Does stub year count as experience?

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
gaddockteeg

Bronze
Posts: 383
Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 pm

Does stub year count as experience?

Postby gaddockteeg » Tue May 09, 2017 4:26 pm

When you see lateral job postings looking for X number of years of experience, does the 4 months of stub year count?

I realize it's not a big deal. Just wondering.

User avatar
jess

Diamond
Posts: 18149
Joined: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:27 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby jess » Tue May 09, 2017 4:42 pm

.
Last edited by jess on Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:28 am, edited 1 time in total.

Nebby

Diamond
Posts: 31197
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:23 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Nebby » Tue May 09, 2017 4:52 pm

jess wrote:Does four months count as one year of experience? lol

:lol:

User avatar
QuentonCassidy

Silver
Posts: 590
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:58 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby QuentonCassidy » Tue May 09, 2017 4:53 pm

jess wrote:Does four months count as one year of experience? lol

Pretty sure OP means will he have 1 year of experience 8 months into his first full year (or 2 years of experience 8 months into his second full year, and so on), or does he have to wait until the end of the first full year. I think it's pretty clear that he won't be considered to have two years of experience from first year + stub year

User avatar
Rowinguy2009

Bronze
Posts: 364
Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:37 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Rowinguy2009 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:07 pm

Yes. It counts.

ballouttacontrol

Silver
Posts: 677
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:00 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby ballouttacontrol » Tue May 09, 2017 5:19 pm

yea why wouldn't it?

gaddockteeg

Bronze
Posts: 383
Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby gaddockteeg » Tue May 09, 2017 5:35 pm

QuentonCassidy wrote:
jess wrote:Does four months count as one year of experience? lol

Pretty sure OP means will he have 1 year of experience 8 months into his first full year (or 2 years of experience 8 months into his second full year, and so on), or does he have to wait until the end of the first full year. I think it's pretty clear that he won't be considered to have two years of experience from first year + stub year


Yep.

Sorry if that wasnt clear but I thought it was obvious.

ballouttacontrol wrote:yea why wouldn't it?


Basically wondering if I have "two years experience" by August, or not until January.

User avatar
3|ink

Platinum
Posts: 7393
Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby 3|ink » Tue May 09, 2017 10:52 pm

gaddockteeg wrote:
QuentonCassidy wrote:
jess wrote:Does four months count as one year of experience? lol

Pretty sure OP means will he have 1 year of experience 8 months into his first full year (or 2 years of experience 8 months into his second full year, and so on), or does he have to wait until the end of the first full year. I think it's pretty clear that he won't be considered to have two years of experience from first year + stub year


Yep.

Sorry if that wasnt clear but I thought it was obvious.

ballouttacontrol wrote:yea why wouldn't it?


Basically wondering if I have "two years experience" by August, or not until January.

January imo

User avatar
Mickfromgm

Bronze
Posts: 144
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:40 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Mickfromgm » Tue May 09, 2017 10:56 pm

This discussion is largely academic because no one will turn you away if you are qualified for a job but short by 2-3 months of the requested experience. Job listings include a description of an ideal candidate; it doesn't reflect the actual person they would be willing to hire on the lower end of the spectrum. But the short answer is, yes, absolutely you can count the stubby.

Nebby

Diamond
Posts: 31197
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:23 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Nebby » Tue May 09, 2017 11:07 pm

gaddockteeg wrote:
QuentonCassidy wrote:
jess wrote:Does four months count as one year of experience? lol

Pretty sure OP means will he have 1 year of experience 8 months into his first full year (or 2 years of experience 8 months into his second full year, and so on), or does he have to wait until the end of the first full year. I think it's pretty clear that he won't be considered to have two years of experience from first year + stub year


Yep.

Sorry if that wasnt clear but I thought it was obvious.

ballouttacontrol wrote:yea why wouldn't it?


Basically wondering if I have "two years experience" by August, or not until January.

You'll have two years experience 24 months after your first month of working

Mr. Peanutbutter

Diamond
Posts: 10168
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:48 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Mr. Peanutbutter » Tue May 09, 2017 11:08 pm

"So tell us Jim: Our job posting clearly said we require 2 years of experience, but it's October 2017 and this says you started at Big Asshole Firm in September 2015. What makes you think you have the requisite experience?"

Said no one ever

ETA: If they were that pedantic/cared that much then (a) don't work there and (ii) they would have said "c/o 2014 or earlier" or something like that.

gaddockteeg

Bronze
Posts: 383
Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby gaddockteeg » Wed May 10, 2017 10:14 am

Mlk&Ckies wrote:"So tell us Jim: Our job posting clearly said we require 2 years of experience, but it's October 2017 and this says you started at Big Asshole Firm in September 2015. What makes you think you have the requisite experience?"

Said no one ever

ETA: If they were that pedantic/cared that much then (a) don't work there and (ii) they would have said "c/o 2014 or earlier" or something like that.



"Hiring Mid-level associates with 2-4 years experience." I think this can be interpreted both ways.

Mickfromgm wrote:This discussion is largely academic because no one will turn you away if you are qualified for a job but short by 2-3 months of the requested experience. Job listings include a description of an ideal candidate; it doesn't reflect the actual person they would be willing to hire on the lower end of the spectrum. But the short answer is, yes, absolutely you can count the stubby.


I agree. I acknowledged the "academic" part of it at the start.


Thanks for all the responses, everyone; my general takeaway is "yes, it counts."

blahblewblah

New
Posts: 96
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:42 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby blahblewblah » Wed May 10, 2017 11:45 am

3|ink wrote:
gaddockteeg wrote:
QuentonCassidy wrote:
jess wrote:Does four months count as one year of experience? lol

Pretty sure OP means will he have 1 year of experience 8 months into his first full year (or 2 years of experience 8 months into his second full year, and so on), or does he have to wait until the end of the first full year. I think it's pretty clear that he won't be considered to have two years of experience from first year + stub year


Yep.

Sorry if that wasnt clear but I thought it was obvious.

ballouttacontrol wrote:yea why wouldn't it?


Basically wondering if I have "two years experience" by August, or not until January.

January imo


No.

User avatar
3|ink

Platinum
Posts: 7393
Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby 3|ink » Wed May 10, 2017 8:08 pm

Mlk&Ckies wrote:"So tell us Jim: Our job posting clearly said we require 2 years of experience, but it's October 2017 and this says you started at Big Asshole Firm in September 2015. What makes you think you have the requisite experience?"

Said no one ever

ETA: If they were that pedantic/cared that much then (a) don't work there and (ii) they would have said "c/o 2014 or earlier" or something like that.

Whether the firm would accept his application with less than the requisite experience is a different question. The OP asked whether he can represent that he has two years of experience. At best he should say "about two years."

User avatar
Desert Fox

Diamond
Posts: 18290
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:34 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Desert Fox » Wed May 10, 2017 8:24 pm

why are non idiots in this thread saying that it doesnt count. you become a second year a year after you started.
Last edited by Desert Fox on Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

Barrred

Bronze
Posts: 169
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:49 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Barrred » Wed May 10, 2017 9:17 pm

Nebby wrote:You'll have two years experience 24 months after your first month of working


Actually, it would be 23 months after your first month of working. You'd have two years experience 24 months after your first second of working.

mercymainbtw

Bronze
Posts: 135
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:49 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby mercymainbtw » Wed May 10, 2017 9:20 pm

how does time work

ballouttacontrol

Silver
Posts: 677
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:00 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby ballouttacontrol » Wed May 10, 2017 11:11 pm

Barrred wrote:
Nebby wrote:You'll have two years experience 24 months after your first month of working


Actually, it would be 23 months after your first month of working. You'd have two years experience 24 months after your first second of working.


low quality post

User avatar
rpupkin

Platinum
Posts: 5659
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:32 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby rpupkin » Thu May 11, 2017 1:14 am

gaddockteeg wrote:When you see lateral job postings looking for X number of years of experience, does the 4 months of stub year count?

It doesn't matter if it counts. If you see an associate position you're interested in that asks for 1-2 years of experience, and if you have 8 months of experience, apply. The fact that the firm is willing to go as low as 1 year of experience means that they're fine hiring a junior associate. If they otherwise like your application, they're not going to bounce you because you've only worked 9 months instead of 12 months (or 20 months instead of 24 months or whatever). Always apply if you're interested in the job, even if you're a few months short of the experience range.

gaddockteeg

Bronze
Posts: 383
Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby gaddockteeg » Thu May 11, 2017 3:33 pm

Desert Fox wrote:why are non idiots in this thread saying that it doesnt count. you become a second year a year after you started.


I didn't become a second year until Jan. I was a "1st year associate" for 16 months.

rpupkin wrote:
gaddockteeg wrote:When you see lateral job postings looking for X number of years of experience, does the 4 months of stub year count?

It doesn't matter if it counts. If you see an associate position you're interested in that asks for 1-2 years of experience, and if you have 8 months of experience, apply. The fact that the firm is willing to go as low as 1 year of experience means that they're fine hiring a junior associate. If they otherwise like your application, they're not going to bounce you because you've only worked 9 months instead of 12 months (or 20 months instead of 24 months or whatever). Always apply if you're interested in the job, even if you're a few months short of the experience range.


That's fair. I think the issue for me is whether I can call myself a mid-level already for application purposes.

Mr. Peanutbutter

Diamond
Posts: 10168
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:48 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby Mr. Peanutbutter » Thu May 11, 2017 3:56 pm

You become a second year when the first years start, you just don't get paid like it till January

mercymainbtw

Bronze
Posts: 135
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:49 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby mercymainbtw » Thu May 11, 2017 3:57 pm

but your firm is billing you out at second year rates, guaranteed

User avatar
smokeylarue

Silver
Posts: 585
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:55 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby smokeylarue » Thu May 11, 2017 4:16 pm

Say I started in Fall 2014, and have now worked about 2 years and 7 months. There is no doubt I'm a 3rd year associate. But when lateral positions are asking for at least 3 years of experience (instead of asking for a 3rd year associate), do I qualify for the position?

User avatar
rpupkin

Platinum
Posts: 5659
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:32 pm

Re: Does stub year count as experience?

Postby rpupkin » Thu May 11, 2017 4:18 pm

smokeylarue wrote:Say I started in Fall 2014, and have now worked about 2 years and 7 months. There is no doubt I'm a 3rd year associate. But when lateral positions are asking for at least 3 years of experience (instead of asking for a 3rd year associate), do I qualify for the position?

See my post above.



Return to “Legal Employment�

Who is online

The online users are hidden on this forum.