Npret wrote: Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Second, your attitude you displayed here might have come off in the interview. You have to understand that the vast majority of people in law school come from well off backgrounds. They didn't have to worry about making ends meet, or working shitty jobs, or anything like that. Their "hard work" was the prep class for the ACT and LSAT, or some unpaid internship at a nonprofit they got to enjoy because, "like, I totes already got money so why not help those poor people. Totes looks great on the resume." I once overheard a girl at my law school complaining how she forgot to bring the right shoes on her recent trip to Belize and almost died from trying to figure out logistically how she would meet up with her parents back in the U.S. because they were coming in from the virgin islands a day later. She. Totes. Almost. Died. Man! So people from this type of background, probably the same ones you're complaining about on your law review, are the norm in the legal profession. And, as I've realized, no matter how much better you are than them at legal research and writing, grades, law review, hard work, etc., you won't succeed unless you pretend to like them and be like them. That means learning stupid follow up questions or phrases like, "Oh wow! Tell me more about your ski trip to aspen." Or, " I'm sorry to hear that. I also can't stand it when I reserve a Tee time on the golf course but my assistant has to take a sick day so I can't go." You already likely don't have these experiences to start with so you can't share any of your own, so if you don't get used to being "interested" in their experiences, then you'll be the silent weirdo in convos who has nothing to contribute and is awkward working with. So put on that fake ass overly professional, oh-this-old-thing-I-got-while-backpacking-through-europe? facade and go get yourself a firm job!
Yeah, I wondered how much that fact played in, I do not have a lot of experience in the well-heeled set, and the fit issue probably killed me, not being in the same age/life experience group as the other interviewees. I think sometimes I let the class issue get in my head too much, like I was striving too hard to make myself into something I am not.
Maybe the stars of prestige and big salary got in my eyes and that showed up in my interviews, I was too eager to show that, given the opportunity, I could play in the land of BMW's and Vineyard Vines.
I am going to keep digging and hustling. Hopefully, I can find my "thing" out there where I can do good work, do it reasonably well, and not desire to claw my eyeballs out every other day.
It's not everyday I feel crappy about stuff, usually just when more law review drudgery pops up. For some reason, law review "triggers" all my class insecurities. I am sure everyone can see my (metaphorical) red neck no matter how nice my suit is.
It sounds like you were the one creating a fit issue. Do you have some examples of what you think you did or said?
How introverted are you? Could that have been an issue in interviews?
So, I did about 24 OCI interviews. I had gone to networking things and met some of the people I interviewed with briefly. I felt like a lot of the time it was "tell me about yourself" and I would respond with my story which is nowhere typical for a law student. Then maybe a few follow up questions if I was lucky, and "do you have any questions for us?"
I would ask some stuff about firm culture, how work assignments were, could I try out transactional and litigation, some of that, and BOOM! interview over. Having been in another field, I felt like the interviews were vastly different from what I had experienced before. Maybe I screwed up by having scripted questions to ask. Maybe I asked the wrong questions.
I had a mock interview with an alum about halfway through OCI. He told me I wasn't weird or anything and that I didn't get a shot with their firm because of an interest in a specialized field that they don't hire summer associates for, only former clerks.
From what I understand, a lot of the OCI process is fit, and with a non-traditional background, an age difference, and expressing interest in specialized practice areas, I am sure I just didn't look like a fit.
Maybe they were right, and they are looking for young bucks or buckettes to get in there and work the insane hours without question. Maybe as an older person, they were afraid I wouldn't be that. Someone told me they were looking for someone they wouldn't mind being stuck in an airport in Des Moines with, and apparently, I failed at conveying in fifteen to twenty minutes how awesome I would be to hang with on an extended layover in Des Moines.
Meh. A lot of it was going to the G-D law review meetings and being subjected to the inanity of all that. I am almost done with that part of my life and I will try to focus instead on what is coming next.