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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:12 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Haven't posted here yet, incoming SA at a firm in MI.

This Honigman raise has been an illusive topic since like September. I don't know what to think. It wasn't mentioned in their SA recruitment. If it was happening, I think it should of been because it would have helped H be a LOT more competitive compared to national firms in MI. Just my two cents FWIW.


I have a friend who is a third year there that told me that first years at Honigman is 150k now


What are third years making?


Based on their website, in 2015 this was the comp, including bonuses:

First full calendar year: $110,000 - $150,000
Second full calendar year: $120,000 - $180,000
Third full calendar year: $150,000 - $200,000
Fourth full calendar year: $150,000 - $240,000

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:59 am

Anonymous User wrote:Haven't posted here yet, incoming SA at a firm in MI.

This Honigman raise has been an illusive topic since like September. I don't know what to think. It wasn't mentioned in their SA recruitment. If it was happening, I think it should of been because it would have helped H be a LOT more competitive compared to national firms in MI. Just my two cents FWIW.


This is making me think it's more of "hide the ball". They were always big on promoting their pay and how you can make "partner" by year 4 at the firm. Now the firm is supposedly raising to 150k base but they haven't updated their site? it's uncharacteristic for how the firm has acted in the past. My guess is they raised the base to somewhere in the middle and then the 150 is the high end of their normal "range" which includes merit based bonus, etc. Not that everyone is motivated by money, but given the attrition they've seen over the year, as seen in this article, http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... -firm-life, my guess is there are some systemic issues w/in the firm that even a raise above their normal base can't fix.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:11 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Haven't posted here yet, incoming SA at a firm in MI.

This Honigman raise has been an illusive topic since like September. I don't know what to think. It wasn't mentioned in their SA recruitment. If it was happening, I think it should of been because it would have helped H be a LOT more competitive compared to national firms in MI. Just my two cents FWIW.


This is making me think it's more of "hide the ball". They were always big on promoting their pay and how you can make "partner" by year 4 at the firm. Now the firm is supposedly raising to 150k base but they haven't updated their site? it's uncharacteristic for how the firm has acted in the past. My guess is they raised the base to somewhere in the middle and then the 150 is the high end of their normal "range" which includes merit based bonus, etc. Not that everyone is motivated by money, but given the attrition they've seen over the year, as seen in this article, http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... -firm-life, my guess is there are some systemic issues w/in the firm that even a raise above their normal base can't fix.


They've given offers for 150. The raise happened after OCI.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:15 pm

bump

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:36 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Haven't posted here yet, incoming SA at a firm in MI.

This Honigman raise has been an illusive topic since like September. I don't know what to think. It wasn't mentioned in their SA recruitment. If it was happening, I think it should of been because it would have helped H be a LOT more competitive compared to national firms in MI. Just my two cents FWIW.


This is making me think it's more of "hide the ball". They were always big on promoting their pay and how you can make "partner" by year 4 at the firm. Now the firm is supposedly raising to 150k base but they haven't updated their site? it's uncharacteristic for how the firm has acted in the past. My guess is they raised the base to somewhere in the middle and then the 150 is the high end of their normal "range" which includes merit based bonus, etc. Not that everyone is motivated by money, but given the attrition they've seen over the year, as seen in this article, http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... -firm-life, my guess is there are some systemic issues w/in the firm that even a raise above their normal base can't fix.


They've given offers for 150. The raise happened after OCI.


Any details whether this is a "range" thing. Like are they offering Wayne grads 110k, HYS (and probably M) grads 150k, and like a ND grad 130k or something? Or is it 150k for corp and maybe like 110k for Labor/Emp?

If this is the case, that'd be pretty interesting managerial-wise, but probably would start conflicts between associates.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:38 pm

Any current associates have any information on firms other than Honigman?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Haven't posted here yet, incoming SA at a firm in MI.

This Honigman raise has been an illusive topic since like September. I don't know what to think. It wasn't mentioned in their SA recruitment. If it was happening, I think it should of been because it would have helped H be a LOT more competitive compared to national firms in MI. Just my two cents FWIW.


This is making me think it's more of "hide the ball". They were always big on promoting their pay and how you can make "partner" by year 4 at the firm. Now the firm is supposedly raising to 150k base but they haven't updated their site? it's uncharacteristic for how the firm has acted in the past. My guess is they raised the base to somewhere in the middle and then the 150 is the high end of their normal "range" which includes merit based bonus, etc. Not that everyone is motivated by money, but given the attrition they've seen over the year, as seen in this article, http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... -firm-life, my guess is there are some systemic issues w/in the firm that even a raise above their normal base can't fix.


They've given offers for 150. The raise happened after OCI.


Any details whether this is a "range" thing. Like are they offering Wayne grads 110k, HYS (and probably M) grads 150k, and like a ND grad 130k or something? Or is it 150k for corp and maybe like 110k for Labor/Emp?

If this is the case, that'd be pretty interesting managerial-wise, but probably would start conflicts between associates.


The base is 150k for all associates. The reason why there is a range on the website is because of bonuses. The reason why the range in this case starts at 110 is because for the class of 2015, the starting base salary was 110k. For the associate class of 2016, the starting base salary was 125k.
After the Cravath raises, Honigman raised to 150k for class of 2017.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:06 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Haven't posted here yet, incoming SA at a firm in MI.

This Honigman raise has been an illusive topic since like September. I don't know what to think. It wasn't mentioned in their SA recruitment. If it was happening, I think it should of been because it would have helped H be a LOT more competitive compared to national firms in MI. Just my two cents FWIW.


This is making me think it's more of "hide the ball". They were always big on promoting their pay and how you can make "partner" by year 4 at the firm. Now the firm is supposedly raising to 150k base but they haven't updated their site? it's uncharacteristic for how the firm has acted in the past. My guess is they raised the base to somewhere in the middle and then the 150 is the high end of their normal "range" which includes merit based bonus, etc. Not that everyone is motivated by money, but given the attrition they've seen over the year, as seen in this article, http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... -firm-life, my guess is there are some systemic issues w/in the firm that even a raise above their normal base can't fix.


They've given offers for 150. The raise happened after OCI.


Any details whether this is a "range" thing. Like are they offering Wayne grads 110k, HYS (and probably M) grads 150k, and like a ND grad 130k or something? Or is it 150k for corp and maybe like 110k for Labor/Emp?

If this is the case, that'd be pretty interesting managerial-wise, but probably would start conflicts between associates.


The base is 150k for all associates. The reason why there is a range on the website is because of bonuses. The reason why the range in this case starts at 110 is because for the class of 2015, the starting base salary was 110k. For the associate class of 2016, the starting base salary was 125k.
After the Cravath raises, Honigman raised to 150k for class of 2017.


Cool. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:23 pm

Anyone know much about Jones Day Detroit? NALP says starting 160k. How are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years paid? Comparable to 20 under market, or compressed?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know much about Jones Day Detroit? NALP says starting 160k. How are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years paid? Comparable to 20 under market, or compressed?


This is going to be hard to figure out. JD Detroit is a small JD office and they are Blackbox. Maybe the pay rate is comparable to Cleveland, but who knows?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:57 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know much about Jones Day Detroit? NALP says starting 160k. How are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years paid? Comparable to 20 under market, or compressed?


This is going to be hard to figure out. JD Detroit is a small JD office and they are Blackbox. Maybe the pay rate is comparable to Cleveland, but who knows?


Ok, so then what are salaries like at JD Cleveland after your first year?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:14 pm

For anyone who still had doubts about the Honigman raise, it's now reflected on their website: http://www.honigman.com/careers-student ... efits.html


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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:29 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know much about Jones Day Detroit? NALP says starting 160k. How are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years paid? Comparable to 20 under market, or compressed?


This is going to be hard to figure out. JD Detroit is a small JD office and they are Blackbox. Maybe the pay rate is comparable to Cleveland, but who knows?


Ok, so then what are salaries like at JD Cleveland after your first year?


I couldn't find anything after a brief search. I don't know and I feel awkward asking people I know there. Here's an ATL article on some of their compensation scales. http://abovethelaw.com/2016/06/the-jig- ... black-box/

Also cool news about Honigman. Hopefully the other firms in MI open up their wallets for the poor, little associates :).

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:43 pm

Bump.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Bump.


Why are you bumping this? Haven't the salaries for all the firms in question been provided? Is there one you are specifically interested in that wasn't addressed?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:19 pm

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Why are you bumping this? Haven't the salaries for all the firms in question been provided? Is there one you are specifically interested in that wasn't addressed?


Because the numbers provided in the second post are from what looks like fall 2015 or earlier so there is a bunch of missing data since some firms reportedly moved in response to Cravath. If you notice, the OP specifically notes that there are post movement numbers.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For anyone who still had doubts about the Honigman raise, it's now reflected on their website: http://www.honigman.com/careers-student ... efits.html


damn that's one hell of a compression in salary/bonus range relative to the pre-raise period but I guess the raise in base is nice.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:55 am

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Anonymous User wrote:For anyone who still had doubts about the Honigman raise, it's now reflected on their website: http://www.honigman.com/careers-student ... efits.html


damn that's one hell of a compression in salary/bonus range relative to the pre-raise period but I guess the raise in base is nice.

Yeah the difference in base/bonus goes from being $40k to being $100k vs Chicago or New York. I wonder if those numbers will all go up by $25k though since the base went up and those are 2016 numbers when base was $125k.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:24 pm

Does anyone have info on Detroit firm benefits?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:26 am

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone have info on Detroit firm benefits?


Honigman lays theirs out on their website, I think many of the others do as well. Foley and Jones day will be the same as they do nation wide. I don't know of any that match 401k, but I could be wrong. Healthcare is okay, but could be better.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:32 am

Miller Canfield matches

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

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Anonymous User wrote:Miller Canfield matches


Up to what? I've seen some firms say they match up to 4%, but that it's discretionary.

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

Postby kellyfrost » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:31 am

Is the strip club scene in Detroit as great as everyone says that it is?

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Re: Associate Salaries in Detroit

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kellyfrost wrote:Is the strip club scene in Detroit as great as everyone says that it is?

Not since the booby trap burned down.




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