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Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:18 pm

This is probably overly simplistic, and I recognize this question depends on grades, school, and market, but how many callbacks should someone realistically try to plan in the aftermath of mass mailing and OCI? I'm trying to plan a trip to each market I'm applying for to sequence everything, but there is a certain point of diminishing returns when I'm planning for planning's sake, and I was just curious how others approached the problem?

For brief reference, ~median at a T13 with 6 CBs across a few markets so far, but the number is steadily growing.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby sparkytrainer » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:21 pm

I know people who went 0 offers from 10 callbacks and myself I went 1 for 12. Don't cancel until you have an offer in hand.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:27 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:I know people who went 0 offers from 10 callbacks and myself I went 1 for 12. Don't cancel until you have an offer in hand.


OP, thanks. I'm not anywhere near rejecting any interview yet, but when I realized my next two weeks are seemingly getting booked in different markets pretty quickly, I just wondered when I should respectfully decline interviews at places that interest me less than those that interest me more.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby sparkytrainer » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:31 pm

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sparkytrainer wrote:I know people who went 0 offers from 10 callbacks and myself I went 1 for 12. Don't cancel until you have an offer in hand.


OP, thanks. I'm not anywhere near rejecting any interview yet, but when I realized my next two weeks are seemingly getting booked in different markets pretty quickly, I just wondered when I should respectfully decline interviews at places that interest me less than those that interest me more.


You can cancel when you have an offer you'd take more than that interview. Until an offer in hand, you do not cancel anything. Callbacks are nowhere even close to a guaranteed offer.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:36 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:
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sparkytrainer wrote:I know people who went 0 offers from 10 callbacks and myself I went 1 for 12. Don't cancel until you have an offer in hand.


OP, thanks. I'm not anywhere near rejecting any interview yet, but when I realized my next two weeks are seemingly getting booked in different markets pretty quickly, I just wondered when I should respectfully decline interviews at places that interest me less than those that interest me more.


You can cancel when you have an offer you'd take more than that interview. Until an offer in hand, you do not cancel anything. Callbacks are nowhere even close to a guaranteed offer.


Thanks sparky, I needed to hear that. I'll keep pushing forward.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby sparkytrainer » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:38 pm

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sparkytrainer wrote:
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sparkytrainer wrote:I know people who went 0 offers from 10 callbacks and myself I went 1 for 12. Don't cancel until you have an offer in hand.


OP, thanks. I'm not anywhere near rejecting any interview yet, but when I realized my next two weeks are seemingly getting booked in different markets pretty quickly, I just wondered when I should respectfully decline interviews at places that interest me less than those that interest me more.


You can cancel when you have an offer you'd take more than that interview. Until an offer in hand, you do not cancel anything. Callbacks are nowhere even close to a guaranteed offer.


Thanks sparky, I needed to hear that. I'll keep pushing forward.


Good. Get an offer, then reassess. Dont be that person that strikes out because of a boneheaded decision to cancel interviews before you get an offer. Best of luck, I'll be rooting for you!

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:06 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:
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sparkytrainer wrote:I know people who went 0 offers from 10 callbacks and myself I went 1 for 12. Don't cancel until you have an offer in hand.


OP, thanks. I'm not anywhere near rejecting any interview yet, but when I realized my next two weeks are seemingly getting booked in different markets pretty quickly, I just wondered when I should respectfully decline interviews at places that interest me less than those that interest me more.


You can cancel when you have an offer you'd take more than that interview. Until an offer in hand, you do not cancel anything. Callbacks are nowhere even close to a guaranteed offer.


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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:24 pm

Best way to go about rejecting callbacks if one already has an offer?

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:29 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Best way to go about rejecting callbacks if one already has an offer?


I'm the OP, but it's pretty simple. Inform the recruiting contact you've had with something similar to the following:

"Dear [recruiting contact],

Thank you for considering me for a position at [insert firm]. I have accepted a position at [insert other firm], which means I will not be available for the summer of 2018. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Thank you for your consideration.

Regards,

[law student or something to that effect]"

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:30 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Best way to go about rejecting callbacks if one already has an offer?


I'm the OP, but it's pretty simple. Inform the recruiting contact you've had with something similar to the following:

"Dear [recruiting contact],

Thank you for considering me for a position at [insert firm]. I have accepted a position at [insert other firm], which means I will not be available for the summer of 2018. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Thank you for your consideration.

Regards,

[law student or something to that effect]"

just curious, why list the other firm? do they typically follow up w/ an email asking for firm name if u don't list it/

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Best way to go about rejecting callbacks if one already has an offer?


I'm the OP, but it's pretty simple. Inform the recruiting contact you've had with something similar to the following:

"Dear [recruiting contact],

Thank you for considering me for a position at [insert firm]. I have accepted a position at [insert other firm], which means I will not be available for the summer of 2018. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Thank you for your consideration.

Regards,

[law student or something to that effect]"

just curious, why list the other firm? do they typically follow up w/ an email asking for firm name if u don't list it/


Strictly speaking, you don't have to list the other firm IMO. You can keep it generic and you'll probably never get a response when you reject an offer. I just meant you want to be transparent and control the process by which you accept an offer for a firm. And it's all about respectability, so the method of communication will drive your correspondence.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby radio1nowhere » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:36 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:just curious, why list the other firm? do they typically follow up w/ an email asking for firm name if u don't list it/
Strictly speaking, you don't have to list the other firm IMO. You can keep it generic and you'll probably never get a response when you reject an offer. I just meant you want to be transparent and control the process by which you accept an offer for a firm. And it's all about respectability, so the method of communication will drive your correspondence.


I did have a few firms follow up to ask where I ended up going, so it might be simpler to just list it on the front end.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:50 pm

radio1nowhere wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:just curious, why list the other firm? do they typically follow up w/ an email asking for firm name if u don't list it/
Strictly speaking, you don't have to list the other firm IMO. You can keep it generic and you'll probably never get a response when you reject an offer. I just meant you want to be transparent and control the process by which you accept an offer for a firm. And it's all about respectability, so the method of communication will drive your correspondence.


I did have a few firms follow up to ask where I ended up going, so it might be simpler to just list it on the front end.


It's probably more critical in secondary markets, where recruiters are pretty interconnected, but again, it varies.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby radio1nowhere » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:08 am

Anonymous User wrote:
radio1nowhere wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:just curious, why list the other firm? do they typically follow up w/ an email asking for firm name if u don't list it/
Strictly speaking, you don't have to list the other firm IMO. You can keep it generic and you'll probably never get a response when you reject an offer. I just meant you want to be transparent and control the process by which you accept an offer for a firm. And it's all about respectability, so the method of communication will drive your correspondence.

I did have a few firms follow up to ask where I ended up going, so it might be simpler to just list it on the front end.

It's probably more critical in secondary markets, where recruiters are pretty interconnected, but again, it varies.


Well, the firms that asked me were a V10 and V40 in NYC. But this is kinda a non-issue; people should feel free to do whatever they're comfortable with — I only recommend including the firm name to avoid the possibility of having to send more emails to firms you've already rejected. The only real rule of rejection emails is to be polite!

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Best way to go about rejecting callbacks if one already has an offer?


I'm the OP, but it's pretty simple. Inform the recruiting contact you've had with something similar to the following:

"Dear [recruiting contact],

Thank you for considering me for a position at [insert firm]. I have accepted a position at [insert other firm], which means I will not be available for the summer of 2018. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Thank you for your consideration.

Regards,

[law student or something to that effect]"

just curious, why list the other firm? do they typically follow up w/ an email asking for firm name if u don't list it/


I had one friend reject a CB because of another offer and the firm did ask where they had accepted.

When I rejected a CB after accepting an offer, I named the firm I had accepted because it was in a major market vs the CB being in secondary market. I also directly emailed a hiring partner at the CB firm who had gone out of his way to take me to coffee, thanked him for his time, and explained my decision (very briefly! Like one sentence!) This was because the hiring partner had started in the same market I accepted my offer for, and we had had a long discussion about the benefits/detriments of working in a major market vs a secondary market and he had been incredibly helpful and kind. YMMV. I plan on ending up back in the secondary market and really enjoyed the firm I rejected so I wanted to make sure I kept all options open.

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Re: Rejecting Callbacks?

Postby LaLiLuLeLo » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:12 am

Firms ask so they can track data on which firms are direct competitors for the same candidates.



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