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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:35 pm

I'm at the Charlotte office and it's generally pretty chill here. NYC big law per se sucks anyway. Come to Charlotte.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:45 pm

I am a junior that recently left CWT in NYC, so I thought I would throw my hat in the ring. I can't speak too much to the other offices; I have had nothing but good experiences (albeit limited) with Charlotte and DC folks. I have heard horror stories from friends about a couple people in Charlotte, but that is probably true of every office of every big law firm, right?

Speaking to my friends at other firms in NYC I do think CWT CAN be worse than other places. But it really depends on what group you work in. Capital markets and corporate can be very tough groups from everything I have gathered. And I don't mean hours (CWT hours are probably better than V20 firms). The environment in these groups is what makes them tough. On the other hand, real estate and parts of financial services are supposed to be really great groups to work in. Additionally, health care and IP are supposed to be pretty good groups to be in, but they are very small and maybe have one junior at a time. It certainly is the case that if you go to CWT to do capital markets or corporate you are likely to have a difficult experience.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:34 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Does it apply to all practice groups? Is it partner dependent and it just so happens there are a bunch of bad eggs?

In 2016 they named 10 new partners, up from 5 in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. This seems like a shift to expand the relatively small partnership, does it mean anything to you having had worked there?


OP here. Yes, it applies to most practice groups, specifically Cap Markets, Corporate and Financial Services. For the Corporate associates, the QOL has gotten even worse with the recent hiring of a young hot shot partner who basically runs the entire department and Cap Markets has always been known to be awful.

I have no idea if the partners are equity or non-equity, but it does not signal "growth" of any kind. All signs point to the exact opposite. For a firm like CWT to name more partners that hurts associates if things continue to swing down.


Things aren't really swinging down...if anything the firm is understaffed right now.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:49 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Does it apply to all practice groups? Is it partner dependent and it just so happens there are a bunch of bad eggs?

In 2016 they named 10 new partners, up from 5 in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. This seems like a shift to expand the relatively small partnership, does it mean anything to you having had worked there?


OP here. Yes, it applies to most practice groups, specifically Cap Markets, Corporate and Financial Services. For the Corporate associates, the QOL has gotten even worse with the recent hiring of a young hot shot partner who basically runs the entire department and Cap Markets has always been known to be awful.

I have no idea if the partners are equity or non-equity, but it does not signal "growth" of any kind. All signs point to the exact opposite. For a firm like CWT to name more partners that hurts associates if things continue to swing down.


Things aren't really swinging down...if anything the firm is understaffed right now.


Lol. The firm has taken tons of losses in almost every department other than cap markets. The firm financials continue to lag every year. It's sole focus at this point in NYC is cap markets. It's putting all its eggs in this basket. Things have been swinging down for the firm generally, and god forbid if the economy worsens than the firm is in very deep shit.
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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am a junior that recently left CWT in NYC, so I thought I would throw my hat in the ring. I can't speak too much to the other offices; I have had nothing but good experiences (albeit limited) with Charlotte and DC folks. I have heard horror stories from friends about a couple people in Charlotte, but that is probably true of every office of every big law firm, right?

Speaking to my friends at other firms in NYC I do think CWT CAN be worse than other places. But it really depends on what group you work in. Capital markets and corporate can be very tough groups from everything I have gathered. And I don't mean hours (CWT hours are probably better than V20 firms). The environment in these groups is what makes them tough. On the other hand, real estate and parts of financial services are supposed to be really great groups to work in. Additionally, health care and IP are supposed to be pretty good groups to be in, but they are very small and maybe have one junior at a time. It certainly is the case that if you go to CWT to do capital markets or corporate you are likely to have a difficult experience.


These posts are important but like you said, they take very few juniors and this will not be the outcome for the vast majority of new associates. Especially as the firm continues to hunker down on capital markets.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Apparently at least one no-offer in NYC summer class for no articulated reason (told from someone who is in that office).


I was around for that summer's no-offer, and it was for very good reason. I'm not giving details or any identifiable information, but it's a wonder it didn't make ATL.

I was the second or third defender in this thread, who said the alarmism lacked nuance, and my group has been very busy this year. Maybe it's just because I'm one of the lucky juniors in a non-cap-markets group, but to say the firm is only cap markets is less true now than, say, year ago. Our group is hiring, my friends in some other small groups are swamped. I talked about the financials in my last post — yes the firm is smaller, but with some notable exceptions (e.g. antitrust departures) it's fairly strategically smaller, not just spiraling down. Admittedly, things at Cad are not just rocking and rolling like some firms, but they're not awful either, most of my friends are fairly happy.

Like I said before, I think everyone's perception is based on a fairly small sample size, and their personal experience with a few partners/lawyers. The self-selected people who start TLS threads probably skew to the end of the bell curve of bad experiences. That doesn't mean it's irrelevant for a law student evaluating firms, but it means the more accurate interpretation might be "here's a person who had a bad experience," not "everyone hates their life there, it's the worst place to work."

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:53 pm

Had an awful CB there a few years back. Everyone looked miserable. I have one close friend from LS there and he hated it. Luckily he got out of there. My LS career services told me to avoid this place at all costs. FYI

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:45 pm

I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby nealric » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:49 am

Kali the Annihilator wrote:Cad had the same rep when I summered in 2012. Good to see they are consistent.


They had this reputation when I started looking at firms in 2007.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

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Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.


You reap what you sow. If you treat your associates like shit for so long you’re not going to be able to fill a 20 person summer class where you are basically guaranteed a job that pays you $180,000. Let that sink in as a testament to what a miserable place CWT is.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

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Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.


Sup Cad recruiting?

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.


Sup Cad recruiting?


lol I wish. If I was I'd hire myself and be done with this whole process

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.


Sup Cad recruiting?


lol I wish. If I was I'd hire myself and be done with this whole process


flame. no one wants to work at Cadwalader.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.


Sup Cad recruiting?


lol I wish. If I was I'd hire myself and be done with this whole process


flame. no one wants to work at Cadwalader.

I would b/c it would mean I would have 2L biglaw summer employment

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.


Sup Cad recruiting?


lol I wish. If I was I'd hire myself and be done with this whole process


flame. no one wants to work at Cadwalader.

I would b/c it would mean I would have 2L biglaw summer employment


Sorry to hear. Are you at a t14 where you can do 3L OCI?

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have heard from a friend who works in the NYC office that they are having trouble filling up their summer class. for those who struck out at OCI or don't have an SA, might not hurt to send your resume there.

Just recently got an email saying, in fact, the opposite. They clearly said they completed hiring for their 2L 2018 Summer Associate Program, and would not be doing any more interviews.


Sup Cad recruiting?


lol I wish. If I was I'd hire myself and be done with this whole process


flame. no one wants to work at Cadwalader.

I would b/c it would mean I would have 2L biglaw summer employment


Sorry to hear. Are you at a t14 where you can do 3L OCI?


Yeah, but of course I'm gonna try and get something before then. Still mass mailing, hoping something will bite.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:17 pm

I know someone who summered at Cad NYC and said is almost all practices seemed dead. He didn't work during the summer.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I know someone who summered at Cad NYC and said is almost all practices seemed dead. He didn't work during the summer.


I summered there and had the exact opposite experience. Never had an issue getting work. Seemed like there weren't enough summers to go around. Also didn't really get a sense of any bad atmosphere, although I didn't do much cap markets work which is the notorious group.

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Re: Be very wary of Cadwalader (NYC)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I know someone who summered at Cad NYC and said is almost all practices seemed dead. He didn't work during the summer.


I summered there and had the exact opposite experience. Never had an issue getting work. Seemed like there weren't enough summers to go around. Also didn't really get a sense of any bad atmosphere, although I didn't do much cap markets work which is the notorious group.


Summers definitely are a good barometer of firm health and morale.



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