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Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby unitball » Fri May 05, 2017 10:52 pm

Know what it's like to not get called back?

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Postby bearsfan23 » Fri May 05, 2017 11:19 pm

rpupkin wrote:call in

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby lakers180 » Fri May 05, 2017 11:40 pm

they probably didn't get called back from yale so i would say so

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri May 05, 2017 11:50 pm

Harvard doesn't rank.

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Postby lawlorbust » Sat May 06, 2017 12:09 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Harvard doesn't rank.


Yes, it does?

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat May 06, 2017 12:14 am

lawlorbust wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Harvard doesn't rank.


Yes, it does?

I'm sure you know more about than I do, but not officially, at least according to the grading policies page:

http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/ocs/employers/hls-grading-policy/ wrote:It is important to highlight that there is no published curve with respect to the distribution of grades and that there are no class rankings.

Of course someone actually has the highest grades and someone in the admin probably knows that. I just think it's a silly question. (In the OP, I mean.)

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 06, 2017 12:19 am

Sure, maybe they signed up for 20 screeners then realized fuck that random firm from that city that hate, can't cancel the interview cuz rules, and just blew it off. I'm sure it has happened. Doubt it happens for a firm they actually want tho

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Postby kellyfrost » Sat May 06, 2017 12:21 am

bearsfan23 wrote:
rpupkin wrote:call in


Was rpupkin #1 at Harvard? Did he clerk at SCOTUS?
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Postby cheaptilts » Sat May 06, 2017 12:25 am

lawlorbust wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Harvard doesn't rank.


Yes, it does?

Sears Prizes reveal who was #1 and #2 per class year, if I recall

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Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 06, 2017 12:36 am

1L Sears Prize winners are #1s at Harvard Law. (There are two each year)
The firms these people choose are Susman Godfrey, Wachtell, Williams & Connolly etc, which are the most selective firms in the country.
I could imagine how they might apply to more generic firms and get ignored.
And in Harvard Law, there is generally only one summa cum laude every year. You could say these people are valedictorians or #1s. But then unlike 1L Sears Prize, these are based on overall grades and 2L 3L grades are not nearly as meaningful as 1L grades in terms signal value.

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat May 06, 2017 12:50 am

Then I take it back. I guess they rank only the #1 student.

Still don't get the point of the question. OP, what difference does it make to you? Even the #1 student at Harvard isn't going to get what they want all the time or have a perfect life by virtue of being #1 at Harvard (though of course that would be a snazzy thing to be).

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Postby KissMyAxe » Sat May 06, 2017 1:12 am

lakers180 wrote:they probably didn't get called back from yale so i would say so


Obviously I'm biased, but underrated post.

But seriously, yes, I'm sure the #1 student at HLS might very well not get a callback. We have students here that are arguably #1 every year who miss out on a couple callbacks. I doubt any of them are striking out, but a lot of top students are a little socially awkward and might flub an interview. Once you reach a certain theshold for a firm, it becomes heavily about fit (just like clerkships).

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Postby lawlorbust » Sat May 06, 2017 1:22 am

KissMyAxe wrote:
lakers180 wrote:they probably didn't get called back from yale so i would say so


Obviously I'm biased, but underrated post.

But seriously, yes, I'm sure the #1 student at HLS might very well not get a callback. We have students here that are arguably #1 every year who miss out on a couple callbacks. I doubt any of them are striking out, but a lot of top students are a little socially awkward and might flub an interview. Once you reach a certain theshold for a firm, it becomes heavily about fit (just like clerkships).


I'll admit, I lol'd.

Nony: HLS has, like most schools not Stanford or Yale, latin honors that essentially ranks you (imprecisely) at graduation. It's a strong argument against HLS.

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lawlorbust wrote:
KissMyAxe wrote:
lakers180 wrote:they probably didn't get called back from yale so i would say so


Obviously I'm biased, but underrated post.

But seriously, yes, I'm sure the #1 student at HLS might very well not get a callback. We have students here that are arguably #1 every year who miss out on a couple callbacks. I doubt any of them are striking out, but a lot of top students are a little socially awkward and might flub an interview. Once you reach a certain theshold for a firm, it becomes heavily about fit (just like clerkships).


I'll admit, I lol'd.

Nony: HLS has, like most schools not Stanford or Yale, latin honors that essentially ranks you (imprecisely) at graduation. It's a strong argument against HLS.


Yeah Stanford used to have this Distinction thing but I have heard that they removed it some years ago . H probably will always stick to some form of ranking system because of class size.

Edit: The system as it exists in HLS is not necessarily a turn off for all 0Ls though. Some people are risk-seeking when it comes to academic matters.

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Postby favabeansoup » Sat May 06, 2017 1:43 am

Quality Friday Night Shitpost

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat May 06, 2017 1:45 am

lawlorbust wrote:
KissMyAxe wrote:
lakers180 wrote:they probably didn't get called back from yale so i would say so


Obviously I'm biased, but underrated post.

But seriously, yes, I'm sure the #1 student at HLS might very well not get a callback. We have students here that are arguably #1 every year who miss out on a couple callbacks. I doubt any of them are striking out, but a lot of top students are a little socially awkward and might flub an interview. Once you reach a certain theshold for a firm, it becomes heavily about fit (just like clerkships).


I'll admit, I lol'd.

Nony: HLS has, like most schools not Stanford or Yale, latin honors that essentially ranks you (imprecisely) at graduation. It's a strong argument against HLS.

Got it. Thanks! (My school gives out actual numbers so it's a different context.)

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 06, 2017 2:25 am

Anonymous User wrote:1L Sears Prize winners are #1s at Harvard Law. (There are two each year)
The firms these people choose are Susman Godfrey, Wachtell, Williams & Connolly etc, which are the most selective firms in the country.


For what it's worth, I know multiple sears prize winners personally from the past few years that chose firms that would not raise eyebrows. Just regular vault ranked, non-top firms. They don't all go for prestige/salary.

unitball wrote:Know what it's like to not get called back?

Can't say for #1, but students in the top 1-5% can and will get dinged over fit at the screener stage. But very rarely. Grades will overcome fit at most but not all firms.

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Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 06, 2017 12:14 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:1L Sears Prize winners are #1s at Harvard Law. (There are two each year)
The firms these people choose are Susman Godfrey, Wachtell, Williams & Connolly etc, which are the most selective firms in the country.


For what it's worth, I know multiple sears prize winners personally from the past few years that chose firms that would not raise eyebrows. Just regular vault ranked, non-top firms. They don't all go for prestige/salary.

unitball wrote:Know what it's like to not get called back?

Can't say for #1, but students in the top 1-5% can and will get dinged over fit at the screener stage. But very rarely. Grades will overcome fit at most but not all firms.


I personally know just one Sears winner who chose one of the firms I just mentioned.
Obviously not everyone would be into lit boutiques. I mentioned Wachtell and Williams which are all Vault-ranked. But not choosing firms like Williams or Wachtell as Sears winners probably means they interviewed very poorly and shows perfect grades don't guarantee anything. Those selective firms have not only high salary and prestige but also more interesting work for associates and similar hours (to generic firms like Cravath).

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Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 06, 2017 1:56 pm

The two 1L Sears Prize winners my year worked at Jenner and Ropes after their 2L year. I think one of the 2L Sears Prize winners worked at DPW (I am not 100% sure but I know it was a NYC V5 and not WLRK). I can think of other examples but this seems to prove the point well enough.

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

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Anonymous User wrote:The two 1L Sears Prize winners my year worked at Jenner and Ropes after their 2L year. I think one of the 2L Sears Prize winners worked at DPW (I am not 100% sure but I know it was a NYC V5 and not WLRK). I can think of other examples but this seems to prove the point well enough.


2L Sears doesn't count. No idea why you brought it up.
About Ropes, it's the best firm in Boston and so if the person wanted to work in Boston then that was his or her best option. That was his/her Wachtell.
I think by Jenner you mean DC. Even then there are better firms in DC. That example may prove the point that perfect grades don't guarantee anything. But then we don't really know. Jenner DC may have offered some unique opportunities given that person's preferences.
I mean, in the context of NYC Wachtell and others, think about it. Nobody is stupid enough to decide to work the same hours but get paid less.

Having perfect grades lets you do anything you want unless you are a poor interviewer. You all know this.

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby hlsperson1111 » Sun May 07, 2017 1:20 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The two 1L Sears Prize winners my year worked at Jenner and Ropes after their 2L year. I think one of the 2L Sears Prize winners worked at DPW (I am not 100% sure but I know it was a NYC V5 and not WLRK). I can think of other examples but this seems to prove the point well enough.


2L Sears doesn't count. No idea why you brought it up.
About Ropes, it's the best firm in Boston and so if the person wanted to work in Boston then that was his or her best option. That was his/her Wachtell.
I think by Jenner you mean DC. Even then there are better firms in DC. That example may prove the point that perfect grades don't guarantee anything. But then we don't really know. Jenner DC may have offered some unique opportunities given that person's preferences.
I mean, in the context of NYC Wachtell and others, think about it. Nobody is stupid enough to decide to work the same hours but get paid less.

Having perfect grades lets you do anything you want unless you are a poor interviewer. You all know this.


Nah, the better explanation is that culture matters and firms aren't fungible. But you don't get that because you're clearly a dick.

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Postby lawlorbust » Sun May 07, 2017 1:39 am

hlsperson1111 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The two 1L Sears Prize winners my year worked at Jenner and Ropes after their 2L year. I think one of the 2L Sears Prize winners worked at DPW (I am not 100% sure but I know it was a NYC V5 and not WLRK). I can think of other examples but this seems to prove the point well enough.


2L Sears doesn't count. No idea why you brought it up.
About Ropes, it's the best firm in Boston and so if the person wanted to work in Boston then that was his or her best option. That was his/her Wachtell.
I think by Jenner you mean DC. Even then there are better firms in DC. That example may prove the point that perfect grades don't guarantee anything. But then we don't really know. Jenner DC may have offered some unique opportunities given that person's preferences.
I mean, in the context of NYC Wachtell and others, think about it. Nobody is stupid enough to decide to work the same hours but get paid less.

Having perfect grades lets you do anything you want unless you are a poor interviewer. You all know this.


Nah, the better explanation is that culture matters and firms aren't fungible. But you don't get that because you're clearly a dick.


And also a retard, if 2L Sears "doesn't count."

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Re: Does the #1 student at Harvard Law...

Postby jbagelboy » Sun May 07, 2017 1:43 am

what does this matter.

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Yes, for dates.

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lawlorbust wrote:
hlsperson1111 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The two 1L Sears Prize winners my year worked at Jenner and Ropes after their 2L year. I think one of the 2L Sears Prize winners worked at DPW (I am not 100% sure but I know it was a NYC V5 and not WLRK). I can think of other examples but this seems to prove the point well enough.


2L Sears doesn't count. No idea why you brought it up.
About Ropes, it's the best firm in Boston and so if the person wanted to work in Boston then that was his or her best option. That was his/her Wachtell.
I think by Jenner you mean DC. Even then there are better firms in DC. That example may prove the point that perfect grades don't guarantee anything. But then we don't really know. Jenner DC may have offered some unique opportunities given that person's preferences.
I mean, in the context of NYC Wachtell and others, think about it. Nobody is stupid enough to decide to work the same hours but get paid less.

Having perfect grades lets you do anything you want unless you are a poor interviewer. You all know this.


Nah, the better explanation is that culture matters and firms aren't fungible. But you don't get that because you're clearly a dick.


And also a retard, if 2L Sears "doesn't count."


"Doesn't count" in the sense that the question was about "no.1 at Harvard." Obviously you cannot claim you are number 1 when many folks were checked out. This is frankly a retarded thread and I replied because I had plenty of time. What a bunch of sick cunts.

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