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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby GoneSouth » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:13 am

Anonymous User wrote:Hello,

Looking to get some advice on a bid list.
3.55-3.59 GPA, secondary journal, non-URM, some relevant work experience. Looking at NY and London corporate, and have strong ties to London.
Any help would be massively appreciated!

All are NY unless otherwise stated.

1 Debevoise and Plimpton (3)
2 Baker & McKenzie (3)
3 Allen & Overy (6)
4 White & Case (5)
5 DLA Piper (7)
6 Paul Weiss (9)
7 Skadden (10)
8 Cleary Gottleib (10)
9 Davis Polk (11)
10 Latham & Watkins (13)
11 K&L Gates (16)
12 Linklaters (17)
13 Cravath, Swaine & Moore (19)
14 Hogan Lovells (24)
15 Paul Hastings (19)
16 Shearman & Sterling (20)
17 Simpson Thatcher (22)
18 Kirkland & Ellis (28)
19 Clifford Chance London (24)
20 Mayer Brown (26)
21 Herbert Smith Freehills London (26)
22 Skadden London (28)
23 Clifford Chance (27)
24 Freshfields (28)
25 Arnold & Porter (26)
26 Norton Rose Fulbright N/A
27 Sidley Austin London N/A
28 Kirkland & Ellis London N/A
29 Paul Weiss London N/A
30 Herbert Smith Freehills N/A


Have you looked to see whether those firms let you bid multiple offices? I'm guessing they don't.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:55 am

jbagelboy wrote:
rustyburger2 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Hoping to get some help cutting down this bid list.

3.0x GPA, so I am obviously worried about striking out. I'm Asian American (not sure if URM for biglaw purposes?) and have some irrelevant WE. Everything is NYC.


Bro, this bid list is terrifying to look at. Like, this bid list could totally screw you. It's WAY too tight. Why is Ropes and Gray bid at 7 when the FFB last year is 6? Unless the firm now has more interview slots than it did last year, a firm will never go down on the FFB list.

You need at least 3 spaces between the FFB and your bid. If I were you, I'd aim for 4 or 5 spaces. Your number one priority should be getting as many interviews as possible. You should go through the data and see what firms have the highest screener to callback ratios, and callback to offer ratios. Use that as a way to narrow down your list.


I would start but cutting Weil and Ropes. That would give your FFB some breathing room, and those firms are unlikely to offer a CB to someone with your grades regardless (no offense).



Rustyburger and jbagel, thanks for the feedback! I agree it's definitely too tight and I needed help picking the right firms to remove. I'll start with Weil and Ropes. Should I cut Sidley as well? They gave 63% of their offers last year to non-stone or transfer students, but they are also ranked so high on Vault that I imagine most of those offers were to median and above grades (as mentioned, I'm 3.0x). That would also move up my entire list.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby stoopkid13 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:34 am

Anonymous User wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
rustyburger2 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Hoping to get some help cutting down this bid list.

3.0x GPA, so I am obviously worried about striking out. I'm Asian American (not sure if URM for biglaw purposes?) and have some irrelevant WE. Everything is NYC.


Bro, this bid list is terrifying to look at. Like, this bid list could totally screw you. It's WAY too tight. Why is Ropes and Gray bid at 7 when the FFB last year is 6? Unless the firm now has more interview slots than it did last year, a firm will never go down on the FFB list.

You need at least 3 spaces between the FFB and your bid. If I were you, I'd aim for 4 or 5 spaces. Your number one priority should be getting as many interviews as possible. You should go through the data and see what firms have the highest screener to callback ratios, and callback to offer ratios. Use that as a way to narrow down your list.


I would start but cutting Weil and Ropes. That would give your FFB some breathing room, and those firms are unlikely to offer a CB to someone with your grades regardless (no offense).



Rustyburger and jbagel, thanks for the feedback! I agree it's definitely too tight and I needed help picking the right firms to remove. I'll start with Weil and Ropes. Should I cut Sidley as well? They gave 63% of their offers last year to non-stone or transfer students, but they are also ranked so high on Vault that I imagine most of those offers were to median and above grades (as mentioned, I'm 3.0x). That would also move up my entire list.


Sidley's more realistic than Weil or Ropes. If you have a good reason for keeping the firm, I'd consider it a reach and leave it. I'd also cut Jones Day though.

FWIW, Sidley was one of the firms that asked Petal to call all offer recipients because their yield was way lower than what they expected. Personally, I wouldn't read too much into it, but some posters seem to think those firms will make more offers this year around.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Bach-City » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:41 pm

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:36 pm

Hey all,

Hoping for some perspective on my bidlist, I appreciate any thoughts.

Context: 3.6 GPA (and Stone), secondary journal, 4 years substantive legal work experience before law school, Not URM. Toward the bottom of the list are a few throwaways just so I can tell them I bid for a firm but didn't' get an interview (like Sidley).

1. Boies (1)
2. Debevoise (3)
3. Weil (4)
4. Paul Weiss (9)
5. Cleary (10)
6. Skadden (10)
7. SulCrom 10)
8. Gibson (10)
9. Davis Polk (11)
10. Latham (13)
11. Wilmer (15)
12. Covington (16)
13. Cravath (19)
14. Jones Day (19)
15. Williams and Connoly (19)
16. Wachtell (21)
17. Simpson Thacher (22)
18. Paul Hastings (19)
19. Shearman (20)
20. White and Case (5)
21. Sidley (2)
22. Kirkland (28)
23. Cadwalader (26)
24. Arnold and Porter (26)
25. Munger (29)
26 Morrison (5)
27. Axinn (*)
28. Skadden-Boston (*)
29. Ropes and Gray-Boston (*)
30. Choate (*)

Thank you.
-Badger King

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby GoneSouth » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hey all,

Hoping for some perspective on my bidlist, I appreciate any thoughts.

Context: 3.6 GPA (and Stone), secondary journal, 4 years substantive legal work experience before law school, Not URM. Toward the bottom of the list are a few throwaways just so I can tell them I bid for a firm but didn't' get an interview (like Sidley).

1. Boies (1)
2. Debevoise (3)
3. Weil (4)
4. Paul Weiss (9)
5. Cleary (10)
6. Skadden (10)
7. SulCrom 10)
8. Gibson (10)
9. Davis Polk (11)
10. Latham (13)
11. Wilmer (15)
12. Covington (16)
13. Cravath (19)
14. Jones Day (19)
15. Williams and Connoly (19)
16. Wachtell (21)
17. Simpson Thacher (22)
18. Paul Hastings (19)
19. Shearman (20)
20. White and Case (5)
21. Sidley (2)
22. Kirkland (28)
23. Cadwalader (26)
24. Arnold and Porter (26)
25. Munger (29)
26 Morrison (5)
27. Axinn (*)
28. Skadden-Boston (*)
29. Ropes and Gray-Boston (*)
30. Choate (*)

Thank you.
-Badger King


I don't think you need Cadwalader. I'd switch Gibson and SulCrom (have a feeling Gibson will clear higher, it's been higher in the past). Does Skadden let you bid multiple offices?

If you're going to throw away bids, why would you not put them at the very bottom? Makes no sense to put them ahead of other firms that you're actually trying to hit.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:10 pm

GoneSouth wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Hey all,

Hoping for some perspective on my bidlist, I appreciate any thoughts.

Context: 3.6 GPA (and Stone), secondary journal, 4 years substantive legal work experience before law school, Not URM. Toward the bottom of the list are a few throwaways just so I can tell them I bid for a firm but didn't' get an interview (like Sidley).

1. Boies (1)
2. Debevoise (3)
3. Weil (4)
4. Paul Weiss (9)
5. Cleary (10)
6. Skadden (10)
7. SulCrom 10)
8. Gibson (10)
9. Davis Polk (11)
10. Latham (13)
11. Wilmer (15)
12. Covington (16)
13. Cravath (19)
14. Jones Day (19)
15. Williams and Connoly (19)
16. Wachtell (21)
17. Simpson Thacher (22)
18. Paul Hastings (19)
19. Shearman (20)
20. White and Case (5)
21. Sidley (2)
22. Kirkland (28)
23. Cadwalader (26)
24. Arnold and Porter (26)
25. Munger (29)
26 Morrison (5)
27. Axinn (*)
28. Skadden-Boston (*)
29. Ropes and Gray-Boston (*)
30. Choate (*)

Thank you.
-Badger King


I don't think you need Cadwalader. I'd switch Gibson and SulCrom (have a feeling Gibson will clear higher, it's been higher in the past). Does Skadden let you bid multiple offices?

If you're going to throw away bids, why would you not put them at the very bottom? Makes no sense to put them ahead of other firms that you're actually trying to hit.



That makes sense. Thank you.

As for Skadden, yes, according to the New York and Boston office postings.

-Badger King

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hello fellow TLSers,
3.38 (missed stone by half-grade), 2 years of substantial WE (imagine non-MBB consulting or sth along the line), non-URM, international background. Secondary Journal (CBLR). I'm shooting for M&A, prefer Public but PE work wouldn't be too bad. How does my bidlist look? All firms are NY

Bid Firm (FFB)
1. Debevoise (3)
2. Weil (4)
3. White & Case (5)
4. Ropes (6)
5. PW (9)
6. Cleary (10)
7. Willkie Farr (9)
8. Kirkland (28) I heard last year was an anomaly, high-priority firm for me
9. Akin Gump (11)
10. Latham (13)
11. Fried Frank (13)
12. Cooley (14)
13. Linklaters (17)
14. Paul Hastings (19)
15. Jones Day (19)
16. Shearman & Sterling (20)
17. Simpson Thatcher (22)
18. Cravath (19)
19. Dechert (19)
20. Hogan Lovells (24)
21. Clifford Chance (27)
22. Freshfields (28)
23. Mayer Brown (26)
24. Cadwalader (26)
25. Schulte (27)
26. Morgan Lewis (24)
27. Greenberg Traurig (*)
28-30 Secondary/international markets I have ties at, all no failed bid last year

- Dominos


Is this too tight and/or aggressive? I'm open to any suggestions on switching out firms as well

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:15 pm

I have a friend visiting the US (more specifically Boston) for the first three weeks of August, and I promised to visit her one weekend. When do we start hearing back about callbacks, roughly? Would it be best for me to go the first weekend of August right after screeners are over? Or do I need that weekend to prepare as well? Are weekends in August generally just spent preparing for callbacks?

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby FascinatedWanderer » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:12 pm

Preparing for callbacks is not really necessary at all. However, just with the logistics of planning, I'd probably stick around during that weekend.

That being said, you'll start getting callbacks after the first day of EIP. Which is to say, during the evening of that day, and certainly during day 2 of EIP.

I scheduled my first callback during day 4 of EIP because my schedule was very light that day.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby GoneSouth » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Hello fellow TLSers,
3.38 (missed stone by half-grade), 2 years of substantial WE (imagine non-MBB consulting or sth along the line), non-URM, international background. Secondary Journal (CBLR). I'm shooting for M&A, prefer Public but PE work wouldn't be too bad. How does my bidlist look? All firms are NY

Bid Firm (FFB)
1. Debevoise (3)
2. Weil (4)
3. White & Case (5)
4. Ropes (6)
5. PW (9)
6. Cleary (10)
7. Willkie Farr (9)
8. Kirkland (28) I heard last year was an anomaly, high-priority firm for me
9. Akin Gump (11)
10. Latham (13)
11. Fried Frank (13)
12. Cooley (14)
13. Linklaters (17)
14. Paul Hastings (19)
15. Jones Day (19)
16. Shearman & Sterling (20)
17. Simpson Thatcher (22)
18. Cravath (19)
19. Dechert (19)
20. Hogan Lovells (24)
21. Clifford Chance (27)
22. Freshfields (28)
23. Mayer Brown (26)
24. Cadwalader (26)
25. Schulte (27)
26. Morgan Lewis (24)
27. Greenberg Traurig (*)
28-30 Secondary/international markets I have ties at, all no failed bid last year

- Dominos


Is this too tight and/or aggressive? I'm open to any suggestions on switching out firms as well


It looks ok to me.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby GoneSouth » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I have a friend visiting the US (more specifically Boston) for the first three weeks of August, and I promised to visit her one weekend. When do we start hearing back about callbacks, roughly? Would it be best for me to go the first weekend of August right after screeners are over? Or do I need that weekend to prepare as well? Are weekends in August generally just spent preparing for callbacks?


I don't think you really have to prepare that much beyond looking up your interviewers and trying to come up with a few points about the firm to talk about. If you're going to bid any non-NYC markets, you may have to use Sundays for travel. If you're only bidding NYC you should be fine.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:15 am

Rising 3L looking to trade up here. Is it just me or does it seem like there are much fewer firms hiring 3Ls at EIP this year? I remember firms like Kirkland and Skadden were both there last year...

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:34 am

Anonymous User wrote:Okay, I guess I'll get the bidlists started. Thanks in advance to everyone for any feedback. GPA is on the higher side of the 3.6-3.7 range. Goal is DC lit, though I want to make sure I'm doing a good enough job bidding NYC for backup. I imagine the top of my bidlist could be a bit tighter but really don't want to risk any of those interviews. All bids NYC unless otherwise noted. 2016 FFB is in parenthesis.

  1. Boies (1)
  2. Sidley DC (4)
  3. Hogan Lovells DC (6)
  4. Paul Weiss (9)
  5. Gibson Dunn (10)
  6. Gibson Dunn DC (11)
  7. Cleary (10)
  8. Davis Polk (11)
  9. Skadden (10)
  10. Skadden DC (15)
  11. Covington DC (16)
  12. Latham (13)
  13. Arnold & Porter DC (18)
  14. Jones Day DC (18)
  15. Latham DC (19)
  16. W&C (19)
  17. WilmerHale DC (22)
  18. Kirkland DC (22)
  19. Debevoise DC (24)
  20. STB (22)
  21. Cleary DC (26)
  22. White & Case DC (26)
  23. Paul Weiss DC (28)
  24. O'Melveny DC (28)
  25. Davis Polk DC (new)
  26. Kirkland (28 lol)
  27. Debevoise (3)
  28. Weil (4)
  29. Ropes (6)
  30. Sidley (2)

-Reinhold Niebuhr


Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback so far. I have an updated list below. 3.68, secondary journal. Skadden, Deb, Cleary, and Kirkland all allow bidding multiple offices. Not listing the secondary market bids below for anonymity, but all have no FFB.

  1. Boies (1) +0
  2. Debevoise (3) +1
  3. Hogan Lovells (DC) (6)+3
  4. Ropes & Gray (DC) (6) +2
  5. Gibson Dunn (10) +5
  6. Cleary (10) +4
  7. Davis Polk (11) +4
  8. Skadden (10) +2
  9. Akin (DC) (12) +3
  10. Skadden (DC) (15) +5
  11. Covington (DC) (16) +5
  12. Arnold & Porter (DC) (18) +6
  13. Jones Day (DC) (18) +5
  14. WilmerHale (DC) (22) +8
  15. Kirkland (DC) (22) +7
  16. STB (22) +6
  17. Debevoise (DC) (24) +7
  18. Cleary (DC) (26) +8
  19. Kirkland (26) +7
  20. O'Melveny (DC) (28) +8
  21. White & Case (DC) (26) +5
  22. Hughes Hubbard (DC) (*)
  23. Secondary market (*)
  24. Secondary market (*)
  25. Secondary market (*)
  26. Secondary market (*)
  27. Secondary market (*)
  28. Secondary market (*)

Any suggestions before I make this final? Good ways to use those 23 and 24 bids?

-Reinhold Niebuhr

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:37 pm

GoneSouth wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
TheoO wrote:
Yea, that's tight. Yea, it's possible to email them either way, especially a firm that is on the less selective side, like Milbank. Email any firm you're interested in, whether you get to bid or not. Saying something more neutral like "I wasn't able to get a screeber with you through the bidding process, but would be interested in the firm." Maybe others here can give some consensus on that, or OCS can advise.



Not OP, but to be clear: we should be e-mailing firms we're interested in but don't get through bidding after interview schedules come out and asking them for an interview at EIP? Or outside of EIP? Any upside to just e-mailing them now instead of waiting until the 25th or whatever when schedules come out?


If you're Stone, you should email firms you're interested in now and try to interview before EIP. That's a huge upside because you can approach EIP differently if you have an offer in hand


Hi - should non-Stone (not even close) do pre-EIP emails as well? Or just wait til EIP since firms would not respond anyways. Looking through the threads and seems no one has provided a good answer to that, tks!

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby GoneSouth » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
GoneSouth wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
TheoO wrote:
Yea, that's tight. Yea, it's possible to email them either way, especially a firm that is on the less selective side, like Milbank. Email any firm you're interested in, whether you get to bid or not. Saying something more neutral like "I wasn't able to get a screeber with you through the bidding process, but would be interested in the firm." Maybe others here can give some consensus on that, or OCS can advise.



Not OP, but to be clear: we should be e-mailing firms we're interested in but don't get through bidding after interview schedules come out and asking them for an interview at EIP? Or outside of EIP? Any upside to just e-mailing them now instead of waiting until the 25th or whatever when schedules come out?


If you're Stone, you should email firms you're interested in now and try to interview before EIP. That's a huge upside because you can approach EIP differently if you have an offer in hand


Hi - should non-Stone (not even close) do pre-EIP emails as well? Or just wait til EIP since firms would not respond anyways. Looking through the threads and seems no one has provided a good answer to that, tks!


I really don't know, but my instinct is that you should not email firms you're trying to interview with at EIP but should email all other firms

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:48 am

For mass-mailing, do you include a cover letter for each firm, or just stick to the materials that they are requesting for EIP?

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:52 am

Hi all - My situation is similar to another poster earlier. Terrible grades (3.0X), non-URM (I think), secondary journal, irrelevant work experience. Rightly afraid of striking out, but staying positive. My strategy: Focusing on firms with no grade requirements, lower percentage of offers to honor students, and good ratios of callbacks. All NY firms. Please feel free to critique harshly. Really appreciate your wisdom!

1. Sidley (2) - only included b/c large classes; remove?
2. Proskauer (3) - only included b/c large classes; remove?
3. Milbank (6)
4. Willkie (9)
5. Cahill (9)
6. Akin Gump (11)
7. Goodwin (13)
8. Fried, Frank (13)
9. Kramer (14)
10. O'Melveny (14)
11. Cooley (14)
12. K&L (16)
13. Linklaters (17)
14. Vinson/Huges (18)/(19) - unsure which I should choose
15. Paul Hastings (19)
16. Dechert (19)
17. Shearman (20)
18. Pillsbury (20)
19. Winston (22)
20. Hogan Lovells (24)
21. Mayer Brown (26)
22. Cadwalader (26)
23. Arnold & Porter (26)
24. Schulte Roth (27)
25. Freshfields (28)
26. North Rose (29)
27. McDermott (30)
28. Greenberg (N/A)
29. Bryan Cave (N/A)
30. Curtis (N/A)
Others - Shepard NY (N/A), Shepard LA (24), Denton (N/A), Holland (N/A), Reed Smith (N/A) + really hoping I can pick up even more interviews during.

- Water

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:33 am

This is my updated (and hopefully final) list. I'm Kent/secondary/KJD

I want DC Lit (preferably white collar defense). Are there any firms that I'm missing? I tried to get the big NY firms(Watchell/CSM/SC/Simpson Thatcher) and then all the good DC Lit firms (plus Munger).

Students have told me that international offices will fly me to the location for a callback, OCS has advised that they will do skype. Any idea which is true?

1. Boies (DC) (1)
2. Sidley Austin (DC) (2)
3. Hogan Lovells (DC) (6)
4. Sullivan and Cromwell (NY) (10)
5. Gibson Dunn (DC) (11)
6. Davis Polk (NY) (11)
7. Akin Gump (DC) (12)
8. Skadden (DC) (15)
9. Covington and Burling (DC) (16)
10. Jones Day (DC) (18)
11. Arnold Porter (DC) (18)
12. Mayer Brown (DC) (18)
13. Williams and Connelly (DC) (19)
14. Cravath (NY) (19)
15. Latham (DC) (19)
16. Watchell (NY) (21)
17. Steptoe (DC) (21)
18. WilmerHale (DC) (22)
19. Simpson Thatcher (NY) (22)
20. Paul Hastings (DC) (23)
21. Debivoise (DC) (24)
22. White & Case (DC) (26)
23. Cleary (DC) (26)
24. Paul Weiss (DC) (28)
25. Munger, Tolles, Olson (LA) (29)
26. King and Spalding (DC) (29)
27. Wilkie (DC) (30)
28. Baker Botts (DC) (30)
29. KE (London) (*)
30. MoFo (Tokyo) (*)

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby GoneSouth » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:This is my updated (and hopefully final) list. I'm Kent/secondary/KJD

I want DC Lit (preferably white collar defense). Are there any firms that I'm missing? I tried to get the big NY firms(Watchell/CSM/SC/Simpson Thatcher) and then all the good DC Lit firms (plus Munger).

Students have told me that international offices will fly me to the location for a callback, OCS has advised that they will do skype. Any idea which is true?

1. Boies (DC) (1)
2. Sidley Austin (DC) (2)
3. Hogan Lovells (DC) (6)
4. Sullivan and Cromwell (NY) (10)
5. Gibson Dunn (DC) (11)
6. Davis Polk (NY) (11)
7. Akin Gump (DC) (12)
8. Skadden (DC) (15)
9. Covington and Burling (DC) (16)
10. Jones Day (DC) (18)
11. Arnold Porter (DC) (18)
12. Mayer Brown (DC) (18)
13. Williams and Connelly (DC) (19)
14. Cravath (NY) (19)
15. Latham (DC) (19)
16. Watchell (NY) (21)
17. Steptoe (DC) (21)
18. WilmerHale (DC) (22)
19. Simpson Thatcher (NY) (22)
20. Paul Hastings (DC) (23)
21. Debivoise (DC) (24)
22. White & Case (DC) (26)
23. Cleary (DC) (26)
24. Paul Weiss (DC) (28)
25. Munger, Tolles, Olson (LA) (29)
26. King and Spalding (DC) (29)
27. Wilkie (DC) (30)
28. Baker Botts (DC) (30)
29. KE (London) (*)
30. MoFo (Tokyo) (*)


The list looks good to me. As far as international callbacks, I know some people who were flown to London. Not sure about Asia though.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hi all - My situation is similar to another poster earlier. Terrible grades (3.0X), non-URM (I think), secondary journal, irrelevant work experience. Rightly afraid of striking out, but staying positive. My strategy: Focusing on firms with no grade requirements, lower percentage of offers to honor students, and good ratios of callbacks. All NY firms. Please feel free to critique harshly. Really appreciate your wisdom!

1. Sidley (2) - only included b/c large classes; remove?
2. Proskauer (3) - only included b/c large classes; remove?
3. Milbank (6)
4. Willkie (9)
5. Cahill (9)
6. Akin Gump (11)
7. Goodwin (13)
8. Fried, Frank (13)
9. Kramer (14)
10. O'Melveny (14)
11. Cooley (14)
12. K&L (16)
13. Linklaters (17)
14. Vinson/Huges (18)/(19) - unsure which I should choose
15. Paul Hastings (19)
16. Dechert (19)
17. Shearman (20)
18. Pillsbury (20)
19. Winston (22)
20. Hogan Lovells (24)
21. Mayer Brown (26)
22. Cadwalader (26)
23. Arnold & Porter (26)
24. Schulte Roth (27)
25. Freshfields (28)
26. North Rose (29)
27. McDermott (30)
28. Greenberg (N/A)
29. Bryan Cave (N/A)
30. Curtis (N/A)
Others - Shepard NY (N/A), Shepard LA (24), Denton (N/A), Holland (N/A), Reed Smith (N/A) + really hoping I can pick up even more interviews during.

- Water


Does anyone have any feedback on this? I'm in a similar situation - but definitely non-URM. Should I add Ropes to this list? Their honors ratio is kind of high...

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:49 am

Are interview dates an issue to consider? My breakdown is 10 on Day 1, 10 on Day 2, and 5 on Day 3 and 4. Is there a strategy to consider and stress out about, or is this something that will just work itself out? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby JFO1833 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:39 am

Anonymous User wrote:Are interview dates an issue to consider? My breakdown is 10 on Day 1, 10 on Day 2, and 5 on Day 3 and 4. Is there a strategy to consider and stress out about, or is this something that will just work itself out? Thanks in advance.


While in a perfect world there would be a better balance, this is not atypical. I'd just deal with it unless there are firms on Day 1 or Day 2 you really don't need and could care less about. I'd wait till add/drop to consider this though.

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:07 am

Exactly at the median, k-jd - all NY, corporate, don't really have much going for me as far as softs/experience is concerned. A bit worried.

1. Sidley Austin (2)
2. Proskauer (3)
3. White & Case (5)
4. Milbank (6)
5. Allen & Overy (6)
6. Willkie (9)
7. Cahill (9)
8. Fried Frank (13)
9. Akin Gump (11)
10. Goodwin (13)
11. K&L Gates (16)
12. Linklaters (17)
13. Paul Hastings (19)
14. Vinson & Elkins (18)
15. Shearman & Sterling (20)
16. Hogan Lovells (24)
17. Pillsbury Winthrop (20)
18. Cadwalader (26)
19. Winston & Strawn (22)
20. Hunton & Williams (23)
21. Schulte (27)
22. Mayer Brown (26)
23. Clifford Chance (27)
24. Freshfields (28)
25. Pryor (27)
26. McDermott (30)
27. Stroock & Stroock
28. Greenberg Traurig

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Re: Columbia EIP 2017

Postby TheoO » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Are interview dates an issue to consider? My breakdown is 10 on Day 1, 10 on Day 2, and 5 on Day 3 and 4. Is there a strategy to consider and stress out about, or is this something that will just work itself out? Thanks in advance.


For the first day, just make sure you have all of your firms, names and relevant info (interviewer facts, firm facts, room number and time) in order. would suggest making small cards with the info, so you can read in the lobby as you wait for the interview. If it's 3 or 4 floors difference, the stairs are probably better than elevator. It will get crowded in the elevators. Outside of that, there's not much you can do if the partner keeps you or holds you up. It may happen.

That said, 10 is manageable. For the other days, if you feel worried, come in earlier to try and grab some extra interviews (especially on the last day if you are feeling like call backs haven't materialized, assuming you're all NYC).




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