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Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:18 pm

Not sure there'll be any demand, and I have spotty availability, but I thought I'd offer.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:30 pm

I guess this is dumb but just to confirm, by PLIP do you mean patent law interview program? And if so, what are chances like for someone who has done a summer internship in BL in a city and wants to switch locale for post-3L hiring?

I'm currently top third at a T14 with a patent bar-eligible degree. I won't have done too much work with patents by this August but would like to work on patent litigation in Chicago. What kind of a chance would I have at PLIP? Does it hurt me that the only tie that I have to Chicago is my law school?

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:37 pm

Yes, I meant Loyola's Patent Law Interview Program. To give a ballpark answer to your question, I'll need at least a little more info. In no particular order:

1. Did your SA result in an offer?
2. Do you have ties to your new target locale?
3. Is your new target locale a major market?

Anonymous User wrote:I guess this is dumb but just to confirm, by PLIP do you mean patent law interview program? And if so, what are chances like for someone who has done a summer internship in BL in a city and wants to switch locale for post-3L hiring?

I'm currently top third at a T14 with a patent bar-eligible degree. I won't have done too much work with patents by this August but would like to work on patent litigation in Chicago. What kind of a chance would I have at PLIP? Does it hurt me that the only tie that I have to Chicago is my law school?

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:52 pm

LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Yes, I meant Loyola's Patent Law Interview Program. To give a ballpark answer to your question, I'll need at least a little more info. In no particular order:

1. Did your SA result in an offer?
2. Do you have ties to your new target locale?
3. Is your new target locale a major market?

Anonymous User wrote:I guess this is dumb but just to confirm, by PLIP do you mean patent law interview program? And if so, what are chances like for someone who has done a summer internship in BL in a city and wants to switch locale for post-3L hiring?

I'm currently top third at a T14 with a patent bar-eligible degree. I won't have done too much work with patents by this August but would like to work on patent litigation in Chicago. What kind of a chance would I have at PLIP? Does it hurt me that the only tie that I have to Chicago is my law school?


1. My SA will start this May but my firm almost always 100%s in offers so I guess unless I make a serious mistake I would have an offer. I'm not sure when I would know, though.

2. The only tie I have to my new target market (Chicago) is that I go to school there.

3. Since it's Chicago, I think yes.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:58 pm

Whoops, missed that second paragraph in my rush to crank out a response and get back to work. It sounds like you're in good shape. Do what you can to land an offer, and be sure to do things that demonstrate an interest in sticking around Chicago. For example, get involved with IPLAC. (Please note that that means more than just signing up and calling in for a few teleconferences.)

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LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Yes, I meant Loyola's Patent Law Interview Program. To give a ballpark answer to your question, I'll need at least a little more info. In no particular order:

1. Did your SA result in an offer?
2. Do you have ties to your new target locale?
3. Is your new target locale a major market?

Anonymous User wrote:I guess this is dumb but just to confirm, by PLIP do you mean patent law interview program? And if so, what are chances like for someone who has done a summer internship in BL in a city and wants to switch locale for post-3L hiring?

I'm currently top third at a T14 with a patent bar-eligible degree. I won't have done too much work with patents by this August but would like to work on patent litigation in Chicago. What kind of a chance would I have at PLIP? Does it hurt me that the only tie that I have to Chicago is my law school?


1. My SA will start this May but my firm almost always 100%s in offers so I guess unless I make a serious mistake I would have an offer. I'm not sure when I would know, though.

2. The only tie I have to my new target market (Chicago) is that I go to school there.

3. Since it's Chicago, I think yes.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:00 am

Also, what's your tech background?

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:04 am

LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Also, what's your tech background?


Thank you for the advice, I'll be sure to get involved with IPLAC. I have a B.S. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology, but that's it. Should I be concerned?

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:08 am

Happy to help. If you already have a foot in the biglaw door with that B.S., I think you're fine. And for the record, I have a Ph.D.

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LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Also, what's your tech background?


Thank you for the advice, I'll be sure to get involved with IPLAC. I have a B.S. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology, but that's it. Should I be concerned?

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:23 am

LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Happy to help. If you already have a foot in the biglaw door with that B.S., I think you're fine. And for the record, I have a Ph.D.

Anonymous User wrote:
LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Also, what's your tech background?


Thank you for the advice, I'll be sure to get involved with IPLAC. I have a B.S. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology, but that's it. Should I be concerned?


That's what I figured from your name, since I'm often told most attorneys need a Masters or PhD in Bio-related degrees. Apparently a B.S. alone doesn't cut it anymore.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:30 am

Seriously, don't sweat it—even IP boutiques seem to be having a hard time landing PhDs these days. You have a foot in the door and that's enough for now. I'll just recommend that you not aim for a career in prosecution, though you should still knock out the patent bar ASAP since it'll enhance your ability to land PTAB work.

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LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Happy to help. If you already have a foot in the biglaw door with that B.S., I think you're fine. And for the record, I have a Ph.D.

Anonymous User wrote:
LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Also, what's your tech background?


Thank you for the advice, I'll be sure to get involved with IPLAC. I have a B.S. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology, but that's it. Should I be concerned?


That's what I figured from your name, since I'm often told most attorneys need a Masters or PhD in Bio-related degrees. Apparently a B.S. alone doesn't cut it anymore.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:52 am

For patent litigators, how well do you have to have retained your science background? I'm going to be summering at a patent litigation firm and only have a bachelor's in a life science field. It was a while ago, and I can't recall much at all.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:00 am

That seems to be the case for many of the BS candidates, which is one reason why PhDs have a leg up. Since you have a foot in the door, you're fine. Even at boutiques, most life sciences litigators without PhDs seem have at best a general understanding of basic science. If a patent litigation firm hired you as a BS candidate, they're not looking for you to handle heavy lifting on the technical side of things.

Anonymous User wrote:For patent litigators, how well do you have to have retained your science background? I'm going to be summering at a patent litigation firm and only have a bachelor's in a life science field. It was a while ago, and I can't recall much at all.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:47 am

LifeSciencesAtty wrote:That seems to be the case for many of the BS candidates, which is one reason why PhDs have a leg up. Since you have a foot in the door, you're fine. Even at boutiques, most life sciences litigators without PhDs seem have at best a general understanding of basic science. If a patent litigation firm hired you as a BS candidate, they're not looking for you to handle heavy lifting on the technical side of things.

Anonymous User wrote:For patent litigators, how well do you have to have retained your science background? I'm going to be summering at a patent litigation firm and only have a bachelor's in a life science field. It was a while ago, and I can't recall much at all.


Would it be worth my while to audit ochem again at my current university during 3L, or even audit some engineering classes (the firm does pharma and hard-IP, so no real software work)? I don't foresee a need to brush up on physiology, for example, but obviously I have no experience.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:56 am

I think it's extremely unlikely that the merits of auditing ochem during 3L would outweigh its opportunity cost. Better to focus on the patent bar, making a name for yourself in bar associations, bolstering law school friendships, etc. I wouldn't waste much time studying, except maybe for IP elective courses. But YMMV.

Anonymous User wrote:Would it be worth my while to audit ochem again at my current university during 3L, or even audit some engineering classes (the firm does pharma and hard-IP, so no real software work)? I don't foresee a need to brush up on physiology, for example, but obviously I have no experience.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby LifeSciencesAtty » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:08 am

Also, if I were interviewing you and you mentioned that you've been auditing ochem, I wouldn't be impressed. I'd probably view it as a sign that you're motivated (which is good) but lacking good business sense and mentorship (which is bad). To the extent that work demands understanding of ochem, most firms will have a shallow bench of chem PhDs or technical specialists to handle it.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby elendinel » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:12 am

Anonymous User wrote:
LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Happy to help. If you already have a foot in the biglaw door with that B.S., I think you're fine. And for the record, I have a Ph.D.

Anonymous User wrote:
LifeSciencesAtty wrote:Also, what's your tech background?


Thank you for the advice, I'll be sure to get involved with IPLAC. I have a B.S. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology, but that's it. Should I be concerned?


That's what I figured from your name, since I'm often told most attorneys need a Masters or PhD in Bio-related degrees. Apparently a B.S. alone doesn't cut it anymore.


This is true for prosecution, but less true for lit/transactions. In the latter the lawyering skills generally are more important than the scientific knowledge. If deep technical knowledge is required for a pitch or trial, people'll generally want rely on the patent agents/tech advisors, or an expert, anyway, because they will cost less than you.

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Re: Biglaw PLIP interviewer taking Qs

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:58 pm

I have a BS in biochemistry and (somehow) was fortunate enough to swing a summer associate position at a boutique for the summer where I'll be doing patent pros on a lot of EE based technology. I'm excited about this because it will enable me to expand my knowledge into other technology areas, and because I went to a small undergrad that didn't offer an engineering program (if they had, I would have done that). How will this be viewed at PLIP, and is there any way I can tailor my resume to show that I'm purposefully expanding my skill set?



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