KM2016 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:SmokeytheBear wrote:KM2016 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:KM2016 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Curious about how Pillsbury stacks up among LA firms...any knowledge about their general rep and what practice groups they're known for?
Reputation = Meh. They're kind of second tier in LA. Can't speak to other markets.
what's top tier/mid tier/low tier for transactional?
General corporate looks something like: Latham/Gibson/Skadden/Simpson/Kirkland ---> Sidley/Milbank/Winston/OMM/Proskauer ---> PH/Pillsbury/Perkins Coie/Katten
If you're looking at more specialized groups, it varies. For instance, Milbank is head and shoulders above everyone else for project finance and restructuring, Sidley does great real estate, OMM, Latham and Gibson do a lot of work in entertainment, Winston (I think) has a good tax group, Sheppard does great labor employment, etc.
Generally agree. Though Cooley, Gunderson, and Orrick should also be on there somewhere between first and second. MTO is def tier one.
So you believe Cooley, Gunderson, and Orrick are better than Sidley/Milbank/Winston/OMM/Proskauer?
No way Orrick is in the top tier unless you're talking strictly IP. For general corporate I'd argue they're more in line with PH/Pillsbury/Perkins/Katten. Gunderson is great, I was just thinking in terms of biglaw and not boutiques. Cooley is pretty average for general corporate, IMO. I'd group them with Sidley/Milbank etc.
No argument re MTO. Goes without saying they are elite.
Agreed that Gunderson isn't big law. But since it is a MASSIVE player in eg vc (top of the league tables every quarter with no competition anywhere near it) I think it has to be discussed in this conversation, in the same way you have to discuss Keker when discussing litigation in CA even though it's not "big law."
EDIT: KM2016, based on your posts it looks like you're a first year associate? So your knowledge comes from what others have said and your experience on the job market, rather than from working with/against these firms or lateraling? Not trying to impugn wholly your knowledge, but is that the case?