Blind copied on emails - why tho

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Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 pm

NYC biglaw first-year corporate associate here. I've been staffed on a deal since I started where I'm not announced on calls or copied on emails.

With respect to the other side, I'm guessing this has to do with optics, because I guess you don't want to show them that you have an army of associates on a matter.

But why am I blind copied on emails to the client? I don't think it can be a cost sensitivity thing because I've seen myself show up on the bill. It's actually really inconvenient, because it's near impossible to keep updating checklists and other status documents without reading all the emails (the senior tries to forward everything to me but she inevitably forgets to do it for some emails).

I'm really not complaining about visibility and I really don't care whether the client knows who I am. But from a pure workflow efficiency standpoint, the system just ins't working. Should I bring it up, or just deal with it? Any recommendations on phrasing?

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby tyroneslothrop1 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:59 pm

I probably would not bring it up. The senior likely has a good reason, or believes she has a good reason, which in this context is essentially the same, for not copying you on emails. She may view you asking to be included on emails as you simply being an uppity first year.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby SmokeytheBear » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:37 pm

It's not so much optics with the other side as optics with the client. While you are on the bill, they dont want to see you on the bill that much or on calls/emails that much.

This is the plight of a junior. Just do your best to keep up and stay on your toes.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby dixiecupdrinking » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:22 pm

It's a terrible practice for several reasons but it is due to perceived cost consciousness.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Mullens » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:41 pm

I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby LaLiLuLeLo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:43 pm

Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


An email macro? Pretty smart. OP, as a junior I’ve seen clients straight up say “too many attorneys on this call invite”, they know we don’t *really* need to be on everything and billing.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby lolwat » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:46 pm

SmokeytheBear wrote:It's not so much optics with the other side as optics with the client. While you are on the bill, they dont want to see you on the bill that much or on calls/emails that much.

This is the plight of a junior. Just do your best to keep up and stay on your toes.


Yeah. If anything, I'd probably be appreciative of the people who at least take the effort to BCC you on e-mails or make sure you're on the calls. I get this in lit a lot... and I often end up getting asked to do stuff based on e-mails I was never copied on, and then the partners/seniors have to comb through their e-mails to find and send me the relevant details... but it looks better for the client on a day to day basis, I suppose.

We used to have a [PROJECT TEAM] e-mail for every case (so all that shows up is like "From: lolwat To: TLS Team"), but that got scrapped because no one maintained them.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby SmokeytheBear » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:58 pm

Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Desert Fox » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:00 pm

SmokeytheBear wrote:
Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.


its hell on your inbox since you get 4X as many CC's when you don't need to.
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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby SmokeytheBear » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:01 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
SmokeytheBear wrote:
Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.


its hell on your inbox since you get 4X as many CC's when you don't need to.


But hitting delete is so gratifying.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby albanach » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:04 pm

Is there a specific reason firms aren't sending matter related emails to the document management system?

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby RaceJudicata » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:00 am

albanach wrote:Is there a specific reason firms aren't sending matter related emails to the document management system?


Yeah, this is my fail safe. Lit junior, so likely different for me; but I frequently look to the doc system if someone mentions an email I wasn’t on.

On larger cases we use the listserv method discussed above.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Pokemon » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:13 am

Desert Fox wrote:
SmokeytheBear wrote:
Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.


its hell on your inbox since you get 4X as many CC's when you don't need to.


Nah, you automatically folder that shit so it immediately goes to the right place. Outlook rules.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Pokemon » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:14 am

albanach wrote:Is there a specific reason firms aren't sending matter related emails to the document management system?


I never do that. Like first it is time consuming and second I do not want someone to read my emails. I know when o leave the firm they just dump it there, but whatevsZ

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Traynor Brah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:57 am

Desert Fox wrote:
SmokeytheBear wrote:
Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.


its hell on your inbox since you get 4X as many CC's when you don't need to.

For such groups I make a rule in outlook to auto mark as read and move a copy to a folder for said matter, unless it's also sent directly to me or mentions my name, in which case it's just a normal email.

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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Desert Fox » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:20 am

Traynor Brah wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
SmokeytheBear wrote:
Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.


its hell on your inbox since you get 4X as many CC's when you don't need to.

For such groups I make a rule in outlook to auto mark as read and move a copy to a folder for said matter, unless it's also sent directly to me or mentions my name, in which case it's just a normal email.


Then why have the group email in the first place? If someone uses it expecting you'll read the relevant email and you don't, isn't that a potentially big issue?
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Re: Blind copied on emails - why tho

Postby Traynor Brah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:05 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Traynor Brah wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
SmokeytheBear wrote:
Mullens wrote:I worked on a deal across from S&C and thought they had a clever way of handling this. They had a Project [TLS] email that was cc’d on everything and presumably was accessible to everyone on the team. Leads to fewer addresses on emails and no one misses anything.


My firm and several of the other NY firms we work across or with have moved to this model. I like it.


its hell on your inbox since you get 4X as many CC's when you don't need to.

For such groups I make a rule in outlook to auto mark as read and move a copy to a folder for said matter, unless it's also sent directly to me or mentions my name, in which case it's just a normal email.


Then why have the group email in the first place? If someone uses it expecting you'll read the relevant email and you don't, isn't that a potentially big issue?

nah it's to combat "hell on your inbox" when you're on a group list on a huge matter. Everything still is in your inbox and you can quickly glance/review before deleting (plus you have the copies of everything saved in order for reference), but only things that are obviously directed to you will get a push notification/appear unread.



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