It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
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This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
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Yeah, I agree. It's all situation/firm culture specific, and I took the original comment to mean "why doesn't everyone everywhere just do this?" Could be wrong though.SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
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How bad do we have to fuck up to get no-offered? Assuming its a 100% offer firm.
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I'm convinced the "conventional wisdom" to wear a suit and shave the first day is just so we can laugh at summers.
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Agreed.LaLiLuLeLo wrote:I'm convinced the "convential wisdom" to wear a suit and shave the first day is just so we can laugh at summers.
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what is even with this question? what are you expecting to hear that you didn't know when you made your firm decision that you presumably made based in part on 100% offer rateAnonymous User wrote:How bad do we have to fuck up to get no-offered? Assuming its a 100% offer firm.
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Wearing dress pants and a dress shirt (which is what you would be wearing after you take off the jacket) is not really dressing up though. I guess you could leave the jacket at the office if you live somewhere where it gets unbearably hot?SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
My east coast firm is not formal by any means, but I would probably look out of place if I didn't wear a nice pair of dress pants. Kakhis and button up just screams real estate agent/high school administrator to me, but I guess every part of the country is different when it comes to formalwear.
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Then I guess 75% of the AmLaw 100 partners in California are closet real estate agents/high school administrators.Moneytrees wrote:Wearing dress pants and a dress shirt (which is what you would be wearing after you take off the jacket) is not really dressing up though. I guess you could leave the jacket at the office if you live somewhere where it gets unbearably hot?SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
My east coast firm is not formal by any means, but I would probably look out of place if I didn't wear a nice pair of dress pants. Kakhis and button up just screams real estate agent/high school administrator to me, but I guess every part of the country is different when it comes to formalwear.
There certainly is a difference between slacks and khakis, and I dont just mean cotton to wool. I think if you have your khakis creased, you're basically there. Personally, I prefer khakis to slacks because slacks feel too formal and a bit stodgy. I also don't like the dry cleaning bill associated with slacks.
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I have no doubt that 75% of AmLaw partners in California look like real estate agents.SmokeytheBear wrote:Then I guess 75% of the AmLaw 100 partners in California are closet real estate agents/high school administrators.Moneytrees wrote:Wearing dress pants and a dress shirt (which is what you would be wearing after you take off the jacket) is not really dressing up though. I guess you could leave the jacket at the office if you live somewhere where it gets unbearably hot?SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
My east coast firm is not formal by any means, but I would probably look out of place if I didn't wear a nice pair of dress pants. Kakhis and button up just screams real estate agent/high school administrator to me, but I guess every part of the country is different when it comes to formalwear.
There certainly is a difference between slacks and khakis, and I dont just mean cotton to wool. I think if you have your khakis creased, you're basically there. Personally, I prefer khakis to slacks because slacks feel too formal and a bit stodgy. I also don't like the dry cleaning bill associated with slacks.
Also, keep in mind that just because a partner is wearing baggy kakhis and a polo, it doesn't mean you should. I'm not saying you should wear 3 piece suit and tie to work, but wearing a nice pair of slacks is not "stodgy" and is much more professional than khakis.
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Hah ok, kid. No one said anything about a baggy polo. Khakis and a pressed oxford.Moneytrees wrote:I have no doubt that 75% of AmLaw partners in California look like real estate agents.SmokeytheBear wrote:Then I guess 75% of the AmLaw 100 partners in California are closet real estate agents/high school administrators.Moneytrees wrote:Wearing dress pants and a dress shirt (which is what you would be wearing after you take off the jacket) is not really dressing up though. I guess you could leave the jacket at the office if you live somewhere where it gets unbearably hot?SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
My east coast firm is not formal by any means, but I would probably look out of place if I didn't wear a nice pair of dress pants. Kakhis and button up just screams real estate agent/high school administrator to me, but I guess every part of the country is different when it comes to formalwear.
There certainly is a difference between slacks and khakis, and I dont just mean cotton to wool. I think if you have your khakis creased, you're basically there. Personally, I prefer khakis to slacks because slacks feel too formal and a bit stodgy. I also don't like the dry cleaning bill associated with slacks.
Also, keep in mind that just because a partner is wearing baggy kakhis and a polo, it doesn't mean you should. I'm not saying you should wear 3 piece suit and tie to work, but wearing a nice pair of slacks is not "stodgy" and is much more professional than khakis.
Also, pressed and creased khakis with a pressed blue oxford look 1000 times more professional than baggy striped slacks and a checkered shirt from brooks brothers--looks like a friggin optical illusion.
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For realsies though, 75% of this sartorial crap is just opinion. Obviously don't show up to the office looking like Marky Mark or Jeffrey Lebowski (the other Jeffrey Lebowski).SmokeytheBear wrote:Hah ok, kid. No one said anything about a baggy polo. Khakis and a pressed oxford.Moneytrees wrote:I have no doubt that 75% of AmLaw partners in California look like real estate agents.SmokeytheBear wrote:Then I guess 75% of the AmLaw 100 partners in California are closet real estate agents/high school administrators.Moneytrees wrote:Wearing dress pants and a dress shirt (which is what you would be wearing after you take off the jacket) is not really dressing up though. I guess you could leave the jacket at the office if you live somewhere where it gets unbearably hot?SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
My east coast firm is not formal by any means, but I would probably look out of place if I didn't wear a nice pair of dress pants. Kakhis and button up just screams real estate agent/high school administrator to me, but I guess every part of the country is different when it comes to formalwear.
There certainly is a difference between slacks and khakis, and I dont just mean cotton to wool. I think if you have your khakis creased, you're basically there. Personally, I prefer khakis to slacks because slacks feel too formal and a bit stodgy. I also don't like the dry cleaning bill associated with slacks.
Also, keep in mind that just because a partner is wearing baggy kakhis and a polo, it doesn't mean you should. I'm not saying you should wear 3 piece suit and tie to work, but wearing a nice pair of slacks is not "stodgy" and is much more professional than khakis.
Also, pressed and creased khakis with a pressed blue oxford look 1000 times more professional than baggy striped slacks and a checkered shirt from brooks brothers--looks like a friggin optical illusion.
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As you said, it's really a matter of style/opinion. I agree with you that fit is as important as what you are actually wearing. I disagree with your advice in that Imo slacks + oxford is a great look for a dinner party or a country club, not the office. Also, since you are an attorney and presumably have worked in Biglaw for a few years, this conversation doesn't really apply for you. At this point, I'm sure you have enough street cred around you office to wear anything that resembles business casual without anyone caring. For SAs trying to land a full time offer, I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors) and a jacket + tie stashed somewhere in the office in case you need to go to court.SmokeytheBear wrote:Hah ok, kid. No one said anything about a baggy polo. Khakis and a pressed oxford.Moneytrees wrote:I have no doubt that 75% of AmLaw partners in California look like real estate agents.SmokeytheBear wrote:Then I guess 75% of the AmLaw 100 partners in California are closet real estate agents/high school administrators.Moneytrees wrote:Wearing dress pants and a dress shirt (which is what you would be wearing after you take off the jacket) is not really dressing up though. I guess you could leave the jacket at the office if you live somewhere where it gets unbearably hot?SmokeytheBear wrote:This might be a fine play, but I also question the decision to dress up when the convention is not to do that. Socially, it might be a bit offensive to the partners if you are wearing a suit to the office and they are showing up in khakis and a shirt. People are weird.Roy McAvoy wrote:It's pretty miserable wearing a suit jacket in the summer in Texas. Can't speak for other areas of the country though.Moneytrees wrote:For guys, why not just wear a suit without a tie to the office? If your office has a casual atmosphere you can always just take your jacket off once you get to work. You can stash a few ties at the office in case you need them and not have to worry about ever being under-dressed.
I don't really see why that wouldn't be the play. Are people just dying to wear khakis or what?
My east coast firm is not formal by any means, but I would probably look out of place if I didn't wear a nice pair of dress pants. Kakhis and button up just screams real estate agent/high school administrator to me, but I guess every part of the country is different when it comes to formalwear.
There certainly is a difference between slacks and khakis, and I dont just mean cotton to wool. I think if you have your khakis creased, you're basically there. Personally, I prefer khakis to slacks because slacks feel too formal and a bit stodgy. I also don't like the dry cleaning bill associated with slacks.
Also, keep in mind that just because a partner is wearing baggy kakhis and a polo, it doesn't mean you should. I'm not saying you should wear 3 piece suit and tie to work, but wearing a nice pair of slacks is not "stodgy" and is much more professional than khakis.
Also, pressed and creased khakis with a pressed blue oxford look 1000 times more professional than baggy striped slacks and a checkered shirt from brooks brothers--looks like a friggin optical illusion.
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In conclusion, if you were a summer at my firm we would resolve this by you doing two shots of the cheapest gin they have in the tub below the rail while I sip an ice cold lager. To be expensed, of course.Moneytrees wrote:
As you said, it's really a matter of style/opinion. I agree with you that fit is as important as what you are actually wearing. I disagree with your advice in that Imo slacks + oxford is a great look for a dinner party or a country club, not the office. Also, since you are an attorney and presumably have worked in Biglaw for a few years, this conversation doesn't really apply for you. At this point, I'm sure you have enough street cred around you office to wear anything that resembles business casual without anyone caring. For SAs trying to land a full time offer, I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors) and a jacket + tie stashed somewhere in the office in case you need to go to court.
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*while quoting the Big LebowskiSmokeytheBear wrote:In conclusion, if you were a summer at my firm we would resolve this by you doing two shots of the cheapest gin they have in the tub below the rail while I sip an ice cold lager. To be expensed, of course.Moneytrees wrote:
As you said, it's really a matter of style/opinion. I agree with you that fit is as important as what you are actually wearing. I disagree with your advice in that Imo slacks + oxford is a great look for a dinner party or a country club, not the office. Also, since you are an attorney and presumably have worked in Biglaw for a few years, this conversation doesn't really apply for you. At this point, I'm sure you have enough street cred around you office to wear anything that resembles business casual without anyone caring. For SAs trying to land a full time offer, I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors) and a jacket + tie stashed somewhere in the office in case you need to go to court.
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He fixes the cable?Moneytrees wrote:*while quoting the Big LebowskiSmokeytheBear wrote:In conclusion, if you were a summer at my firm we would resolve this by you doing two shots of the cheapest gin they have in the tub below the rail while I sip an ice cold lager. To be expensed, of course.Moneytrees wrote:
As you said, it's really a matter of style/opinion. I agree with you that fit is as important as what you are actually wearing. I disagree with your advice in that Imo slacks + oxford is a great look for a dinner party or a country club, not the office. Also, since you are an attorney and presumably have worked in Biglaw for a few years, this conversation doesn't really apply for you. At this point, I'm sure you have enough street cred around you office to wear anything that resembles business casual without anyone caring. For SAs trying to land a full time offer, I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors) and a jacket + tie stashed somewhere in the office in case you need to go to court.
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Isn't this going a little overboard? Nobody seems to bat an eye at lilac/salmon shirts.Moneytrees wrote: I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors)
+1 on the slacks though. I think khakis make you look like the IT guy.
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Yes, if you're wearing Dockers that you bought three years prior, have washed 325 times, and have never been pressed.dabigchina wrote:Isn't this going a little overboard? Nobody seems to bat an eye at lilac/salmon shirts.Moneytrees wrote: I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors)
+1 on the slacks though. I think khakis make you look like the IT guy.
No, if you're wearing slimmer fit khakis that are creased and pressed.
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Just go to Barneys and live a little.SmokeytheBear wrote:Yes, if you're wearing Dockers that you bought three years prior, have washed 325 times, and have never been pressed.dabigchina wrote:Isn't this going a little overboard? Nobody seems to bat an eye at lilac/salmon shirts.Moneytrees wrote: I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors)
+1 on the slacks though. I think khakis make you look like the IT guy.
No, if you're wearing slimmer fit khakis that are creased and pressed.
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Sounds expensive.SmokeytheBear wrote:Just go to Barneys and live a little.SmokeytheBear wrote:Yes, if you're wearing Dockers that you bought three years prior, have washed 325 times, and have never been pressed.dabigchina wrote:Isn't this going a little overboard? Nobody seems to bat an eye at lilac/salmon shirts.Moneytrees wrote: I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors)
+1 on the slacks though. I think khakis make you look like the IT guy.
No, if you're wearing slimmer fit khakis that are creased and pressed.
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I said a littleHikikomorist wrote:Sounds expensive.SmokeytheBear wrote:Just go to Barneys and live a little.SmokeytheBear wrote:Yes, if you're wearing Dockers that you bought three years prior, have washed 325 times, and have never been pressed.dabigchina wrote:Isn't this going a little overboard? Nobody seems to bat an eye at lilac/salmon shirts.Moneytrees wrote: I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors)
+1 on the slacks though. I think khakis make you look like the IT guy.
No, if you're wearing slimmer fit khakis that are creased and pressed.
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>$20=expensive.SmokeytheBear wrote:I said a littleHikikomorist wrote:Sounds expensive.SmokeytheBear wrote:Just go to Barneys and live a little.SmokeytheBear wrote:Yes, if you're wearing Dockers that you bought three years prior, have washed 325 times, and have never been pressed.dabigchina wrote:Isn't this going a little overboard? Nobody seems to bat an eye at lilac/salmon shirts.Moneytrees wrote: I think the safest way to go is to wear pressed slacks, white/light blue shirt (patterns are fine but shouldn't be anything with crazy colors)
+1 on the slacks though. I think khakis make you look like the IT guy.
No, if you're wearing slimmer fit khakis that are creased and pressed.
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about how many pages will the TLS aspieing about men's clothing end so i can check back in to this thread
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Yeah I'm done.buckiguy_sucks wrote:about how many pages will the TLS aspieing about men's clothing end so i can check back in to this thread
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we have MORE IMPORTANT things to talk about like what models and which bottles to purchase with these fat stacks??
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