and clients sometimes get pissed off about it even though that's a drop in the bucket. Also, at least in some states (like CA), you technically can't pro hac in if you regularly practice there.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby hdivschool » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:09 am

Sounds like the unauthorized practice of law.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby lagamemnon » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:19 am

bwh8813 wrote:At my firm, yes. Can't speak to others.


Sounds like social anxiety.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:19 am

hlsperson1111 wrote:It's $200-400 per case to pro hac in, and clients sometimes get pissed off about it even though that's a drop in the bucket. Also, at least in some states (like CA), you technically can't pro hac in if you regularly practice there.


Yes but that CA fact doesn’t matter for this anon because the same would be true even if he were admitted in NY

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby RaceJudicata » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:16 am

hdivschool wrote:Sounds like the unauthorized practice of law.


I agree. I don’t think you can maintain an office in New York on a full time basis and not be barred there (or at least in process of taking bar exam).

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby RedGiant » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:02 am

RaceJudicata wrote:
hdivschool wrote:Sounds like the unauthorized practice of law.


I agree. I don’t think you can maintain an office in New York on a full time basis and not be barred there (or at least in process of taking bar exam).


Agree--at most firms I've worked at, they want you to take the bar at the next sitting, or, if the firm is slammed, at the sitting after that. Two years out would be too long to wait from a professional responsibility standpoint. You only get the asterisk "*Not licensed to practice in New York; supervised by partners of the firm licensed in New York" in your email signature for so long. So yeah, you need to take the bar.

Side note, the UBE is not hard and you don't need to know ANY NY-specific law for it, so it should just be Bar Round 2 for you. It won't be awful. All of the NY-specific law is online in the NYLC/NYLE. Also, you need to do 50 hours of pro bono, so get on that and see if any of your law school volunteer work might count.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby HarrisonBarnes » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:19 pm

You need to take the bar. Law firms care more about the bar for litigators than they do transactional attorneys because litigators need to sign pleadings, go to court and so forth.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby cron1834 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:21 pm

lagamemnon wrote:
bwh8813 wrote:At my firm, yes. Can't speak to others.


Sounds like social anxiety.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby JusticeHarlan » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:40 pm

HarrisonBarnes wrote:You need to take the bar. Law firms care more about the bar for litigators than they do transactional attorneys because litigators need to sign pleadings, go to court and so forth.

Do V20s really have 3-5th year associates sign pleadings and argue in court?

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby 1styearlateral » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:32 pm

For litigation, I think it would be pretty hard to be not barred. Can't really appear in court, can't apply for a secure pass (not required but very convenient), can't e-file, and constantly applying for pro hac vice for every case. I don't necessarily think you'd be engaging in the unauthorized practice of law if you were being supervised by NY licensed attorneys.

As much as it would suck, it's probably best to just sit for the next exam.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:42 pm

What’s the problem with Op pro hac’ing in if s/he needs to appear in court? Op says s/he passed in another state.

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:15 pm

(Double post)

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Re: Do I need to be barred in NY to work at NYC V20

Postby 1styearlateral » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:26 am

Anonymous User wrote:What’s the problem with Op pro hac’ing in if s/he needs to appear in court? Op says s/he passed in another state.

Because not everything in litigation happens with lead time or notice. You might have to cover someone in court one morning or execute a stip. No time to pro hac vice.



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