On the flip side, I interviewed at HLS with 3 DS / 4 H and never heard from them. Based on other interviews, I don't have reason to believe I'm a poor interviewer. I think Boies may just scrutinize firm-specific interest closely; I doubt I gave a good answer there.Anonymous User wrote:Counterpoint: I transferred from WUSTL to HYS and was basically ignored during by screener for NYC Boies. Was the only interview I had where I felt that I was immediately eliminated from contention before I even walked in the room.Anonymous User wrote:There's a summer in a Cali Boies office who transferred from WUSTL -> T14. He wasn't top 10% I don't think, and WUSTL isn't even a T14.
Based on the hours I've heard about for the NY office - sounds like I dodged a bullet.
Boies Schiller Forum
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting
Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.
Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
Anonymous Posting
Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.
Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
-
- Posts: 428544
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am
Re: Boies Schiller
-
- Posts: 428544
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am
Re: Boies Schiller
This is feeder clerk level so yeah It's definitely not your grades that weren't enough lmao. You probably didn't convince them you'd take them over Susman/Keker/Kellogg/MTO/W&C/etc.Anonymous User wrote:On the flip side, I interviewed at HLS with 3 DS / 4 H and never heard from them. Based on other interviews, I don't have reason to believe I'm a poor interviewer. I think Boies may just scrutinize firm-specific interest closely; I doubt I gave a good answer there.Anonymous User wrote:Counterpoint: I transferred from WUSTL to HYS and was basically ignored during by screener for NYC Boies. Was the only interview I had where I felt that I was immediately eliminated from contention before I even walked in the room.Anonymous User wrote:There's a summer in a Cali Boies office who transferred from WUSTL -> T14. He wasn't top 10% I don't think, and WUSTL isn't even a T14.
Based on the hours I've heard about for the NY office - sounds like I dodged a bullet.
-
- Posts: 428544
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am
Re: Boies Schiller
Yeah, this is what I'm afraid of (OP here). My other firm options are W&C and Covington, which aren't exactly known for work-life balance, but still aren't making people bill 3,000 hours. :/Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:I know someone who worked there. He said that 3,000 hours a year was very normal at Boies. At our big law firm (Nyc) 3,000 hours is being one of the top 5-10 billers in a 200 attorney office.
However, I've heard that most associates are closer to 2300 in D.C., and don't really get any non-billable work, so they can bill more efficiently. I'm curious whether this is true...? My impression of the D.C. office was that a lot of people had kids and were able to work from home, so face time doesn't seem to be a problem.
- cavalier1138
- Posts: 8007
- Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:01 pm
Re: Boies Schiller
I know W&C is considered a bit of a sweatshop, but I've always heard decent things about Covington's work/life balance (to the extent that any biglaw firm really has that). Is that a misconception?Anonymous User wrote:Yeah, this is what I'm afraid of (OP here). My other firm options are W&C and Covington, which aren't exactly known for work-life balance, but still aren't making people bill 3,000 hours. :/
-
- Posts: 428544
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am
Re: Boies Schiller
Sorry, I just meant the big law hours in general aren't exactly "lifestyle," but they're still not 2500 hours per year.cavalier1138 wrote:I know W&C is considered a bit of a sweatshop, but I've always heard decent things about Covington's work/life balance (to the extent that any biglaw firm really has that). Is that a misconception?Anonymous User wrote:Yeah, this is what I'm afraid of (OP here). My other firm options are W&C and Covington, which aren't exactly known for work-life balance, but still aren't making people bill 3,000 hours. :/
I guess my main issue is - I liked Covington, I loved the people, and I feel like it's a great fit for me, but I feel like it's crazy to turn down Boies Schiller since I want to do lit. I'm just wondering how true the rumors are about Boies's hours (for the D.C. office), and if it's crazy to pick lifestyle over prestige/opportunity in this situation.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
- Wellsfargowagon
- Posts: 273
- Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:12 pm
Re: Boies Schiller
Current BSF DC associate here. That's basically right--2300 hours is well within the normal range. Pushing above that typically takes a lengthy trial or an expedited case, on top of an already busy year. Many of the midlevels and seniors (including me) in the DC office have young kids and can stick to a family routine more often than not. The ability to work from home without judgment really helps with that; it's normal to put in a full day at the office, spend time with your family at home, and then as necessary get back online after putting the kids to bed.Anonymous User wrote:However, I've heard that most associates are closer to 2300 in D.C., and don't really get any non-billable work, so they can bill more efficiently. I'm curious whether this is true...? My impression of the D.C. office was that a lot of people had kids and were able to work from home, so face time doesn't seem to be a problem.
Something else to consider is that your hours may vary a lot more between years at a given firm, than they will between different firms. That's to say, because hours depend on so many things beyond your control and that are more specific to the cases and partners than the firm, your hours in your year may well be lower at BSF than at another firm. The difference is that if your hours in a given year end up especially high, at BSF you're compensated accordingly.
-
- Posts: 428544
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am
Re: Boies Schiller
Hi! Would you mind if I PM you?Wellsfargowagon wrote:Current BSF DC associate here. That's basically right--2300 hours is well within the normal range. Pushing above that typically takes a lengthy trial or an expedited case, on top of an already busy year. Many of the midlevels and seniors (including me) in the DC office have young kids and can stick to a family routine more often than not. The ability to work from home without judgment really helps with that; it's normal to put in a full day at the office, spend time with your family at home, and then as necessary get back online after putting the kids to bed.Anonymous User wrote:However, I've heard that most associates are closer to 2300 in D.C., and don't really get any non-billable work, so they can bill more efficiently. I'm curious whether this is true...? My impression of the D.C. office was that a lot of people had kids and were able to work from home, so face time doesn't seem to be a problem.
Something else to consider is that your hours may vary a lot more between years at a given firm, than they will between different firms. That's to say, because hours depend on so many things beyond your control and that are more specific to the cases and partners than the firm, your hours in your year may well be lower at BSF than at another firm. The difference is that if your hours in a given year end up especially high, at BSF you're compensated accordingly.
-
- Posts: 428544
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am
Re: Boies Schiller
Would Boies hire to their NY office off a federal clerkship (SDNY/2nd Cir), or do they stick to their summers?
- Wellsfargowagon
- Posts: 273
- Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:12 pm
Re: Boies Schiller
Of course not! Ask away.Anonymous User wrote:Hi! Would you mind if I PM you?