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Giving notice

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:38 pm

I'm supposed to give notice tommorow. I accepted a new job and want to tell my main partner as soon as possible. I'm scared to be honest. This will be one of the hardest things I've had to do, as I work in a small firm and have gown very close with all there. I'm supposed to start my new job in early march, so the idea is to give this firm plenty of notice. But now I'm starting to freak out and think they might be super pissed and just tell me not to even bother working for the month. Has this ever happened to anyone? Also, any stories about giving notice that didn't end poorly? It might help with the anxiety...

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Re: Giving notice

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:45 pm

Yes. It has happened to two people that I know. They also happen to be the only two folks whom I know who gave more than 2 weeks notice.

Tough situation because you want to do the right thing.

Are you working on any special project that would require training your replacement ?

P.S. Why are you supposed to give notice tomorrow ? Is 30 day notice the practice or requirement in your firm ?

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Re: Giving notice

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:29 pm

I guess I don't have to give 30 days--I'm doing it out of respect for the partner and because we're working on some hardcore stuff right now. I thought it would give him ample time to prepare how he wants to handle things, and whether he wants to hand stuff off to another associate or allow me to complete what I can in February.

As to a replacement, I'm not sure what the firm will do. They usually move a bit slowly and simply shift more work into the other associates until they find someone they are comfortable with. I doubt my replacement will be found within the month.

It just sucks. Today the partner told me he thought my writing was incredible. And this partner has always had my back. Feel like the scum of the earth, but I'm just trying to move to another city and kind of start my personal life over.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby Civilservant » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:11 am

I am sure they would feel the same obligation to you, if they were laying you off... people change jobs all the time, you are giving plenty of notice, they will surely find a replacement.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby lawhopeful100 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:59 am

This is just me guessing, but as you are moving to a different city, I can’t see anyone being too upset. I think while they may be disappointed to lose you, it’s more likely they will be happy for you. If you were dumping them to move to a bigger firm down the street i think it’s more likely you would ruffle some feathers.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:11 pm

Since your new position will be in a different city, and because you are working with a partner "on some hardcore stuff", and in light of your close relationship with other members of the law firm, I think that your gut instinct of 30 days notice is correct.

Also, since you are moving for reasons unrelated to work (to start your personal life over), there is a good chance that you might want to return after you heal.

Any time a partner states that your writing is incredible, suggests that you may be welcomed back.

Do you need to move & change jobs, or do you need a vacation ?

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Re: Giving notice

Postby Natasha Coats » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:19 pm

If you absolutely need the extra month's money, just give two weeks.

If you don't, use your judgement on whether your boss would actually fire you early. We can't know that nearly as well as you can.

But it happens.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby shock259 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:02 pm

I was pleasantly surprised how cordial people were when I lateraled. It was really hard to tell my immediate supervisors (all of whom had gone out of their way to mentor me). But all seemed to understand, and there were no hard feelings. They threw me a little party and I still see them all from time to time, although by this point, most of them have left he firm as well. Turnover in this profession is insane..

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Re: Giving notice

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:11 pm

@shock259: Were the firms in different jurisdictions (states) ?

Agree that it seems as though firms use up associates energy for a few years, then encourage them to leave before bringing in a new crop of energized recent law graduates. But, this gives many big law hires the chance to pay back loans & get some decent real world training.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby shock259 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:25 am

Yep - they were in different states. And the state I was moving to is a more "desirable" one, so people didn't really question the move. Which helped, I think.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby AVBucks4239 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:39 am

shock259 wrote:I was pleasantly surprised how cordial people were when I lateraled. It was really hard to tell my immediate supervisors (all of whom had gone out of their way to mentor me). But all seemed to understand, and there were no hard feelings. They threw me a little party and I still see them all from time to time, although by this point, most of them have left he firm as well. Turnover in this profession is insane..


Had a similar experience, albeit one partner lit into me pretty good (I really messed up his retirement schedule by leaving). All you have in this business is your name and reputation, and you should preserve and improve any and all bridges you can.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:56 am

I just gave notice for my second job and I remember how nervous I was giving notice for my first job, so I can relate.

The first thing I'd suggest is evaluating if you really want to leave. Starting over in a new city is incredibly tough and lonely (I've done it). I hope you have more personal friends in the new city rather than less or I worry you will feel isolated. You also seem a bit depressed in general judging by your post, so it may be worth working yourself up to a better state of mind before leaving. Only you know if you are ready to leave, but making decisions when you are really sad and depressed can turn out bad.

Assuming you are sure on your decision, I honestly find your feelings totally bizarre and at odds with the reality of at will employment. You are an at will employee, your firm made no commitment to you and you made no commitment to your firm. You both can quit the relationship at any time. Most firms tell people to surrender their stuff immediately when a person is laid off, and I've personally seen colleagues be escorted out the door the moment they became unprofitable. If you were not working out for your firm and not making them money, rest assured that you would be laid off immediately.

This feeling of loyalty to your firm, when in reality there is absolutely no loyalty from the other end is bizarre. Your firm would have no concerns with axing you if it was in their best interests. The feeling of self-importance regarding your work is also extremely odd. Your firm will hire a headhunter and have some new person to bill hours immediately. In a couple months, nobody at the firm will even think about you any more.

You are an at will employee, you were only at your employer for so long as it benefited them, and you have literally nothing to feel bad about. Loyalty is a two way street, and there is no loyalty on the employer end in the legal industry. Congrats on the new start!

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Re: Giving notice

Postby a male human » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:49 pm

Let us know how it goes.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby Toni V » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:52 am

I know of a mid-sized firm that actually throws a nice “going away party” (cake, cookies, etc.) when someone leaves…especially if it's out of town.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:05 am

This is OP. I gave notice today; it took awhile to muster the courage, and things were complicated by partners being out of town this week and last.

It went great. I mean, my supervising partner was as nice about it you can get. Expressed appreciation for my time there and hinted I might be welcome back if things don't work out at my new job--although, I would never expect that of anyone. He even said now is the time to make this kind of move, while I'm still young (ish, I'm 29). I'm moving from my hometown (think Jackson, Shreveport, Little Rock) to a truly spectacular city (think Austin New Orleans). I'm excited and incredibly greatful for the mentorship I've received from my firm. I just need to do this while I still can; I don't have a wife or kids to think about, and who knows if that will be true in five years.

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Re: Giving notice

Postby a male human » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 am

Hey, that's great! I'm glad things worked out for you.




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