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Small firms - can they bill clients for...

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:13 pm

Before law school graduates who took the bar and passed it but before they are sworn in or pass the C&F, do or can small firms bill clients like an attorney work, $x? Or do they bill for law clerk work and rates?

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Re: Small firms - can they bill clients for...

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:36 pm

I work at a small defense firm, think CGL and construction defect type stuff.

I'm a 2L. I'm billed between the rate of a paralegal and an associate, but in the para professional column

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Re: Small firms - can they bill clients for...

Postby Right2BearArms » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Before law school graduates who took the bar and passed it but before they are sworn in or pass the C&F, do or can small firms bill clients like an attorney work, $x? Or do they bill for law clerk work and rates?


A firm can bill anyone at any rate they wish. As long as the bill does not indicate that a person who has not yet passed the bar/cleared c&f, and is therefore not an "attorney", is not billed as an attorney, there is no ethics or other issue. The rate could be the same as a first year associate as long as there is an indication as to "law clerk" or un-admitted law graduate, etc.

Whether a client will be willing to pay such a bill is another story.

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Re: Small firms - can they bill clients for...

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:09 am

Right2BearArms wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Before law school graduates who took the bar and passed it but before they are sworn in or pass the C&F, do or can small firms bill clients like an attorney work, $x? Or do they bill for law clerk work and rates?


A firm can bill anyone at any rate they wish. As long as the bill does not indicate that a person who has not yet passed the bar/cleared c&f, and is therefore not an "attorney", is not billed as an attorney, there is no ethics or other issue. The rate could be the same as a first year associate as long as there is an indication as to "law clerk" or un-admitted law graduate, etc.

Whether a client will be willing to pay such a bill is another story.


A firm can bill any rate but I guess the question is whether a client will accept that rate, the same rate for un-admitted law graduate as a first year asso.

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Re: Small firms - can they bill clients for...

Postby Right2BearArms » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:26 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Right2BearArms wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Before law school graduates who took the bar and passed it but before they are sworn in or pass the C&F, do or can small firms bill clients like an attorney work, $x? Or do they bill for law clerk work and rates?


A firm can bill anyone at any rate they wish. As long as the bill does not indicate that a person who has not yet passed the bar/cleared c&f, and is therefore not an "attorney", is not billed as an attorney, there is no ethics or other issue. The rate could be the same as a first year associate as long as there is an indication as to "law clerk" or un-admitted law graduate, etc.

Whether a client will be willing to pay such a bill is another story.


A firm can bill any rate but I guess the question is whether a client will accept that rate, the same rate for un-admitted law graduate as a first year asso.


Unless someone here is a client of that firm, I doubt anyone here can answer that. Plenty of firms bill all kinds of un-admitted attorney's/law graduates. Fee arrangements aren't really your concern as the young attorney in that situation, unless you know or learn of some kind of illegal/unethical marketing of a non-licensed person as a licensed attorney.



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